[Blindmath] computer code

Sun Sep 25 15:49:16 UTC 2016

Sabra,
  I said that I'm working with python only to underline that it is
first-hand experience. My apologies if I've been unclear on the
matter.
  On the subject, I was afraid from python in the beginning, but it is
only one setting that have to be changed in NVDA/JAWS and it is quite
easy afterward.
Regards,
Dzhovani

On 9/24/16, Sabra Ewing via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Yes, on that website called code.org,. They have lessons and the quorum
> programming language. I put a link there
> https://www.quorumlanguage.com/documents/hourofcode/part1.php
>
> Sabra Ewing
>
>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 9:50 AM, Greg Aikens via Blindmath
>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I haven't been following this thread completely, so my apologies if this
>> suggestion has already been made. Look for information on the quorum
>> programming language. There are lots of tutorials that are accessible,
>> including and "hour of code" that is perfect for beginner students.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 6:46 AM, Dzhovani Chemishanov via Blindmath
>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I'm working in a software company using python. It is completely
>>> usable and indentation actually is much better than getting lost in
>>> curly braces. After all, in nine out of ten cases, putting braces just
>>> shows where indentation changes.
>>> Both JAWS and NVDA have extensive configurations for announcing
>>> indentation and they could be active only in certain editors or IDE-s.
>>> Also, if someone has problems with the four spaces, it is pretty
>>> easy to convert the indentation to tabs and to set the tabs to a
>>> preferred width. In some ide-s, this is part of the standard editing
>>> or view options.
>>> Regards,
>>> Dzhovani
>>>
>>>> On 9/24/16, Brandon Keith Biggs via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> This is not correct, python is completely usable for blind people, you
>>>> just
>>>> need to set your screen reader to speak tabs and set your tab key to do
>>>> tabs/4 spaces.
>>>> Then when you are in a text editor, and there is an indent, you will
>>>> hear
>>>> it like:
>>>>
>>>> def hello():
>>>> tab print("Hello world")
>>>>
>>>> EdSharp is the best text editor for screen readers that I know of.
>>>> thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Sabra Ewing via Blindmath <
>>>> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I tried it. The website is accessible, but the puzzles or not. Python
>>>>> is
>>>>> bad for someone with spatial difficulties because indentation is an
>>>>> actual
>>>>> part of the language instead of just a stylistic thing. There is a
>>>>> language
>>>>> called visual basic, which might be more of what you want. The
>>>>> environment
>>>>> does a lot of the work for you, and you only have to write some of the
>>>>> code. I don't know of any websites, but I think there are some apps for
>>>>> the
>>>>> iPhone that teach it. I can't remember what they are called though. If
>>>>> you
>>>>> can't find anything, another thing you could try is having code
>>>>> template
>>>>> for the student to fill-in. Maybe the website the instructor is using
>>>>> does
>>>>> have some accessible courses though. They have a link on there called
>>>>> student diversity, so it would be ironic if they supposedly care about
>>>>> that, but their stuff isn't accessible. I think you would have better
>>>>> luck
>>>>> with an Apple device though. I really wish I remembered what it was
>>>>> called,
>>>>> but there is this thing where you can use voiceover to move things
>>>>> around
>>>>> on the screen the same way they teach it on these coding websites.
>>>>> There
>>>>> is
>>>>> a computer science list like this one, so maybe they have more
>>>>> information
>>>>> there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sabra Ewing
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 23, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Bill Dengler via Blindmath <
>>>>>> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Personally, I love the books available on Green Tea press <
>>>>> http://greenteapress.com <http://greenteapress.com/>>.
>>>>>> Think Python is great and teaches lots of core programming concepts.
>>>>>> The
>>>>> problems are challenging, but if your student gives them their best
>>>>> effort
>>>>> and compares their solutions to the author-provided ones, they will
>>>>> definitely become a better programmer.
>>>>>> The Turtle World section is (obviously) inaccessible; if your student
>>>>> has no vision, they will either need to skip that section, or (ideally)
>>>>> have a sighted person describe what’s happening when they run their
>>>>> programs.
>>>>>> The GUI programming section is also inaccessible, since it uses the
>>>>> Tkinter framework.
>>>>>> The books are available in LaTeX and HTML. The HTML version is
>>>>>> probably
>>>>> your best bet, but you could probably convert the LaTeX version to
>>>>> Braille
>>>>> if your student prefers that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>> On Sep 23, 2016, at 9:39 PM, Lewicki, Maureen via Blindmath <
>>>>> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks! Yes bookshare is great but I was hoping to find websites that
>>>>> are accessible that a student could use to learn some things such as
>>>>> are
>>>>> presented on code.org<http://code.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maureen Murphy Lewicki
>>>>>>> Teacher of the Visually Impaired
>>>>>>> Bethlehem Central Schools
>>>>>>> 700 Delaware Avenue<x-apple-data-detectors://1/0>
>>>>>>> Delmar, NY 12054<x-apple-data-detectors://1/0>
>>>>>>> http://bcsd.k12.ny.us/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 23, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Smith, Andrew via Blindmath <
>>>>> blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bookshare is indeed a fantastic resource.  Many books on many
>>>>>>> different languages.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/23/16, Martin, Vincent F via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org
>>>>> <mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I have been using the programming books on Bookshare for years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Louis
>>>>>>> Maher via Blindmath
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 3:40 PM
>>>>>>> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
>>>>>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>>
>>>>>>> Cc: Louis Maher <ljmaher at swbell.net<mailto:ljmaher at swbell.net>>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] computer code
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maureen,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> An excellent source is bookshare.org<http://bookshare.org>.  Search
>>>>> for the computer language you
>>>>>>> want to learn.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Louis Maher
>>>>>>> Phone: 713-444-7838
>>>>>>> E-mail: ljmaher at swbell.net<mailto:ljmaher at swbell.net>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Lewicki,
>>>>>>> Maureen via Blindmath
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 2:02 PM
>>>>>>> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
>>>>>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>>
>>>>>>> Cc: Lewicki, Maureen <MLewicki at bcsd.neric.org<mailto:
>>>>> MLewicki at bcsd.neric.org>>
>>>>>>> Subject: [Blindmath] computer code
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can anyone direct me to resources for blind students who want to
>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>> computer code please? A teacher uses Code.org<http://Code.org>. Is it
>>>>> accessible? Can you
>>>>>>> direct me to things and websites that are please?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maureen Murphy Lewicki
>>>>>>> Teacher of the Visually Impaired
>>>>>>> Bethlehem Central School District
>>>>>>> Bethlehem High School
>>>>>>> 700 Delaware Ave
>>>>>>> Delmar, NY 12054
>>>>>>> http://www.bethlehemschools.org<http://www.bethlehemschools.org/>
>>>>>>> Keep on beginning and failing. Each time you fail, start all over
>>>>> again, and
>>>>>>> you will grow stronger until you have accomplished a purpose - not
>>>>>>> the
>>>>> one
>>>>>>> you began with perhaps, but one you'll be glad to remember. Anne
>>>>> Sullivan
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