[BlindMath] Transitioning from Completely Visual Math to Less Visual Math

Mon Apr 3 20:17:29 UTC 2017

You can't get one. Therefore, useless.

On 4/3/17, Łukasz Grabowski via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> This isn't really a braille display, is it? It looks more like for
> visualizing pictures, graphs, maps, etc. Also the wepbage seems not to
> have been updated for a bit of time, so I'm not sure if the project
> isn't dead (french wikipedia mentions that "it is planned to be
> commercialized in 2011").
>
> Lukasz
>
>
> On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 20:55:31 +0200
> Niels Luithardt via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> here is a Link to "Hyperbraille":
>>
>> http://www.hyperbraille.de/?lang=en
>>
>> I hope it helps
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Niels
>>
>> 2017-04-03 18:13 GMT+02:00, White, Jason J via BlindMath
>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>:
>> > So far as I know, braille displays with multiple lines of text do
>> > not exist (except perhaps as research prototypes). As I recall,
>> > Pappenmeier used to have (and perhaps still sell) displays with
>> > vertical components offering a small number of cells that can serve
>> > to provide navigation support, but they're not full lines of text
>> > that can be used for reading.
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> >> Derek Scott Riemer via BlindMath
>> >> Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 12:08 PM
>> >> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> >> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Cc: Derek Scott Riemer <Derek.Riemer at colorado.edu>; John Gardner
>> >> <gardnerj at oregonstate.edu>
>> >> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Transitioning from Completely Visual Math
>> >> to Less
>> >> Visual Math
>> >>
>> >> No screen reader on the market knows how to work with multiple line
>> >> braille
>> >> displays as of this time.
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 7:59 PM, John Gardner via BlindMath <
>> >> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Hi, I am unaware of any braille displays with more than one
>> >> > line. Do you have references? One word of caution. Having
>> >> > multiple lines is useful only if the software displays
>> >> > information the way it needs to be displayed semantically. This
>> >> > is not at all automatic, so even if you spent a lot of money to
>> >> > purchase a multiple-line display, it could be not very useful if
>> >> > the lines are not properly aligned. I don't even know how to ask
>> >> > the right questions to find out.
>> >> >
>> >> > John
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> >> > Of Nicholas J via BlindMath
>> >> > Sent: Sunday, April 2, 2017 12:33 PM
>> >> > To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
>> >> > Cc: Nicholas J <314nick15 at gmail.com>
>> >> > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Transitioning from Completely Visual
>> >> > Math to Less Visual Math
>> >> >
>> >> > Thank you to everyone for all the help. I was looking at
>> >> > different braille displays and saw some that are one, two,
>> >> > three, or four lines. How many lines would be the best for
>> >> > statistics? I was told before that one line may not be enough
>> >> > for proofs or long problems that would need different parts to
>> >> > be seen at once. I wasn't sure if even two, three, or four is
>> >> > enough, but it seems like there is the choice for only one
>> >> > through four lines. How good will I need to be in braille before
>> >> > I can
>> >> use it for statistics?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thank you,
>> >> > Nicholas
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 11:21 PM, Nicholas J
>> >> > <314nick15 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > Hello,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I’m considering doing a Master’s in statistics, but I do not
>> >> > > want to go back to the technology that I used before. I used a
>> >> > > cctv to view the board and zoomtext as a screen magnifier. All
>> >> > > the cctvs I have used have still left me not able to see what
>> >> > > was happening in most of my classes before and zoomtext made
>> >> > > things slower for me because of so much magnification. Right
>> >> > > now I am transitioning to using Jaws for the computer, but I
>> >> > > am not sure what to do for things like the boards in classes,
>> >> > > writing, and things like that. I don’t write notes because I
>> >> > > am slow at it since I have to write big and I usually still
>> >> > > can’t understand what I wrote because of how quickly I wrote
>> >> > > it and how unreadable it is. I have been looking at doing
>> >> > > things in braille, but am not sure if that is the best way to
>> >> > > go. I thought it might take a lot of time also to learn it. I
>> >> > > still think it may be helpful in some situations (maybe
>> >> > > graphics which I could almost never discern correctly the more
>> >> > > complicated they got). I have been reading through all the
>> >> > > posts here about latex and having Jaws read them and other
>> >> > > kinds of technologies, but I am not sure what kinds of
>> >> > > technology are best for the transition of doing everything
>> >> > > visually to doing things less visually. My vision has always
>> >> > > stayed the same, but the field I am
>> >> > working in is statistics and it gets very small and specific for
>> >> > notation and everything.
>> >> > > Main Question: What technology and how can I do math more
>> >> > > electronically and less visually? I am learning Jaws, braille,
>> >> > > and
>> >> > Kurzweil.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Thank you,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Nicholas
>> >> > >
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