[BlindMath] Transitioning from Completely Visual Math to Less Visual Math

Mon Apr 3 20:14:12 UTC 2017

This isn't really a braille display, is it? It looks more like for
visualizing pictures, graphs, maps, etc. Also the wepbage seems not to
have been updated for a bit of time, so I'm not sure if the project
isn't dead (french wikipedia mentions that "it is planned to be
commercialized in 2011").

Lukasz

On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 20:55:31 +0200
Niels Luithardt via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> here is a Link to "Hyperbraille":
> 
> http://www.hyperbraille.de/?lang=en
> 
> I hope it helps
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Niels
> 
> 2017-04-03 18:13 GMT+02:00, White, Jason J via BlindMath
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>:
> > So far as I know, braille displays with multiple lines of text do
> > not exist (except perhaps as research prototypes). As I recall,
> > Pappenmeier used to have (and perhaps still sell) displays with
> > vertical components offering a small number of cells that can serve
> > to provide navigation support, but they're not full lines of text
> > that can be used for reading. 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >> Derek Scott Riemer via BlindMath
> >> Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 12:08 PM
> >> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> >> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> >> Cc: Derek Scott Riemer <Derek.Riemer at colorado.edu>; John Gardner
> >> <gardnerj at oregonstate.edu>
> >> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Transitioning from Completely Visual Math
> >> to Less
> >> Visual Math
> >>
> >> No screen reader on the market knows how to work with multiple line
> >> braille
> >> displays as of this time.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 7:59 PM, John Gardner via BlindMath <  
> >> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:  
> >>  
> >> > Hi, I am unaware of any braille displays with more than one
> >> > line. Do you have references? One word of caution. Having
> >> > multiple lines is useful only if the software displays
> >> > information the way it needs to be displayed semantically. This
> >> > is not at all automatic, so even if you spent a lot of money to
> >> > purchase a multiple-line display, it could be not very useful if
> >> > the lines are not properly aligned. I don't even know how to ask
> >> > the right questions to find out.
> >> >
> >> > John
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> >> > Of Nicholas J via BlindMath
> >> > Sent: Sunday, April 2, 2017 12:33 PM
> >> > To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> >> > Cc: Nicholas J <314nick15 at gmail.com>
> >> > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Transitioning from Completely Visual
> >> > Math to Less Visual Math
> >> >
> >> > Thank you to everyone for all the help. I was looking at
> >> > different braille displays and saw some that are one, two,
> >> > three, or four lines. How many lines would be the best for
> >> > statistics? I was told before that one line may not be enough
> >> > for proofs or long problems that would need different parts to
> >> > be seen at once. I wasn't sure if even two, three, or four is
> >> > enough, but it seems like there is the choice for only one
> >> > through four lines. How good will I need to be in braille before
> >> > I can  
> >> use it for statistics?  
> >> >
> >> > Thank you,
> >> > Nicholas
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 11:21 PM, Nicholas J
> >> > <314nick15 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >  
> >> > > Hello,
> >> > >
> >> > > I’m considering doing a Master’s in statistics, but I do not
> >> > > want to go back to the technology that I used before. I used a
> >> > > cctv to view the board and zoomtext as a screen magnifier. All
> >> > > the cctvs I have used have still left me not able to see what
> >> > > was happening in most of my classes before and zoomtext made
> >> > > things slower for me because of so much magnification. Right
> >> > > now I am transitioning to using Jaws for the computer, but I
> >> > > am not sure what to do for things like the boards in classes,
> >> > > writing, and things like that. I don’t write notes because I
> >> > > am slow at it since I have to write big and I usually still
> >> > > can’t understand what I wrote because of how quickly I wrote
> >> > > it and how unreadable it is. I have been looking at doing
> >> > > things in braille, but am not sure if that is the best way to
> >> > > go. I thought it might take a lot of time also to learn it. I
> >> > > still think it may be helpful in some situations (maybe
> >> > > graphics which I could almost never discern correctly the more
> >> > > complicated they got). I have been reading through all the
> >> > > posts here about latex and having Jaws read them and other
> >> > > kinds of technologies, but I am not sure what kinds of
> >> > > technology are best for the transition of doing everything
> >> > > visually to doing things less visually. My vision has always
> >> > > stayed the same, but the field I am  
> >> > working in is statistics and it gets very small and specific for
> >> > notation and everything.  
> >> > > Main Question: What technology and how can I do math more
> >> > > electronically and less visually? I am learning Jaws, braille,
> >> > > and  
> >> > Kurzweil.  
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Thank you,
> >> > >
> >> > > Nicholas
> >> > >  
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