[BlindMath] BlindMath Digest, Vol 129, Issue 19

Sat Apr 29 12:53:54 UTC 2017

saaqib,

yes, their is an open braille translation software for jaws,

Liblouis is used for both jaws and NVDA to translate braille to a
braille display, E.G. The Focus 40 braille display uses liblouis 3.1.3
as far as I know. their is a liblouis mailing list, the link is:

 here is the website for you to subscribe to liblouis:
http://www.freelists.org/list/liblouis-liblouisxml
 Enter your email address and press the Go button. You should receive
an email with more information once you're subscribed. It will mean
that you will receive emails from other subscribers to the mailing
list, which includes the liblouis developers, and you can post your
own email to everyone.

just enter your email address and hhit the go button and then you can
also post your own email to everyone.
Hope This Helps,
Regards,
Tolga.

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>    1. SAT Screen Reader Practice Tests (Mary Woodyard)
>    2. Re: Math Accessibility Question (aswans15)
>    3. Any open source braille editor / translators supported by
>       JAWS or NVDA? (Saaqib Mahmuud)
>    4. Re: Any open source braille editor / translators supported by
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 09:03:32 -0400
> From: "Mary Woodyard" <marywoodyard at comcast.net>
> To: <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [BlindMath] SAT Screen Reader Practice Tests
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> This subject has been discussed in great depth on the Parents of Visually
> Impaired Facebook Page this month so the concensus I have read is that
> there
> are screen reader accessible practice tests for the main SAT and here is
> the
> link.
> https://collegereadiness.collegeboard.org/sat/practice/full-length-practice-
> test-assistive-technology
>
> FYI - my son graduated in 2015 and this was not available in 2015.  I
> believe that although you can use a screen reader on the main SAT, at this
> time they do not have that option for the subjects tests - you will need to
> use a human reader or Braille.  Parents were frustrated that their students
> could use a screen reader for the main SAT but not the subject tests.  I am
> sure that this should be coming soon though.  I just googled the
> announcements and found that the screen reader version of SAT was first
> available in March 2016.  So if you want screen reader practice tests for
> the main SAT the link is above - if for the subject tests I don't think
> they
> are available yet.  Call College Board or ask your testing coordinator to
> be
> sure.
>
> Here is the announcement:  New for 2015-16
>
> Begining with the October PSAT/NMSQT and March SAT, two new test formats
> will be available for students with disabilities that impact reading or
> seeing:
>
>     MP3 audio test format: Audio version of test, delivered on a flash
> drive. Allows student with reading or visual impairments to listen to the
> test. Get practice tests by downloading [Opens in New Window]redesigned SAT
> MP3 files or [Opens in New Window]PSAT 10 MP3 files.
>     Assistive technology-compatible test format: Digital test form,
> delivered on a flash drive, for use with screen readers and other assistive
> technology. Practice with assistive technology: Get [Opens in New
> Window]redesigned SAT practice tests in optimized Microsoft Word documents
> or [Opens in New Window]PSAT 10 practice tests in optimized Microsoft Word
> documents.
>
> Please note that the cassette test form will no longer be available once
> the
> new formats are instituted. Students who are currently approved for
> cassette
> will be provided an MP3 audio test form
>
> By the way, the spelling error on beginning came from the College Board
> website - I did not type it.
>
> Mary
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 20:12:35 -0400
> From: "Aqil Sajjad" <aqilsajjad at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Math" <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [BlindMath] SAT prep material?
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> Is there any screen reader accessible material on preparing for the SAT
> Math
> and physics tests?
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 20:40:31 -0400
> From: Taylor Arndt <taylorarndt99 at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> 	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] SAT prep material?
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> Are you talking about the SAT subject test or are you talking about the
> regular SAT test?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 27, 2017, at 8:12 PM, Aqil Sajjad via BlindMath
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>> Is there any screen reader accessible material on preparing for the SAT
> Math and physics tests?
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> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 21:05:35 -0400
> From: "Aqil Sajjad" <aqilsajjad at gmail.com>
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> The subject tests.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: "Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics"
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>> Are you talking about the SAT subject test or are you talking about the
>> regular SAT test?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Apr 27, 2017, at 8:12 PM, Aqil Sajjad via BlindMath
>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>>> Is there any screen reader accessible material on preparing for the SAT
>>> Math and physics tests?
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 21:58:34 -0400
> From: Taylor Arndt <taylorarndt99 at gmail.com>
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> Have you tried khan Academy?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 27, 2017, at 9:05 PM, Aqil Sajjad via BlindMath
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> The subject tests.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Taylor Arndt via BlindMath"
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
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>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 8:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] SAT prep material?
>>
>>
>>> Are you talking about the SAT subject test or are you talking about the
> regular SAT test?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Apr 27, 2017, at 8:12 PM, Aqil Sajjad via BlindMath
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Is there any screen reader accessible material on preparing for the SAT
> Math and physics tests?
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 17:32:34 +0000
> From: aswans15 <aswans15 at msudenver.edu>
> To: "steve.noble at louisville.edu" <steve.noble at louisville.edu>, "Blind
> 	Math	list for those interested in mathematics" <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Math Accessibility Question
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> Hello All,
>
> I'm having some difficulty with my MathType files and reading them on a
> BrailleNote. My goal is to edit a statistics book in math type, export it as
> MathML and have it read in Nemeth on a BrailleNote Apex. If that is
> possible.
>
> When I export the file the BrailleNote cannot see the file. When I turn the
> BrailleNote into a braille display via usb connection/braille not drivers on
> the pc, I can see the file but the screen reader has a hard time reading
> recognizing the math.
>
> I've used JAWS 18 thus far and tested out chrome, IE, firefox. I've tried it
> with these file types: html+MathJax, xhtml+MathJax, xhtml+MathML, Mathplayer
> with IE behavior, and a UMSS xhtml doc. All of which are the outputs on
> MathType for MathPage. I have MathPlayer installed.
>
> Am I doing something wrong or missing an element?
>
> Cheers,
> Andy
>
>
> Andrew S.J. Swanson
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: steve.noble at louisville.edu [mailto:steve.noble at louisville.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 11:26 AM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
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> Cc: aswans15 <aswans15 at msudenver.edu>
> Subject: RE: [BlindMath] Math Accessibility Question
>
> Yes...if you are using JAWS, or NVDA plus MathPlayer, or Voiceover, all of
> these will render math braille in the display. Here are a few links for
> background:
> http://www.perkinselearning.org/technology/digital-transitions/jaws-introduces-mathml-braille-output
> http://msf.mathmlcloud.org/assistive_technologies/2
> https://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathplayer/manual.htm
> http://msf.mathmlcloud.org/affordances/12
>
> Hope that helps.
>
>
>
> --Steve Noble
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> ________________________________________
> From: BlindMath [blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of aswans15 via
> BlindMath [blindmath at nfbnet.org]
> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 12:34 PM
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> Cc: aswans15
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Math Accessibility Question
>
> Hello All,
>
> I had a follow up question to some of the Math format questions
> circulating.
>
> Is there a math format such as MathJax, MathML that is accessible with a
> braille display? That is, will one of these languages appear as Nemeth on a
> braille display, or like html via MathType, will it only read the verbal
> description of the math and place it into literary braille?
>
> Regards,
> Andy
>
>
> Andrew S.J. Swanson
> Accessibility Technology Specialist
> Access Center
> Plaza 122
> Metropolitan State University of Denver
> aswans15 at msudenver.edu
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Todd
> Schwanke via BlindMath
> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 9:10 AM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
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> Cc: Todd Schwanke <todd.schwanke at wisc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Math Accessibility Question
>
> Joy:
>
> Good morning.
>
> Can you see if you can get some more info to post?
> * Do they already have the exam set up to be web based?  Not sure if it is
> paper or web-based by default -
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.math.montana.edu_undergrad_mplex.html&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=nTRX7XrqImKKDoM-t2Gc4Uda1mtYltIBrvw11wEijzQ&s=85NuJFxAo_G1APfIT4rMT89JPW3WWFGXQ6vZFLocTuY&e=
> *  You mentioned that "The school ordered a program called Math Jax".
> MathJax is something that generally needs to be added on the server side
> code and doesn't need to be ordered since it is open source.  Has MathJax
> already been implemented in MPlex?  If so, are they using a current version
> or linking to the central repository for the latest version?
>
> Note that MathJax is a Javascript library and it is open source... and it is
> different than Java.
>
> What is the student's preferred output?  Audio or Braille?  MathJax
> currently supports audio output, but not Braille quite yet.
>
> This slide set provides some good background.
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mathjax.github.io_MathJax-2Da11y_slides_ahg16.pdf&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=nTRX7XrqImKKDoM-t2Gc4Uda1mtYltIBrvw11wEijzQ&s=FLV9piIBbshNr2L_fy_Nx1M3i8-YA79C6KYGpP5lOMg&e=
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_mathjax_MathJax-2Da11y&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=nTRX7XrqImKKDoM-t2Gc4Uda1mtYltIBrvw11wEijzQ&s=2Cp0yt7nr_7C8klCAD7VB8MUAWfFeFUc1OybRL1VLlU&e=
>
> How the student would provide the answers to the questions may also need to
> be considered, depending on the interface for the exam.
>
> Todd Schwanke
> McBurney Disability Resource Center
> Division of Student Life, UW-Madison
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bruce&Joy
> Breslauer via BlindMath
> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 12:21 AM
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Bruce&Joy Breslauer <breslauerj at gmail.com>
> Subject: [BlindMath] Math Accessibility Question
>
> Hi.
>
>
>
> I am new to the list.
>
>
>
> I am the President of the NFB of Montana, and I was contacted last week by
> the Disabled Student Services manager at one of our universities regarding a
> blind student.  He is supposed to take the MPlex math test in order to
> determine which math class to enroll in.  The school ordered a program
> called Math Jax which is supposed to be compatible with JAWS, but the
> student says he can't get it to work for him.  The person who called me
> doesn't know if the student needs a Braille display to do the equations on
> or what.  I don't know if this is a technology compatibility question or a
> student education on how to use the software question.  I had a friend look
> up Math Jax on the web and they have a demo page, but JAWS wouldn't read the
> equation.  We didn't know if that was because the demo isn't set up with the
> accessibility features enabled, or what the reason was.
>
>
>
> The student needs a way to decipher the equations, to do them, and to show
> his work so that they know whether or not he does them correctly.  I had a
> computer programmer friend of mine look up Math Jax, and it has a Java
> component which seems to interfere with the interaction between it and
> JAWS.
> I would like to help this student.  Any ideas would be appreciated.
> Thanks.
> Does anyone know of another program that might work better with MPlex, or
> what program he might use successfully at the university?
>
>
>
> Joy Breslauer, President
>
> National Federation of the Blind of Montana
>
>
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> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 18:14:44 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Saaqib Mahmuud <saaqib1978 at yahoo.co.in>
> To: "blindmath at nfbnet.org" <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [BlindMath] Any open source braille editor / translators
> 	supported by JAWS or NVDA?
> Message-ID: <422363475.12053002.1493403284170 at mail.yahoo.com>
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> Hello to everyone at the BlindMath forum!
>
> I have the following query:
>
> Is there any open source program --- which either of JAWS and NVDA supports
> --- for creating and editing braille documents and saving those as BRF
> files?
>
> In particular, have there been any JAWS (or NVDA) scripting for a program
> called Braille Zephyr? Can a totally blind person rely on JAWS or NVDA for
> accurately composing braille documents in Braille Zephyr?
>
> I realise that this is not the right forum for these questions, but I'm not
> aware of any other forum where such questions rightly belong!
>
> Hoping for the valuable input from the BlindMath community.
>
> Regards.
>
> Sincerely,
> Saaqib MahmoodSkype ID; saaqib.mahmood
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 18:51:29 +0000
> From: Larry Skutchan <lskutchan at aph.org>
> To: Saaqib Mahmuud <saaqib1978 at yahoo.co.in>, "Blind Math list for
> 	those	interested in mathematics" <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Any open source braille editor / translators
> 	supported by JAWS or NVDA?
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> That program should work fine with both JAWS and NVDA without any scripts at
> all.
> Also check out brailleblaster.org
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Saaqib
> Mahmuud via BlindMath
> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 2:15 PM
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Saaqib Mahmuud <saaqib1978 at yahoo.co.in>
> Subject: [BlindMath] Any open source braille editor / translators supported
> by JAWS or NVDA?
>
> Hello to everyone at the BlindMath forum!
>
> I have the following query:
>
> Is there any open source program --- which either of JAWS and NVDA supports
> --- for creating and editing braille documents and saving those as BRF
> files?
>
> In particular, have there been any JAWS (or NVDA) scripting for a program
> called Braille Zephyr? Can a totally blind person rely on JAWS or NVDA for
> accurately composing braille documents in Braille Zephyr?
>
> I realise that this is not the right forum for these questions, but I'm not
> aware of any other forum where such questions rightly belong!
>
> Hoping for the valuable input from the BlindMath community.
>
> Regards.
>
> Sincerely,
> Saaqib MahmoodSkype ID; saaqib.mahmood
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