[Blindmath] Octave questions.

Fri Feb 3 15:09:19 UTC 2017

    I found an .html version of the Octave manual on the web . 
Thanks.---Doug

-----Original Message----- 
From: Derek Scott Riemer via Blindmath
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 12:16 PM
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
Cc: Derek Scott Riemer
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Accessible Matlab

I used octave on windows with linear algebra to check my work. If you need
to read and remember matrices, take a look at some work I did for my own
survival purposes and made it work better with NVDA. This only works for
now with NVDA, because I need a good and real scripting system for the
screen reader to make it happen. I think it may be possible with window
eyes, but can't persue it without funding since it's just a personal
project at this stage.
https://github.com/derekriemer/latex-access-matrix

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:28 AM, Lucas Nadolskis via Blindmath <
blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hello all.
> My name is Lucas and this is my first message to this list since I joined
> it yesterday. I am from Brazil, currently living in Minneapolis.
>
> Doug I am not sure what your question is, but regarding accessibility with
> matlab I was really concerned with this a couple of weeks ago since I am
> taking a linear algebra course. I started using matlab via terminal 
> command
> line on the mac and it works really well.
> All the functions and everything that I encountered since now works in the
> command line as it would on the interface of matlab.
>
> I hope that this helps.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Best regards.
>
> Lucas Nadolskis.
>
> > On Feb 1, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Doug and Molly Miron via Blindmath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> >       Hi Santi,
> >
> > I  only found out about thismailing list a week ago.  Unfortunately it's
> unknown to many accessibility people at the various companies and even MN
> State  Services for the Blind.  What version of Mac are you using?  Is
> access through a real keyboard rather than a touch screen?  I suspected
> that an Apple platform with VoiceOver might work, but neither the Apple
> people nor the Matlab people could tell me.  I think I will try Octave
> since I've already invested in a high-end HP Windows 10 system.  I'll keep
> your route in mind though.  Thanks.
> >
> > Regards to all,
> > Doug Miron
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Santiago Velasquez via Blindmath
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 2:28 AM
> > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > Cc: Santiago Velasquez
> > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Accessible Matlab
> >
> > Hi Doug, I hope all is well.
> >
> > I can tell you from experience that Matlab is accessible. However, I can
> only speak about its accessibility when used on a mac with Voice over. 
> With
> regards to its accessibility on Windows, and with the many screen readers
> that exist, I don’t know.
> >
> > It goes without saying that not 100% of Matlab is accessible, but I
> would say that around 90% is. Either way, most of what you mentioned that
> you will be doing can be performed using Scripts, functions and the built
> in command line. Most of the toolboxes that I have used are accessible.
> However, if you’re planning to use a toolbox that requires some form of
> graphical input, you might want to contact the developers of that
> particular toolbox to see if those functions can be achieved using text
> commands. As Jonathan stated there are other programs, but if you are
> planning to use Mathematica’s Graphical User Interface, I can tell you
> right now, that at least on the mac, it is not accessible at all. Last, 
> you
> can always use the aforementioned programs in Batch mode, and that tends 
> to
> be more accessible depending on the configuration of the software.
> >
> > I hope I am able to answer some of your questions, and I will be happy
> to answer some more.
> > Kind regards
> > Santi
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On 1 Feb 2017, at 11:57 AM, Godfrey, Jonathan via Blindmath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Doug,
> >>
> >> Start with Octave then. It uses the same syntax, but may not have every
> function offered by Matlab. It won't take long to find out though.
> >>
> >> Jonathan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Doug and Molly Miron via Blindmath
> >> Sent: Wednesday, 1 February 2017 2:38 p.m.
> >> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> >> Cc: Doug and Molly Miron
> >> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Accessible Matlab
> >>
> >>    Hi,
> >>
> >> I'm doing numerical electromagnetics.   No matter what the method, one
> fills
> >> a large, dense matrix and a  source vector to solve the problem.  As
> you probably know, Matlab stands for matrix laboratory, so it is suited to
> the nature of the problems. In '84, I had a summer job at IBM Rochester, 
> MN
> at which I learned APL to work on their code for disk drive read-back 
> error
> simulation.  Matlab is the diminished stepchild of APL, but it has the
> advantage of using only ASCII characters.  Anyway, I read of Octave
> somewhere and sent their people an e-mail inquiring about accessibility,
> but never heard back.  If you have a suggestion about which to use, I'd be
> grateful.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Doug Miron
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Godfrey, Jonathan via Blindmath
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 2:09 PM
> >> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> >> Cc: Godfrey, Jonathan
> >> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Accessible Matlab
> >>
> >> Hi Doug,
> >>
> >> Offering advice on what alternatives exist without knowing what you are
> using Matlab for is a little difficult.
> >>
> >> You could use Octave, Maxima or R to do all the functions available on
> a standard scientific calculator in an interactive mode of working.
> >>
> >> You could use Mathematica, R, Octave,  or Maxima if you need to do
> higher level work; all of these programs can be used in batch mode. Your
> choice will almost certainly depend on the type of higher level work you
> are doing as the coverage and user-friendliness will differ among these
> options.
> >> See https://r-resources.massey.ac.nz/batchprocessing/
> >> For instructions on batch processing with these options.
> >>
> >> Matlab did have a command line to allow batch processing of script
> files, but I've not had a machine with Matlab on it for some time to test
> the current settings needed. I would have thought that you could
> investigate this with a colleague running a more recent version of Matlab.
> I'd like to know if you do manage this experiment (successfully or not) so
> I can update the above web resource.
> >>
> >> Jonathan
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Doug and Molly Miron via Blindmath
> >> Sent: Wednesday, 1 February 2017 8:51 a.m.
> >> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> >> Cc: Doug and Molly Miron
> >> Subject: [Blindmath] Accessible Matlab
> >>
> >> Good day all,
> >>
> >> Alternatively, does anyone know of a Matlab-like scientific computing
> package that is audio accessible?  I’ve tried SciLab and FreeMath without
> success.  I’m presently using an old version of Matlab that is audio
> accessible, but it’s a 32-bit version that I’m running on a WinXP box, and
> the 4GB RAM is barely adequate.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Doug Miron
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   - University of Colorado Boulder Department of computer science, 4th
   year undergraduate student.
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