[Blindmath] {Spam?} Re: Reintroducing myself and beta test opportunity for new STEM accessibility service.
Łukasz Grabowski
graboluk at gmail.com
Thu Feb 9 18:26:21 UTC 2017
> 1. How do you exactly run LaTeXML from the
> terminal and convert a test.tex file that I store in my download
> folder?
I don't use mac, but presumably it's the same as in linux, so first go
to your download folder in termin and then:
latexml --destination test.xml test.tex
and then for example
latexmlpost --splitat=subsection --destination=html/index.html test.xml
This should produce bunch of html files with mathml in subfolder html.
the file index.html is the main file.
Unofrunately I don't us matlab. - I use the free clone popular clone
octave. In that case you would just run comman "octave" from terminal
Best,
Łukasz
> 2. I installed MatLab on Mac, but again nut sure how to run
> it from terminal. I can open the GUI from terminal but that’s not
> exactly what I need. Any Suggestions Doug, or anyone?
>
> Regarding LaTeXML I tried the commands given in the documentation on
> the NIST site, but I am guessing I have to change directory somehow.
> However cd Downloads didn’t help much.
>
> Thanks,
> Daniel
> > On 8 Feb 2017, at 22:54, Łukasz Grabowski via Blindmath
> > <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, it first converts latex to xml and then xml to html with
> > mathml. It works remarkably well.
> >
> > On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 15:51:00 -0700
> > Russell Solowoniuk via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks Lukasz. Will LaTeXML also convert xml files to HTML with
> >> MathML?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Russell
> >>
> >>>>> *ukasz Grabowski via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> 2017-02-08
> >> 2:27 PM >>>
> >> Let me add that In addition to LaTeX Access, or perhaps instead of
> >> it, it is very convenient to use latexml which converts LaTeX to
> >> HTML with MathML, and this can be then read by NVDA.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> *ukasz
> >>
> >> On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 21:22:11 +0000
> >> Dániel Hajas via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Russell,
> >>>
> >>> Let me start with XML as Jason covered it rather well. The point
> >>> is, that as long as you can convert the xml format into html
> >>> including MathML, it can be read by screen readers given they
> >>> support MathML. For instance JFW and Voice Over does. This case
> >>> both speech and braille should be rendered fine, disregarding
> >>> minor issues that are inevitable in software development. You
> >>> would typically open these documents in a web browser. However
> >>> editing these documents are more difficult due to the nature of
> >>> xml tags. Also, I am not aware of too many xml to html+MathML
> >>> convertors that are easy to use out of the box.
> >>>
> >>> Now LaTeX is just an other markup language. Normally this is the
> >>> preferred language for writing publications, books, as it is easy
> >>> to edit and also can be compiled into pdf files with chosen style
> >>> sheets. It is more likely that authors that wrote their books
> >>> after the 90s, will have done that in LaTeX. It is usually the
> >>> publisher who transforms LaTeX sources into XML for further
> >>> processing, e.g. Daisy, or ePub.
> >>>
> >>> Also, even though authors with books written after the 90s can
> >>> have
> >> a
> >>> personal LaTeX copy, they might be hesitant to share these source
> >>> code files, as in theory it could be edited and re published. In
> >>> my case, we managed to get books from kind authors one of our
> >>> faculty member knew as a friend or colleague and personally
> >>> guaranteed that the copy won*t be distributed or misused.
> >>>
> >>> These LaTeX source codes can be opened in a text editor. Using
> >>> auxiliary software such as, the LaTeX Access the following LaTeX
> >>> code: \frac{2}{x} would be translated into speech and read out
> >>> as
> >> *2
> >>> over x*. As long as LaTeX Access is configured correctly, this
> >>> can
> >> be
> >>> achieved using JAWS, NVDA as well, both in speech and braille.
> >>>
> >>> For speech translation I am not aware of any other translation
> >> tools,
> >>> but for braille there are solutions like the Duxbury.
> >>>
> >>> Hope this answers some of your questions. Don*t worry, there are
> >>> never too many questions, just too little answers. So feel free to
> >>> ask more.
> >>>
> >>> Daniel
> >>>> On 8 Feb 2017, at 17:25, Russell Solowoniuk via Blindmath
> >>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Dániel,
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm curious about your comment regarding obtaining a textbook
> >>>> from the author in LaTeX or xml formats. If an author is able
> >>>> to
> >> provide
> >>>> his text in either of these formats, would a student using Jaws
> >>>> or VoiceOver be able to read the textbook and understand all the
> >>>> math content within? I'm not at all familiar with LaTeX, so am
> >>>> not
> >> quite
> >>>> sure how this would work. What would be needed if a LaTeX of the
> >>>> text could be obtained? Math Player? Another software program? Do
> >>>> most authors of STEM textbooks have a LaTeX or xml format of
> >>>> their textbooks? Would an xml format be able to be read using a
> >>>> screen reader?
> >>>>
> >>>> Lots of questions, I know, but, thanks for any information you
> >>>> can provide.
> >>>>
> >>>> Russell
> >>>>
> >>>> Russell Solowoniuk
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> Dániel Hajas via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> 2017-02-07
> >>>>>>> 4:07
> >>>> AM >>>
> >>>> Dear Lukasz,
> >>>>
> >>>> Excellent question. This is a topic that can not be fully
> >>>> explored within an e-mail but let me perhaps give a few key
> >>>> points that worked for me:
> >>>> * First and foremost, let*s establish that screen
> >>>> magnification
> >> and
> >>>> screen reading have very different requirements, which of
> >>>> course
> >> can
> >>>> often complement each other.
> >>>> * For writing, reading and editing mathematical content, let it
> >>>> be lecture notes, assessments and so on, I believe it is
> >>>> inevitable
> >> to
> >>>> be familiar the LaTeX markup language, and for screen reading
> >>>> purposes use for instance the LaTeX Access Project under Windows,
> >>>> which I am most people from this list are familiar with. It
> >>>> is
> >> good
> >>>> practise to provide lecture notes in LaTeX for this reason,
> >>>> which
> >> I
> >>>> know some UK Maths and Physics departments do.
> >>>> * I think it is also very important to have a basic
> >>>> understanding
> >> of
> >>>> how for instance JAWS for Windows and Voice Over can read MathML
> >>>> content, or other screen readers using products like MathPlayer
> >>>> by Design Science; and be aware of online resources such as, DLMF
> >>>> (Digital Library of Mathematical Functions) developed by NIST,
> >>>> which provide high-level content both in LaTeX and MathML
> >>>> formats.
> >>>> * Finding accessible mathematics books is a different
> >>>> chapter,
> >> often
> >>>> very difficult. Approaching authors, perhaps instead of
> >>>> publishers might speed up and increase chances of finding
> >>>> alternative formats of eBooks such as, LaTeX or XML instead of
> >>>> PDF. Daisy with MathML is an option, but I haven*t seen many
> >>>> examples for that yet.
> >>>> * It is good practise to have a high-standard calculator, e.g.
> >>>> the APH + Orbit Research developed Orion Texas Instrument
> >> audio-graphing
> >>>> display calculator. Equally, it is important to do these sort of
> >>>> computations or graph sketching on non GUI programmes, such as
> >>>> Python. The audio graphing calculator or alternative sonification
> >>>> software such as the vOICe can help students visualise the shape
> >>>> and trends of curves, functions, limits. While using Python or
> >>>> other interpreted languages enable students to sketch their own
> >>>> graphs fairly easily and have higher control over the output,
> >>>> than for instance Ms Excel, which on occasions might be a little
> >>>> inconvenient for this purpose.
> >>>> * Tactile Graphics embossers such as View+ Technologies
> >>>> provides
> >> can
> >>>> also help in the students understanding of graphs; however,
> >>>> this
> >> is
> >>>> something that needs practise and a fair amount of time to
> >>>> learn
> >> to
> >>>> use.
> >>>> * Obviously, not only the technical but the human support
> >>>> element
> >> is
> >>>> also rather relevant to be successful as a vision impaired
> >>>> maths
> >> or
> >>>> STEM student. Standards such as extra time for exams,
> >>>> assessments, additional office hours or someone who can help
> >>>> with taking notes from the blackboard if appropriate and
> >>>> necessary. We can not
> >> ignore
> >>>> the fact, that no matter how fluent someone is in using any of
> >>>> the above technical solutions, it will always take longer to
> >>>> view, or read, write a markup language, a graph etc.
> >>>>
> >>>> There are additional software solutions and accessibility
> >>>> concerns for instance with regards to the Infty Project to OCR
> >>>> mathematical documents in order to access further resources, or
> >>>> the often
> >> quoted
> >>>> accessibility questions around mathematical software such as
> >>>> MatLab, Wolfram Mathematica etc. How efficient these
> >>>> technologies are always a question one needs to evaluate.
> >>>>
> >>>> As I said this is just scraping the top of the ice-mountain, and
> >>>> there are many details, other options; but I hope this is a good
> >>>> overview for a starter and can trigger some further questions,
> >>>> conversations. The above are my practises, experiences from the
> >>>> few years of being a blind scientist and I am sure, as many
> >>>> students, teachers, educators, support workers there are
> >>>> concerned in this field, there are just as many, slightly
> >>>> different ways of approaching the same challenge.
> >>>>
> >>>> Daniel
> >>>>> On 6 Feb 2017, at 23:00, *ukasz Grabowski via Blindmath
> >>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dear Daniel,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is not directly related to your email to blindmath email
> >>>>> group.
> >>>> I'm
> >>>>> a maths lecturer at Lancaster university (sighted). I was
> >>>>> wondering
> >>>> if
> >>>>> you could tell me how do you learn advanced, university
> >>>>> level,
> >>>> maths?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm preparing some accessible lecture notes for a visually
> >> impaired
> >>>>> student at my institution. She currently reads the lecture notes
> >>>>> on
> >>>> a
> >>>>> very high zoom level, but I'd be very keen to hear from
> >>>>> succesful
> >>
> >>>> maths
> >>>>> students how do they cope, in order to potentially improve our
> >>>>> approach.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best,
> >>>>> Lukasz
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 22:25:25 +0000
> >>>>> Dániel Hajas via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Lucas, Zach,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Lucas, thanks for your quick introduction. I don*t see why you
> >>>>>> wouldn*t be able to help as an undergraduate, especially
> >>>>>> with
> >> the
> >>>>>> great qualifications and skills you have been gathering during
> >>>>>> your degree. In fact, I would be happy if you could help with
> >>>>>> trying out IRIS and letting the Grapheel team know if you think
> >>>>>> it would
> >>>> assist
> >>>>>> you during your science learning, and if not, how it could
> >>>>>> be
> >>>> changed
> >>>>>> to be more useful. It*s great you*ve done physics and
> >>>>>> chemistry.
> >>
> >>>> IRIS
> >>>>>> currently supports maths, physics, and to a lower extent
> >>>>>> biology
> >>
> >>>> and
> >>>>>> chemistry. However, in the near future, computer science
> >>>>>> and
> >>>> finances
> >>>>>> support should be added.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If you are happy to try IRIS, either let me know, or even
> >>>>>> better if you drop a line to contact at grapheel.com
> >>>>>> <mailto:contact at grapheel.com>, and I am sure the IRIS
> >>>>>> developers
> >>
> >>>> will
> >>>>>> get back to you soon with details.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You really don*t need to thank me for proposing the
> >>>>>> initiative,
> >> I
> >>>>>> simply encountered challenges that I believe still need
> >> solutions,
> >>>>>> and we try to create these solutions in the best way we can.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Zach, thanks for the enthusiastic reply, I*ll get back to you
> >>>>>> on
> >>
> >>>> that
> >>>>>> in a private message, to save the list members some irrelevant
> >>>>>> reading. If you don*t hear from me in the next 1-2 days,
> >>>>>> please
> >>
> >>>> send
> >>>>>> me a reminder in a private mail.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Best wishes,
> >>>>>> Daniel
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 6 Feb 2017, at 16:11, Lucas Nadolskis via Blindmath
> >>>>>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hello Dr. Hajas.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I am currently a student of computer science at the
> >>>>>>> University of Minnesota. I needed to take physics, and
> >>>>>>> calculus courses last year and I am currently taking
> >>>>>>> chemistry and linear algebra. I encountered numerous issues
> >>>>>>> either on the past and
> >> on
> >>>>>>> the current semester on accessibility on this area of study.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So first I want to thank you for this idea of making the
> >>>>>>> study
> >> of
> >>>>>>> science and engineering more accessible for blind students.
> >>>>>>> If
> >>
> >>>> you
> >>>>>>> think that me as a undergraduate student may help on the
> >> project
> >>>>>>> I would be extremely glade to help in any ways that i can.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thank you again.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Best regards.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Lucas Nadolskis.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2017, at 8:04 AM, Dániel Hajas via Blindmath
> >>>>>>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Dear All,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Let me reintroduce myself, as probably the memory of my
> >>>>>>>> person faded on this list, since I have to confess, I
> >>>>>>>> haven*t been posting or regularly reading the conversation
> >>>>>>>> going on between
> >>
> >>>> the
> >>>>>>>> BlindMath list members, even though I am signed up for a
> >>>>>>>> number
> >>>> of
> >>>>>>>> years and always found the knowledge exchange of the list
> >>>>>>>> very valuable, supportive and a friendly place. Personal and
> >>>>>>>> work related pressure prevented me from participating in
> >>>>>>>> this
> >>>> community
> >>>>>>>> in the past year, year and a half, which I wish to change now
> >>>>>>>> and catch up with all the unread e-mails, contribute with
> >>>>>>>> anything I can to new topics. As part of my reintroduction,
> >>>>>>>> please also
> >>>> allow
> >>>>>>>> me to bring your attention to a new STEM accessibility
> >> service.
> >>>>>>>> You can read more about it as well, and if you wish to
> >>>> participate
> >>>>>>>> and help shaping the service with your feedback and
> >>>>>>>> insights, please let the developer team or myself know about
> >>>>>>>> it.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Now to the point:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I am Daniel Hajas, a blind theoretical physicist at the
> >>>> University
> >>>>>>>> of Sussex, England; and founder of Grapheel,
> >> (www.grapheel.com)
> >>>>>>>> which is a initiative to enhance accessibility of science
> >>>>>>>> education for people with special needs, using a set of
> >>>>>>>> online services, hardware products and public engagement
> >>>>>>>> activities, partnering with other organisations to make
> >>>>>>>> scientific content more accessible.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> As part of the Grapheel initiative, me and a small team are
> >>>>>>>> designing an online, science community based image
> >>>>>>>> description service (called IRIS) to enhance the study
> >>>>>>>> experience of blind
> >>
> >>>> and
> >>>>>>>> visually impaired students in their education. Initially we
> >>>>>>>> would like to focus on STEM (Science, Technology,
> >>>>>>>> Engineering, Mathematics) education, but later expand to
> >>>>>>>> subjects at arts
> >> and
> >>>>>>>> humanities and support image descriptions of financial
> >>>>>>>> graphs, or wave form visualisations in music editing.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> As we are at a very early stage of development, we would
> >> highly
> >>>>>>>> appreciate insights and feedback from the blind
> >>>>>>>> community
> >>>> familiar
> >>>>>>>> with accessibility considerations and state-of-the-art
> >> products
> >>>>>>>> and services. In particular, I would be grateful if
> >>>>>>>> members
> >> of
> >>>>>>>> this community could test and advise us on how to improve the
> >>>>>>>> service (please read more about it below). We have a feature
> >>>>>>>> incomplete test version, which we run in closed beta but
> >> before
> >>>>>>>> adding newer and new features we believe could be useful, we
> >>>>>>>> wish to start engaging with experienced, early adapter users,
> >>>>>>>> such
> >>>> that
> >>>>>>>> we can essentially build IRIS together from ground up.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The service is very similar to initiatives such as, Be my
> >> eyes,
> >>>>>>>> Bespecular, TapTapSee and other; however, our service aims to
> >>>>>>>> focus specifically on educational needs, with a pool of
> >>>>>>>> volunteering experts at given academic disciplines.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> How does IRIS work?
> >>>>>>>> * blind or visually impaired (BVI) students upload an image
> >>>>>>>> of scientific content, graphs, diagrams. * BVI students
> >>>>>>>> select a field of study (tag) e.g. physics, maths, chemistry
> >>>>>>>> etc. and a level of difficulty. * BVI students can ask a
> >>>>>>>> specific
> >> question
> >>>>>>>> they would like to know about the figure. * A pool of sighted
> >>>>>>>> volunteers with the necessary knowledge are assigned to
> >>>>>>>> groups of chosen disciplines based on their user settings of
> >>>>>>>> competency.
> >>>> *
> >>>>>>>> When an image request is sent by a BVI student, the
> >>>>>>>> figure
> >>>> appears
> >>>>>>>> in a queue that all volunteers of a specific discipline
> >>>>>>>> can
> >> view
> >>>>>>>> and describe. * If a request is accepted, the volunteer
> >>>>>>>> should give a description of the image based on provided
> >>>>>>>> guidelines.
> >> *
> >>>>>>>> The recipient of the description can either accept the
> >> response,
> >>>>>>>> or ask for further clarification.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> What will I need to do as a tester?
> >>>>>>>> All you need to do is to log in whenever you can, upload a
> >>>>>>>> figure of scientific content, wait for the description and
> >>>>>>>> let us know what are the things you like, don*t like and
> >>>>>>>> suggest
> >> us
> >>>>>>>> new features you believe would be useful or could be done in
> >>>>>>>> a better way.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If you feel you would be happy and able to help us, please
> >>>>>>>> let us know by getting in touch on contact at grapheel.com.
> >>>>>>>> Then we will send you a URL to access the service, your
> >>>>>>>> username, password and a *How to get started* instruction.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Best wishes,
> >>>>>>>> Daniel
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