[Blindmath] {Spam?} Re: Reintroducing myself and beta test opportunity for new STEM accessibility service.
Dániel Hajas
d.hajas.lists at gmail.com
Sat Feb 11 20:32:14 UTC 2017
Hi Lukasz,
No worries, you were already very helpful. I was going to e-mail the developers of latexml anyway to ask about it, but I want to check what’s going on with my installation before doing so, when I have a bit of time.
Have a great weekend,
Daniel
> On 11 Feb 2017, at 13:46, Łukasz Grabowski via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Daniel, I'm really sorry but I know absolutely nothing about mac
> computers, so I won't be able to help.
>
> I can only confirm that at least on my linux indeed latexml --help
> brings up the help.
>
> Best,
> Łukasz
>
>
> On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 13:41:00 +0000
> Dániel Hajas via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Lukasz,
>>
>> I was playing with the LaTeXML commands in every possible permutation
>> I could think of, including your suggestion and some versions of it
>> from the manual, but haven’t made much progress. Also I start to be
>> suspicious that my LaTeXML installation didn’t go well, as latexml
>> —help doesn’t bring up the help as it should. Nor does latexml
>> —VERSION work.
>>
>> When I installed it using MacPorts, it seemed fine to me, no bug
>> reports, it was reading me the steps and looked to me the
>> installation was complete correctly.
>>
>> I tried to insert the installation code again in the terminal to see
>> what happens, but nothing really happened…Asked for my administrator
>> password, and popped a warning which disappeared very quickly.
>>
>> So I am a little puzzled at the moment.
>>
>> Daniel
>>> On 9 Feb 2017, at 18:26, Łukasz Grabowski via Blindmath
>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 1. How do you exactly run LaTeXML from the
>>>> terminal and convert a test.tex file that I store in my download
>>>> folder?
>>>
>>> I don't use mac, but presumably it's the same as in linux, so first
>>> go to your download folder in termin and then:
>>> latexml --destination test.xml test.tex
>>> and then for example
>>> latexmlpost --splitat=subsection --destination=html/index.html
>>> test.xml
>>>
>>> This should produce bunch of html files with mathml in subfolder
>>> html. the file index.html is the main file.
>>>
>>> Unofrunately I don't us matlab. - I use the free clone popular clone
>>> octave. In that case you would just run comman "octave" from
>>> terminal
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Łukasz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> 2. I installed MatLab on Mac, but again nut sure how to run
>>>> it from terminal. I can open the GUI from terminal but that’s not
>>>> exactly what I need. Any Suggestions Doug, or anyone?
>>>>
>>>> Regarding LaTeXML I tried the commands given in the documentation
>>>> on the NIST site, but I am guessing I have to change directory
>>>> somehow. However cd Downloads didn’t help much.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Daniel
>>>>> On 8 Feb 2017, at 22:54, Łukasz Grabowski via Blindmath
>>>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, it first converts latex to xml and then xml to html with
>>>>> mathml. It works remarkably well.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 15:51:00 -0700
>>>>> Russell Solowoniuk via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Lukasz. Will LaTeXML also convert xml files to HTML with
>>>>>> MathML?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Russell
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *ukasz Grabowski via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> 2017-02-08
>>>>>> 2:27 PM >>>
>>>>>> Let me add that In addition to LaTeX Access, or perhaps instead
>>>>>> of it, it is very convenient to use latexml which converts LaTeX
>>>>>> to HTML with MathML, and this can be then read by NVDA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> *ukasz
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 21:22:11 +0000
>>>>>> Dániel Hajas via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Russell,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me start with XML as Jason covered it rather well. The point
>>>>>>> is, that as long as you can convert the xml format into html
>>>>>>> including MathML, it can be read by screen readers given they
>>>>>>> support MathML. For instance JFW and Voice Over does. This case
>>>>>>> both speech and braille should be rendered fine, disregarding
>>>>>>> minor issues that are inevitable in software development. You
>>>>>>> would typically open these documents in a web browser. However
>>>>>>> editing these documents are more difficult due to the nature of
>>>>>>> xml tags. Also, I am not aware of too many xml to html+MathML
>>>>>>> convertors that are easy to use out of the box.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now LaTeX is just an other markup language. Normally this is the
>>>>>>> preferred language for writing publications, books, as it is
>>>>>>> easy to edit and also can be compiled into pdf files with
>>>>>>> chosen style sheets. It is more likely that authors that wrote
>>>>>>> their books after the 90s, will have done that in LaTeX. It is
>>>>>>> usually the publisher who transforms LaTeX sources into XML for
>>>>>>> further processing, e.g. Daisy, or ePub.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, even though authors with books written after the 90s can
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> personal LaTeX copy, they might be hesitant to share these
>>>>>>> source code files, as in theory it could be edited and re
>>>>>>> published. In my case, we managed to get books from kind
>>>>>>> authors one of our faculty member knew as a friend or colleague
>>>>>>> and personally guaranteed that the copy won*t be distributed or
>>>>>>> misused.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These LaTeX source codes can be opened in a text editor. Using
>>>>>>> auxiliary software such as, the LaTeX Access the following LaTeX
>>>>>>> code: \frac{2}{x} would be translated into speech and read out
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>> *2
>>>>>>> over x*. As long as LaTeX Access is configured correctly, this
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> achieved using JAWS, NVDA as well, both in speech and braille.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For speech translation I am not aware of any other
>>>>>>> translation
>>>>>> tools,
>>>>>>> but for braille there are solutions like the Duxbury.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope this answers some of your questions. Don*t worry, there are
>>>>>>> never too many questions, just too little answers. So feel free
>>>>>>> to ask more.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>>> On 8 Feb 2017, at 17:25, Russell Solowoniuk via Blindmath
>>>>>>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Dániel,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm curious about your comment regarding obtaining a textbook
>>>>>>>> from the author in LaTeX or xml formats. If an author is able
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>> provide
>>>>>>>> his text in either of these formats, would a student using Jaws
>>>>>>>> or VoiceOver be able to read the textbook and understand all
>>>>>>>> the math content within? I'm not at all familiar with LaTeX,
>>>>>>>> so am not
>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>>> sure how this would work. What would be needed if a LaTeX of
>>>>>>>> the text could be obtained? Math Player? Another software
>>>>>>>> program? Do most authors of STEM textbooks have a LaTeX or xml
>>>>>>>> format of their textbooks? Would an xml format be able to be
>>>>>>>> read using a screen reader?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lots of questions, I know, but, thanks for any information you
>>>>>>>> can provide.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Russell
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Russell Solowoniuk
>>>>>>>> AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with
>>>>>>>> Disabilities MacEwan University
>>>>>>>> 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave.
>>>>>>>> Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2
>>>>>>>> E: solowoniukr at macewan.ca
>>>>>>>> T: 780-497-5826
>>>>>>>> F: 780-497-4018
>>>>>>>> macewan.ca
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>>>>>>>> to
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>>>>>>>> it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or
>>>>>>>> privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you
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>>>>>>>> not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any
>>>>>>>> communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be
>>>>>>>> deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before
>>>>>>>> printing this email.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dániel Hajas via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> 2017-02-07
>>>>>>>>>>> 4:07
>>>>>>>> AM >>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Lukasz,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Excellent question. This is a topic that can not be fully
>>>>>>>> explored within an e-mail but let me perhaps give a few key
>>>>>>>> points that worked for me:
>>>>>>>> * First and foremost, let*s establish that screen
>>>>>>>> magnification
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> screen reading have very different requirements, which of
>>>>>>>> course
>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> often complement each other.
>>>>>>>> * For writing, reading and editing mathematical content, let it
>>>>>>>> be lecture notes, assessments and so on, I believe it is
>>>>>>>> inevitable
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> be familiar the LaTeX markup language, and for screen reading
>>>>>>>> purposes use for instance the LaTeX Access Project under
>>>>>>>> Windows, which I am most people from this list are familiar
>>>>>>>> with. It is
>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>> practise to provide lecture notes in LaTeX for this reason,
>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> know some UK Maths and Physics departments do.
>>>>>>>> * I think it is also very important to have a basic
>>>>>>>> understanding
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> how for instance JAWS for Windows and Voice Over can read
>>>>>>>> MathML content, or other screen readers using products like
>>>>>>>> MathPlayer by Design Science; and be aware of online resources
>>>>>>>> such as, DLMF (Digital Library of Mathematical Functions)
>>>>>>>> developed by NIST, which provide high-level content both in
>>>>>>>> LaTeX and MathML formats.
>>>>>>>> * Finding accessible mathematics books is a different
>>>>>>>> chapter,
>>>>>> often
>>>>>>>> very difficult. Approaching authors, perhaps instead of
>>>>>>>> publishers might speed up and increase chances of finding
>>>>>>>> alternative formats of eBooks such as, LaTeX or XML instead of
>>>>>>>> PDF. Daisy with MathML is an option, but I haven*t seen many
>>>>>>>> examples for that yet.
>>>>>>>> * It is good practise to have a high-standard calculator, e.g.
>>>>>>>> the APH + Orbit Research developed Orion Texas Instrument
>>>>>> audio-graphing
>>>>>>>> display calculator. Equally, it is important to do these sort
>>>>>>>> of computations or graph sketching on non GUI programmes, such
>>>>>>>> as Python. The audio graphing calculator or alternative
>>>>>>>> sonification software such as the vOICe can help students
>>>>>>>> visualise the shape and trends of curves, functions, limits.
>>>>>>>> While using Python or other interpreted languages enable
>>>>>>>> students to sketch their own graphs fairly easily and have
>>>>>>>> higher control over the output, than for instance Ms Excel,
>>>>>>>> which on occasions might be a little inconvenient for this
>>>>>>>> purpose.
>>>>>>>> * Tactile Graphics embossers such as View+ Technologies
>>>>>>>> provides
>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> also help in the students understanding of graphs; however,
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> something that needs practise and a fair amount of time to
>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> use.
>>>>>>>> * Obviously, not only the technical but the human support
>>>>>>>> element
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> also rather relevant to be successful as a vision impaired
>>>>>>>> maths
>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> STEM student. Standards such as extra time for exams,
>>>>>>>> assessments, additional office hours or someone who can help
>>>>>>>> with taking notes from the blackboard if appropriate and
>>>>>>>> necessary. We can not
>>>>>> ignore
>>>>>>>> the fact, that no matter how fluent someone is in using any of
>>>>>>>> the above technical solutions, it will always take longer to
>>>>>>>> view, or read, write a markup language, a graph etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are additional software solutions and accessibility
>>>>>>>> concerns for instance with regards to the Infty Project to OCR
>>>>>>>> mathematical documents in order to access further resources, or
>>>>>>>> the often
>>>>>> quoted
>>>>>>>> accessibility questions around mathematical software such as
>>>>>>>> MatLab, Wolfram Mathematica etc. How efficient these
>>>>>>>> technologies are always a question one needs to evaluate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As I said this is just scraping the top of the ice-mountain,
>>>>>>>> and there are many details, other options; but I hope this is
>>>>>>>> a good overview for a starter and can trigger some further
>>>>>>>> questions, conversations. The above are my practises,
>>>>>>>> experiences from the few years of being a blind scientist and
>>>>>>>> I am sure, as many students, teachers, educators, support
>>>>>>>> workers there are concerned in this field, there are just as
>>>>>>>> many, slightly different ways of approaching the same
>>>>>>>> challenge.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>>>> On 6 Feb 2017, at 23:00, *ukasz Grabowski via
>>>>>>>>> Blindmath
>>>>>>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear Daniel,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is not directly related to your email to blindmath email
>>>>>>>>> group.
>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>> a maths lecturer at Lancaster university (sighted). I was
>>>>>>>>> wondering
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>> you could tell me how do you learn advanced, university
>>>>>>>>> level,
>>>>>>>> maths?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm preparing some accessible lecture notes for a
>>>>>>>>> visually
>>>>>> impaired
>>>>>>>>> student at my institution. She currently reads the lecture
>>>>>>>>> notes on
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> very high zoom level, but I'd be very keen to hear from
>>>>>>>>> succesful
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> maths
>>>>>>>>> students how do they cope, in order to potentially improve our
>>>>>>>>> approach.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 22:25:25 +0000
>>>>>>>>> Dániel Hajas via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Lucas, Zach,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lucas, thanks for your quick introduction. I don*t see why
>>>>>>>>>> you wouldn*t be able to help as an undergraduate, especially
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> great qualifications and skills you have been gathering
>>>>>>>>>> during your degree. In fact, I would be happy if you could
>>>>>>>>>> help with trying out IRIS and letting the Grapheel team know
>>>>>>>>>> if you think it would
>>>>>>>> assist
>>>>>>>>>> you during your science learning, and if not, how it could
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> changed
>>>>>>>>>> to be more useful. It*s great you*ve done physics and
>>>>>>>>>> chemistry.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IRIS
>>>>>>>>>> currently supports maths, physics, and to a lower extent
>>>>>>>>>> biology
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> chemistry. However, in the near future, computer science
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> finances
>>>>>>>>>> support should be added.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you are happy to try IRIS, either let me know, or even
>>>>>>>>>> better if you drop a line to contact at grapheel.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:contact at grapheel.com>, and I am sure the IRIS
>>>>>>>>>> developers
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>> get back to you soon with details.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You really don*t need to thank me for proposing the
>>>>>>>>>> initiative,
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> simply encountered challenges that I believe still need
>>>>>> solutions,
>>>>>>>>>> and we try to create these solutions in the best way we can.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Zach, thanks for the enthusiastic reply, I*ll get back to you
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> in a private message, to save the list members some
>>>>>>>>>> irrelevant reading. If you don*t hear from me in the next
>>>>>>>>>> 1-2 days, please
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> send
>>>>>>>>>> me a reminder in a private mail.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6 Feb 2017, at 16:11, Lucas Nadolskis via Blindmath
>>>>>>>>>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Dr. Hajas.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am currently a student of computer science at the
>>>>>>>>>>> University of Minnesota. I needed to take physics, and
>>>>>>>>>>> calculus courses last year and I am currently taking
>>>>>>>>>>> chemistry and linear algebra. I encountered numerous issues
>>>>>>>>>>> either on the past and
>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>> the current semester on accessibility on this area of
>>>>>>>>>>> study.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So first I want to thank you for this idea of making the
>>>>>>>>>>> study
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> science and engineering more accessible for blind students.
>>>>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> think that me as a undergraduate student may help on
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>> project
>>>>>>>>>>> I would be extremely glade to help in any ways that i can.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you again.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Lucas Nadolskis.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2017, at 8:04 AM, Dániel Hajas via Blindmath
>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me reintroduce myself, as probably the memory of my
>>>>>>>>>>>> person faded on this list, since I have to confess, I
>>>>>>>>>>>> haven*t been posting or regularly reading the conversation
>>>>>>>>>>>> going on between
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> BlindMath list members, even though I am signed up for a
>>>>>>>>>>>> number
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> years and always found the knowledge exchange of the list
>>>>>>>>>>>> very valuable, supportive and a friendly place. Personal
>>>>>>>>>>>> and work related pressure prevented me from participating
>>>>>>>>>>>> in this
>>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the past year, year and a half, which I wish to change
>>>>>>>>>>>> now and catch up with all the unread e-mails, contribute
>>>>>>>>>>>> with anything I can to new topics. As part of my
>>>>>>>>>>>> reintroduction, please also
>>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>>>>>>>> me to bring your attention to a new STEM
>>>>>>>>>>>> accessibility
>>>>>> service.
>>>>>>>>>>>> You can read more about it as well, and if you wish
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> participate
>>>>>>>>>>>> and help shaping the service with your feedback and
>>>>>>>>>>>> insights, please let the developer team or myself know
>>>>>>>>>>>> about it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now to the point:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am Daniel Hajas, a blind theoretical physicist at
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> University
>>>>>>>>>>>> of Sussex, England; and founder of Grapheel,
>>>>>> (www.grapheel.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>> which is a initiative to enhance accessibility of science
>>>>>>>>>>>> education for people with special needs, using a set of
>>>>>>>>>>>> online services, hardware products and public engagement
>>>>>>>>>>>> activities, partnering with other organisations to make
>>>>>>>>>>>> scientific content more accessible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As part of the Grapheel initiative, me and a small team are
>>>>>>>>>>>> designing an online, science community based image
>>>>>>>>>>>> description service (called IRIS) to enhance the study
>>>>>>>>>>>> experience of blind
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> visually impaired students in their education. Initially we
>>>>>>>>>>>> would like to focus on STEM (Science, Technology,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Engineering, Mathematics) education, but later expand to
>>>>>>>>>>>> subjects at arts
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> humanities and support image descriptions of financial
>>>>>>>>>>>> graphs, or wave form visualisations in music editing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As we are at a very early stage of development, we
>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>> highly
>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciate insights and feedback from the blind
>>>>>>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>> familiar
>>>>>>>>>>>> with accessibility considerations and
>>>>>>>>>>>> state-of-the-art
>>>>>> products
>>>>>>>>>>>> and services. In particular, I would be grateful if
>>>>>>>>>>>> members
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> this community could test and advise us on how to improve
>>>>>>>>>>>> the service (please read more about it below). We have a
>>>>>>>>>>>> feature incomplete test version, which we run in closed
>>>>>>>>>>>> beta but
>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>>>>> adding newer and new features we believe could be useful,
>>>>>>>>>>>> we wish to start engaging with experienced, early adapter
>>>>>>>>>>>> users, such
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> we can essentially build IRIS together from ground up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The service is very similar to initiatives such as, Be
>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>> eyes,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bespecular, TapTapSee and other; however, our service aims
>>>>>>>>>>>> to focus specifically on educational needs, with a pool of
>>>>>>>>>>>> volunteering experts at given academic disciplines.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How does IRIS work?
>>>>>>>>>>>> * blind or visually impaired (BVI) students upload an image
>>>>>>>>>>>> of scientific content, graphs, diagrams. * BVI students
>>>>>>>>>>>> select a field of study (tag) e.g. physics, maths,
>>>>>>>>>>>> chemistry etc. and a level of difficulty. * BVI students
>>>>>>>>>>>> can ask a specific
>>>>>> question
>>>>>>>>>>>> they would like to know about the figure. * A pool of
>>>>>>>>>>>> sighted volunteers with the necessary knowledge are
>>>>>>>>>>>> assigned to groups of chosen disciplines based on their
>>>>>>>>>>>> user settings of competency.
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>>>>>> When an image request is sent by a BVI student, the
>>>>>>>>>>>> figure
>>>>>>>> appears
>>>>>>>>>>>> in a queue that all volunteers of a specific discipline
>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>> view
>>>>>>>>>>>> and describe. * If a request is accepted, the volunteer
>>>>>>>>>>>> should give a description of the image based on provided
>>>>>>>>>>>> guidelines.
>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>>>>>> The recipient of the description can either accept
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>> response,
>>>>>>>>>>>> or ask for further clarification.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What will I need to do as a tester?
>>>>>>>>>>>> All you need to do is to log in whenever you can, upload a
>>>>>>>>>>>> figure of scientific content, wait for the description and
>>>>>>>>>>>> let us know what are the things you like, don*t like and
>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest
>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>>>>>> new features you believe would be useful or could be done
>>>>>>>>>>>> in a better way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you feel you would be happy and able to help us, please
>>>>>>>>>>>> let us know by getting in touch on contact at grapheel.com.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then we will send you a URL to access the service, your
>>>>>>>>>>>> username, password and a *How to get started* instruction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Daniel
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