[Blindmath] {Spam?} Re: Reintroducing myself and beta test opportunity for new STEM accessibility service.

Dániel Hajas d.hajas.lists at gmail.com
Sat Feb 11 20:32:14 UTC 2017


Hi Lukasz,

No worries, you were already very helpful. I was going to e-mail the developers of latexml anyway to ask about it, but I want to check what’s going on with my installation before doing so, when I have a bit of time.

Have a great weekend,
Daniel 
> On 11 Feb 2017, at 13:46, Łukasz Grabowski via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Daniel, I'm really sorry but I know absolutely  nothing about mac
> computers, so I won't be able to help. 
> 
> I can only confirm that at least on my linux indeed latexml --help
> brings up the help. 
> 
> Best,
> Łukasz
> 
> 
> On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 13:41:00 +0000
> Dániel Hajas via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Lukasz,
>> 
>> I was playing with the LaTeXML commands in every possible permutation
>> I could think of, including your suggestion and some versions of it
>> from the manual, but haven’t made much progress. Also I start to be
>> suspicious that my LaTeXML installation didn’t go well, as latexml
>> —help doesn’t bring up the help as it should. Nor does latexml
>> —VERSION work.
>> 
>> When I installed it using MacPorts, it seemed fine to me, no bug
>> reports, it was reading me the steps and looked to me the
>> installation was complete correctly.
>> 
>> I tried to insert the installation code again in the terminal to see
>> what happens, but nothing really happened…Asked for my administrator
>> password, and popped a warning which disappeared very quickly.
>> 
>> So I am a little puzzled at the moment.
>> 
>> Daniel 
>>> On 9 Feb 2017, at 18:26, Łukasz Grabowski via Blindmath
>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote: 
>>>> 1. How do you exactly run LaTeXML from the
>>>> terminal and convert a test.tex file that I store in my download
>>>> folder?   
>>> 
>>> I don't use mac, but presumably it's the same as in linux, so first
>>> go to your download folder in termin and then:
>>> latexml --destination test.xml test.tex
>>> and then for example
>>> latexmlpost  --splitat=subsection --destination=html/index.html
>>> test.xml
>>> 
>>> This should produce bunch of html files with mathml in subfolder
>>> html. the file index.html is the main file.
>>> 
>>> Unofrunately I don't us matlab. - I use the free clone popular clone
>>> octave. In that case you would just run comman "octave" from
>>> terminal
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Łukasz
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 2. I installed MatLab on Mac, but again nut sure how to run
>>>> it from terminal. I can open the GUI from terminal but that’s not
>>>> exactly what I need. Any Suggestions Doug, or anyone?
>>>> 
>>>> Regarding LaTeXML I tried the commands given in the documentation
>>>> on the NIST site, but I am guessing I have to change directory
>>>> somehow. However cd Downloads didn’t help much.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Daniel   
>>>>> On 8 Feb 2017, at 22:54, Łukasz Grabowski via Blindmath
>>>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, it first converts latex to xml and then xml to html with
>>>>> mathml. It works remarkably well.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 15:51:00 -0700
>>>>> Russell Solowoniuk via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks Lukasz. Will LaTeXML also convert xml files to HTML with
>>>>>> MathML?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Russell
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> *ukasz Grabowski via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> 2017-02-08      
>>>>>> 2:27 PM >>>
>>>>>> Let me add that In addition to LaTeX Access, or perhaps instead
>>>>>> of it, it is very convenient to use latexml which converts LaTeX
>>>>>> to HTML with MathML, and this can be then read by NVDA.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> *ukasz
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 21:22:11 +0000
>>>>>> Dániel Hajas via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Russell,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Let me start with XML as Jason covered it rather well. The point
>>>>>>> is, that as long as you can convert the xml format into html
>>>>>>> including MathML, it can be read by screen readers given they
>>>>>>> support MathML. For instance JFW and Voice Over does. This case
>>>>>>> both speech and braille should be rendered fine, disregarding
>>>>>>> minor issues that are inevitable in software development. You
>>>>>>> would typically open these documents in a web browser. However
>>>>>>> editing these documents are more difficult due to the nature of
>>>>>>> xml tags. Also, I am not aware of too many xml to html+MathML
>>>>>>> convertors that are easy to use out of the box.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Now LaTeX is just an other markup language. Normally this is the
>>>>>>> preferred language for writing publications, books, as it is
>>>>>>> easy to edit and also can be compiled into pdf files with
>>>>>>> chosen style sheets. It is more likely that authors that wrote
>>>>>>> their books after the 90s, will have done that in LaTeX. It is
>>>>>>> usually the publisher who transforms LaTeX sources into XML for
>>>>>>> further processing, e.g. Daisy, or ePub.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Also, even though authors with books written after the 90s can
>>>>>>> have      
>>>>>> a    
>>>>>>> personal LaTeX copy, they might be hesitant to share these
>>>>>>> source code files, as in theory it could be edited and re
>>>>>>> published. In my case, we managed to get books from kind
>>>>>>> authors one of our faculty member knew as a friend or colleague
>>>>>>> and personally guaranteed that the copy won*t be distributed or
>>>>>>> misused.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> These LaTeX source codes can be opened in a text editor. Using
>>>>>>> auxiliary software such as, the LaTeX Access the following LaTeX
>>>>>>> code: \frac{2}{x} would be translated into speech and read out
>>>>>>> as      
>>>>>> *2    
>>>>>>> over x*. As long as LaTeX Access is configured correctly, this
>>>>>>> can      
>>>>>> be    
>>>>>>> achieved using JAWS, NVDA as well, both in speech and braille.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> For speech translation I am not aware of any other
>>>>>>> translation      
>>>>>> tools,    
>>>>>>> but for braille there are solutions like the Duxbury.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hope this answers some of your questions. Don*t worry, there are
>>>>>>> never too many questions, just too little answers. So feel free
>>>>>>> to ask more.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Daniel       
>>>>>>>> On 8 Feb 2017, at 17:25, Russell Solowoniuk via Blindmath
>>>>>>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Dániel,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'm curious about your comment regarding obtaining a textbook
>>>>>>>> from the author in LaTeX or xml formats. If an author is able
>>>>>>>> to      
>>>>>> provide    
>>>>>>>> his text in either of these formats, would a student using Jaws
>>>>>>>> or VoiceOver be able to read the textbook and understand all
>>>>>>>> the math content within? I'm not at all familiar with LaTeX,
>>>>>>>> so am not      
>>>>>> quite    
>>>>>>>> sure how this would work. What would be needed if a LaTeX of
>>>>>>>> the text could be obtained? Math Player? Another software
>>>>>>>> program? Do most authors of STEM textbooks have a LaTeX or xml
>>>>>>>> format of their textbooks? Would an xml format be able to be
>>>>>>>> read using a screen reader?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Lots of questions, I know, but, thanks for any information you
>>>>>>>> can provide.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Russell
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Russell Solowoniuk
>>>>>>>> AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with
>>>>>>>> Disabilities MacEwan University
>>>>>>>> 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave.
>>>>>>>> Edmonton, AB  T5J 4S2
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>>>>>>>> F:  780-497-4018
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>>>>>>>> printing this email.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Dániel Hajas via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> 2017-02-07
>>>>>>>>>>> 4:07        
>>>>>>>> AM >>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Lukasz,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Excellent question. This is a topic that can not be fully
>>>>>>>> explored within an e-mail but let me perhaps give a few key
>>>>>>>> points that worked for me:
>>>>>>>> * First and foremost, let*s establish that screen
>>>>>>>> magnification      
>>>>>> and    
>>>>>>>> screen reading have very different requirements, which of
>>>>>>>> course      
>>>>>> can    
>>>>>>>> often complement each other.
>>>>>>>> * For writing, reading and editing mathematical content, let it
>>>>>>>> be lecture notes, assessments and so on, I believe it is
>>>>>>>> inevitable      
>>>>>> to    
>>>>>>>> be familiar the LaTeX markup language, and for screen reading
>>>>>>>> purposes use for instance the LaTeX Access Project under
>>>>>>>> Windows, which I am most people from this list are familiar
>>>>>>>> with. It is      
>>>>>> good    
>>>>>>>> practise to provide lecture notes in LaTeX for this reason,
>>>>>>>> which      
>>>>>> I    
>>>>>>>> know some UK Maths and Physics departments do.
>>>>>>>> * I think it is also very important to have a basic
>>>>>>>> understanding      
>>>>>> of    
>>>>>>>> how for instance JAWS for Windows and Voice Over can read
>>>>>>>> MathML content, or other screen readers using products like
>>>>>>>> MathPlayer by Design Science; and be aware of online resources
>>>>>>>> such as, DLMF (Digital Library of Mathematical Functions)
>>>>>>>> developed by NIST, which provide high-level content both in
>>>>>>>> LaTeX and MathML formats.
>>>>>>>> * Finding accessible mathematics books is a different
>>>>>>>> chapter,      
>>>>>> often    
>>>>>>>> very difficult. Approaching authors, perhaps instead of
>>>>>>>> publishers might speed up and increase chances of finding
>>>>>>>> alternative formats of eBooks such as, LaTeX or XML instead of
>>>>>>>> PDF. Daisy with MathML is an option, but I haven*t seen many
>>>>>>>> examples for that yet.
>>>>>>>> * It is good practise to have a high-standard calculator, e.g.
>>>>>>>> the APH + Orbit Research developed Orion Texas Instrument      
>>>>>> audio-graphing    
>>>>>>>> display calculator. Equally, it is important to do these sort
>>>>>>>> of computations or graph sketching on non GUI programmes, such
>>>>>>>> as Python. The audio graphing calculator or alternative
>>>>>>>> sonification software such as the vOICe can help students
>>>>>>>> visualise the shape and trends of curves, functions, limits.
>>>>>>>> While using Python or other interpreted languages enable
>>>>>>>> students to sketch their own graphs fairly easily and have
>>>>>>>> higher control over the output, than for instance Ms Excel,
>>>>>>>> which on occasions might be a little inconvenient for this
>>>>>>>> purpose.
>>>>>>>> * Tactile Graphics embossers such as View+ Technologies
>>>>>>>> provides      
>>>>>> can    
>>>>>>>> also help in the students understanding of graphs; however,
>>>>>>>> this      
>>>>>> is    
>>>>>>>> something that needs practise and a fair amount of time to
>>>>>>>> learn      
>>>>>> to    
>>>>>>>> use.
>>>>>>>> * Obviously, not only the technical but the human support
>>>>>>>> element      
>>>>>> is    
>>>>>>>> also rather relevant to be successful as a vision impaired
>>>>>>>> maths      
>>>>>> or    
>>>>>>>> STEM student. Standards such as extra time for exams,
>>>>>>>> assessments, additional office hours or someone who can help
>>>>>>>> with taking notes from the blackboard if appropriate and
>>>>>>>> necessary. We can not      
>>>>>> ignore    
>>>>>>>> the fact, that no matter how fluent someone is in using any of
>>>>>>>> the above technical solutions, it will always take longer to
>>>>>>>> view, or read, write a markup language, a graph etc.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> There are additional software solutions and accessibility
>>>>>>>> concerns for instance with regards to the Infty Project to OCR
>>>>>>>> mathematical documents in order to access further resources, or
>>>>>>>> the often      
>>>>>> quoted    
>>>>>>>> accessibility questions around mathematical software such as
>>>>>>>> MatLab, Wolfram Mathematica  etc. How efficient these
>>>>>>>> technologies are always a question one needs to evaluate.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> As I said this is just scraping the top of the ice-mountain,
>>>>>>>> and there are many details, other options; but I hope this is
>>>>>>>> a good overview for a starter and can trigger some further
>>>>>>>> questions, conversations.  The above are my practises,
>>>>>>>> experiences from the few years of being a blind scientist and
>>>>>>>> I am sure, as many students, teachers, educators, support
>>>>>>>> workers there are concerned in this field, there are just as
>>>>>>>> many, slightly different ways of approaching the same
>>>>>>>> challenge.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Daniel         
>>>>>>>>> On 6 Feb 2017, at 23:00, *ukasz Grabowski via
>>>>>>>>> Blindmath        
>>>>>>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:        
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Dear Daniel,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This is not directly related to your email to blindmath email
>>>>>>>>> group.        
>>>>>>>> I'm        
>>>>>>>>> a maths lecturer at Lancaster university (sighted). I was
>>>>>>>>> wondering        
>>>>>>>> if        
>>>>>>>>> you could tell me how do you learn advanced, university
>>>>>>>>> level,        
>>>>>>>> maths?        
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'm preparing some accessible lecture notes for a
>>>>>>>>> visually      
>>>>>> impaired    
>>>>>>>>> student at my institution. She currently reads the lecture
>>>>>>>>> notes on        
>>>>>>>> a        
>>>>>>>>> very high zoom level, but I'd be very keen to hear from
>>>>>>>>> succesful       
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> maths        
>>>>>>>>> students how do they cope, in order to potentially improve our
>>>>>>>>> approach.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 22:25:25 +0000
>>>>>>>>> Dániel Hajas via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Lucas, Zach,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Lucas, thanks for your quick introduction. I don*t see why
>>>>>>>>>> you wouldn*t be able to help as an undergraduate, especially
>>>>>>>>>> with      
>>>>>> the    
>>>>>>>>>> great qualifications and skills you have been gathering
>>>>>>>>>> during your degree. In fact, I would be happy if you could
>>>>>>>>>> help with trying out IRIS and letting the Grapheel team know
>>>>>>>>>> if you think it would        
>>>>>>>> assist        
>>>>>>>>>> you during your science learning, and if not, how it could
>>>>>>>>>> be        
>>>>>>>> changed        
>>>>>>>>>> to be more useful. It*s great you*ve done physics and
>>>>>>>>>> chemistry.       
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> IRIS        
>>>>>>>>>> currently supports maths, physics, and to a lower extent
>>>>>>>>>> biology       
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> and        
>>>>>>>>>> chemistry. However, in the near future, computer science
>>>>>>>>>> and        
>>>>>>>> finances        
>>>>>>>>>> support should be added.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> If you are happy to try IRIS, either let me know, or even
>>>>>>>>>> better if you drop a line to contact at grapheel.com 
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:contact at grapheel.com>, and I am sure the IRIS
>>>>>>>>>> developers       
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> will        
>>>>>>>>>> get back to you soon with details.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> You really don*t need to thank me for proposing the
>>>>>>>>>> initiative,      
>>>>>> I    
>>>>>>>>>> simply encountered challenges that I believe still need      
>>>>>> solutions,    
>>>>>>>>>> and we try to create these solutions in the best way we can.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Zach, thanks for the enthusiastic reply, I*ll get back to you
>>>>>>>>>> on       
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> that        
>>>>>>>>>> in a private message, to save the list members some
>>>>>>>>>> irrelevant reading. If you don*t hear from me in the next
>>>>>>>>>> 1-2 days, please       
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> send        
>>>>>>>>>> me a reminder in a private mail.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>>>>> Daniel 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6 Feb 2017, at 16:11, Lucas Nadolskis via Blindmath
>>>>>>>>>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Dr. Hajas.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I am currently a student of computer  science at the
>>>>>>>>>>> University of Minnesota. I needed to take physics, and
>>>>>>>>>>> calculus   courses last year and I am currently taking
>>>>>>>>>>> chemistry and linear algebra. I encountered numerous issues
>>>>>>>>>>> either on the past and      
>>>>>> on    
>>>>>>>>>>> the current semester on accessibility on  this area of
>>>>>>>>>>> study.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> So first I want to thank you for this idea of making the
>>>>>>>>>>> study      
>>>>>> of    
>>>>>>>>>>> science and engineering  more accessible for blind students.
>>>>>>>>>>> If       
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> you        
>>>>>>>>>>> think that me as a undergraduate student may help on
>>>>>>>>>>> the      
>>>>>> project    
>>>>>>>>>>> I would be extremely glade to help in any ways that i can.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you again.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Lucas Nadolskis.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2017, at 8:04 AM, Dániel Hajas via Blindmath
>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me reintroduce myself, as probably the memory of my
>>>>>>>>>>>> person faded on this list, since I have to confess, I
>>>>>>>>>>>> haven*t been posting or regularly reading the conversation
>>>>>>>>>>>> going on between       
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> the        
>>>>>>>>>>>> BlindMath list members, even though I am signed up for a
>>>>>>>>>>>> number        
>>>>>>>> of        
>>>>>>>>>>>> years and always found the knowledge exchange of the list
>>>>>>>>>>>> very valuable, supportive and a friendly place. Personal
>>>>>>>>>>>> and work related pressure prevented me from participating
>>>>>>>>>>>> in this        
>>>>>>>> community        
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the past year, year and a half, which I wish to change
>>>>>>>>>>>> now and catch up with all the unread e-mails, contribute
>>>>>>>>>>>> with anything I can to new topics. As part of my
>>>>>>>>>>>> reintroduction, please also        
>>>>>>>> allow        
>>>>>>>>>>>> me to bring your attention to a new STEM
>>>>>>>>>>>> accessibility      
>>>>>> service.    
>>>>>>>>>>>> You can read more about it as well, and if you wish
>>>>>>>>>>>> to        
>>>>>>>> participate        
>>>>>>>>>>>> and help shaping the service  with your feedback and
>>>>>>>>>>>> insights, please let the developer team or myself know
>>>>>>>>>>>> about it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now to the point:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am Daniel Hajas, a blind theoretical physicist at
>>>>>>>>>>>> the        
>>>>>>>> University        
>>>>>>>>>>>> of Sussex, England; and founder of Grapheel,      
>>>>>> (www.grapheel.com)    
>>>>>>>>>>>> which is a initiative to enhance accessibility of science
>>>>>>>>>>>> education for people with special needs, using a set of
>>>>>>>>>>>> online services, hardware products and public engagement
>>>>>>>>>>>> activities, partnering with other organisations to make
>>>>>>>>>>>> scientific content more accessible.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> As part of the Grapheel initiative, me and a small team are
>>>>>>>>>>>> designing an online, science community based image
>>>>>>>>>>>> description service (called IRIS) to enhance the study
>>>>>>>>>>>> experience of blind       
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> and        
>>>>>>>>>>>> visually impaired students in their education. Initially we
>>>>>>>>>>>> would like to focus on STEM (Science, Technology,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Engineering, Mathematics) education, but later expand to
>>>>>>>>>>>> subjects at arts      
>>>>>> and    
>>>>>>>>>>>> humanities and support image descriptions of financial
>>>>>>>>>>>> graphs, or wave form visualisations in music editing. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> As we are at a very early stage of development, we
>>>>>>>>>>>> would      
>>>>>> highly    
>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciate insights and feedback from the blind
>>>>>>>>>>>> community        
>>>>>>>> familiar        
>>>>>>>>>>>> with accessibility considerations and
>>>>>>>>>>>> state-of-the-art      
>>>>>> products    
>>>>>>>>>>>> and services. In particular, I would be grateful if
>>>>>>>>>>>> members      
>>>>>> of    
>>>>>>>>>>>> this community could test and advise us on how to improve
>>>>>>>>>>>> the service (please read more about it below). We have a
>>>>>>>>>>>> feature incomplete test version, which we run in closed
>>>>>>>>>>>> beta but      
>>>>>> before    
>>>>>>>>>>>> adding newer and new features we believe could be useful,
>>>>>>>>>>>> we wish to start engaging with experienced, early adapter
>>>>>>>>>>>> users, such        
>>>>>>>> that        
>>>>>>>>>>>> we can essentially build IRIS together from ground up.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> The service is very similar to initiatives such as, Be
>>>>>>>>>>>> my      
>>>>>> eyes,    
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bespecular, TapTapSee and other; however, our service aims
>>>>>>>>>>>> to focus specifically on educational needs, with a pool of
>>>>>>>>>>>> volunteering experts at given academic disciplines.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> How does IRIS work?
>>>>>>>>>>>> * blind or visually impaired (BVI) students upload an image
>>>>>>>>>>>> of scientific content, graphs, diagrams. * BVI students
>>>>>>>>>>>> select a field of study (tag) e.g. physics, maths,
>>>>>>>>>>>> chemistry etc. and a level of difficulty. * BVI students
>>>>>>>>>>>> can ask a specific      
>>>>>> question    
>>>>>>>>>>>> they would like to know about the figure. * A pool of
>>>>>>>>>>>> sighted volunteers with the necessary knowledge are
>>>>>>>>>>>> assigned to groups of chosen disciplines based on their
>>>>>>>>>>>> user settings of competency.        
>>>>>>>> *        
>>>>>>>>>>>> When an image request is sent by a BVI student, the
>>>>>>>>>>>> figure        
>>>>>>>> appears        
>>>>>>>>>>>> in a queue that all volunteers of a specific discipline
>>>>>>>>>>>> can      
>>>>>> view    
>>>>>>>>>>>> and describe. * If a request is accepted, the volunteer
>>>>>>>>>>>> should give a description of the image based on provided
>>>>>>>>>>>> guidelines.      
>>>>>> *    
>>>>>>>>>>>> The recipient of the description can either accept
>>>>>>>>>>>> the      
>>>>>> response,    
>>>>>>>>>>>> or ask for further clarification.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> What will I need to do as a tester?
>>>>>>>>>>>> All you need to do is to log in whenever you can, upload a
>>>>>>>>>>>> figure of scientific content, wait for the description and
>>>>>>>>>>>> let us know what are the things you like, don*t like and
>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest      
>>>>>> us    
>>>>>>>>>>>> new features you believe would be useful or could be done
>>>>>>>>>>>> in a better way.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you feel you would be happy and able to help us, please
>>>>>>>>>>>> let us know by getting in touch on contact at grapheel.com.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then we will send you a URL to access the service, your
>>>>>>>>>>>> username, password and a *How to get started* instruction. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Daniel 
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