[Blindmath] {Spam?} Re: Reintroducing myself and beta test opportunity for new STEM accessibility service.
Łukasz Grabowski
graboluk at gmail.com
Sat Feb 11 13:46:42 UTC 2017
Hi Daniel, I'm really sorry but I know absolutely nothing about mac
computers, so I won't be able to help.
I can only confirm that at least on my linux indeed latexml --help
brings up the help.
Best,
Łukasz
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 13:41:00 +0000
Dániel Hajas via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Lukasz,
>
> I was playing with the LaTeXML commands in every possible permutation
> I could think of, including your suggestion and some versions of it
> from the manual, but haven’t made much progress. Also I start to be
> suspicious that my LaTeXML installation didn’t go well, as latexml
> —help doesn’t bring up the help as it should. Nor does latexml
> —VERSION work.
>
> When I installed it using MacPorts, it seemed fine to me, no bug
> reports, it was reading me the steps and looked to me the
> installation was complete correctly.
>
> I tried to insert the installation code again in the terminal to see
> what happens, but nothing really happened…Asked for my administrator
> password, and popped a warning which disappeared very quickly.
>
> So I am a little puzzled at the moment.
>
> Daniel
> > On 9 Feb 2017, at 18:26, Łukasz Grabowski via Blindmath
> > <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> 1. How do you exactly run LaTeXML from the
> >> terminal and convert a test.tex file that I store in my download
> >> folder?
> >
> > I don't use mac, but presumably it's the same as in linux, so first
> > go to your download folder in termin and then:
> > latexml --destination test.xml test.tex
> > and then for example
> > latexmlpost --splitat=subsection --destination=html/index.html
> > test.xml
> >
> > This should produce bunch of html files with mathml in subfolder
> > html. the file index.html is the main file.
> >
> > Unofrunately I don't us matlab. - I use the free clone popular clone
> > octave. In that case you would just run comman "octave" from
> > terminal
> >
> > Best,
> > Łukasz
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> 2. I installed MatLab on Mac, but again nut sure how to run
> >> it from terminal. I can open the GUI from terminal but that’s not
> >> exactly what I need. Any Suggestions Doug, or anyone?
> >>
> >> Regarding LaTeXML I tried the commands given in the documentation
> >> on the NIST site, but I am guessing I have to change directory
> >> somehow. However cd Downloads didn’t help much.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Daniel
> >>> On 8 Feb 2017, at 22:54, Łukasz Grabowski via Blindmath
> >>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Yes, it first converts latex to xml and then xml to html with
> >>> mathml. It works remarkably well.
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 15:51:00 -0700
> >>> Russell Solowoniuk via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Thanks Lukasz. Will LaTeXML also convert xml files to HTML with
> >>>> MathML?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Russell
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> *ukasz Grabowski via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>> 2017-02-08
> >>>> 2:27 PM >>>
> >>>> Let me add that In addition to LaTeX Access, or perhaps instead
> >>>> of it, it is very convenient to use latexml which converts LaTeX
> >>>> to HTML with MathML, and this can be then read by NVDA.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best,
> >>>> *ukasz
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 21:22:11 +0000
> >>>> Dániel Hajas via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Russell,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Let me start with XML as Jason covered it rather well. The point
> >>>>> is, that as long as you can convert the xml format into html
> >>>>> including MathML, it can be read by screen readers given they
> >>>>> support MathML. For instance JFW and Voice Over does. This case
> >>>>> both speech and braille should be rendered fine, disregarding
> >>>>> minor issues that are inevitable in software development. You
> >>>>> would typically open these documents in a web browser. However
> >>>>> editing these documents are more difficult due to the nature of
> >>>>> xml tags. Also, I am not aware of too many xml to html+MathML
> >>>>> convertors that are easy to use out of the box.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Now LaTeX is just an other markup language. Normally this is the
> >>>>> preferred language for writing publications, books, as it is
> >>>>> easy to edit and also can be compiled into pdf files with
> >>>>> chosen style sheets. It is more likely that authors that wrote
> >>>>> their books after the 90s, will have done that in LaTeX. It is
> >>>>> usually the publisher who transforms LaTeX sources into XML for
> >>>>> further processing, e.g. Daisy, or ePub.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Also, even though authors with books written after the 90s can
> >>>>> have
> >>>> a
> >>>>> personal LaTeX copy, they might be hesitant to share these
> >>>>> source code files, as in theory it could be edited and re
> >>>>> published. In my case, we managed to get books from kind
> >>>>> authors one of our faculty member knew as a friend or colleague
> >>>>> and personally guaranteed that the copy won*t be distributed or
> >>>>> misused.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> These LaTeX source codes can be opened in a text editor. Using
> >>>>> auxiliary software such as, the LaTeX Access the following LaTeX
> >>>>> code: \frac{2}{x} would be translated into speech and read out
> >>>>> as
> >>>> *2
> >>>>> over x*. As long as LaTeX Access is configured correctly, this
> >>>>> can
> >>>> be
> >>>>> achieved using JAWS, NVDA as well, both in speech and braille.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For speech translation I am not aware of any other
> >>>>> translation
> >>>> tools,
> >>>>> but for braille there are solutions like the Duxbury.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hope this answers some of your questions. Don*t worry, there are
> >>>>> never too many questions, just too little answers. So feel free
> >>>>> to ask more.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Daniel
> >>>>>> On 8 Feb 2017, at 17:25, Russell Solowoniuk via Blindmath
> >>>>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Dániel,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm curious about your comment regarding obtaining a textbook
> >>>>>> from the author in LaTeX or xml formats. If an author is able
> >>>>>> to
> >>>> provide
> >>>>>> his text in either of these formats, would a student using Jaws
> >>>>>> or VoiceOver be able to read the textbook and understand all
> >>>>>> the math content within? I'm not at all familiar with LaTeX,
> >>>>>> so am not
> >>>> quite
> >>>>>> sure how this would work. What would be needed if a LaTeX of
> >>>>>> the text could be obtained? Math Player? Another software
> >>>>>> program? Do most authors of STEM textbooks have a LaTeX or xml
> >>>>>> format of their textbooks? Would an xml format be able to be
> >>>>>> read using a screen reader?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Lots of questions, I know, but, thanks for any information you
> >>>>>> can provide.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Russell
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Russell Solowoniuk
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Dániel Hajas via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> 2017-02-07
> >>>>>>>>> 4:07
> >>>>>> AM >>>
> >>>>>> Dear Lukasz,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Excellent question. This is a topic that can not be fully
> >>>>>> explored within an e-mail but let me perhaps give a few key
> >>>>>> points that worked for me:
> >>>>>> * First and foremost, let*s establish that screen
> >>>>>> magnification
> >>>> and
> >>>>>> screen reading have very different requirements, which of
> >>>>>> course
> >>>> can
> >>>>>> often complement each other.
> >>>>>> * For writing, reading and editing mathematical content, let it
> >>>>>> be lecture notes, assessments and so on, I believe it is
> >>>>>> inevitable
> >>>> to
> >>>>>> be familiar the LaTeX markup language, and for screen reading
> >>>>>> purposes use for instance the LaTeX Access Project under
> >>>>>> Windows, which I am most people from this list are familiar
> >>>>>> with. It is
> >>>> good
> >>>>>> practise to provide lecture notes in LaTeX for this reason,
> >>>>>> which
> >>>> I
> >>>>>> know some UK Maths and Physics departments do.
> >>>>>> * I think it is also very important to have a basic
> >>>>>> understanding
> >>>> of
> >>>>>> how for instance JAWS for Windows and Voice Over can read
> >>>>>> MathML content, or other screen readers using products like
> >>>>>> MathPlayer by Design Science; and be aware of online resources
> >>>>>> such as, DLMF (Digital Library of Mathematical Functions)
> >>>>>> developed by NIST, which provide high-level content both in
> >>>>>> LaTeX and MathML formats.
> >>>>>> * Finding accessible mathematics books is a different
> >>>>>> chapter,
> >>>> often
> >>>>>> very difficult. Approaching authors, perhaps instead of
> >>>>>> publishers might speed up and increase chances of finding
> >>>>>> alternative formats of eBooks such as, LaTeX or XML instead of
> >>>>>> PDF. Daisy with MathML is an option, but I haven*t seen many
> >>>>>> examples for that yet.
> >>>>>> * It is good practise to have a high-standard calculator, e.g.
> >>>>>> the APH + Orbit Research developed Orion Texas Instrument
> >>>> audio-graphing
> >>>>>> display calculator. Equally, it is important to do these sort
> >>>>>> of computations or graph sketching on non GUI programmes, such
> >>>>>> as Python. The audio graphing calculator or alternative
> >>>>>> sonification software such as the vOICe can help students
> >>>>>> visualise the shape and trends of curves, functions, limits.
> >>>>>> While using Python or other interpreted languages enable
> >>>>>> students to sketch their own graphs fairly easily and have
> >>>>>> higher control over the output, than for instance Ms Excel,
> >>>>>> which on occasions might be a little inconvenient for this
> >>>>>> purpose.
> >>>>>> * Tactile Graphics embossers such as View+ Technologies
> >>>>>> provides
> >>>> can
> >>>>>> also help in the students understanding of graphs; however,
> >>>>>> this
> >>>> is
> >>>>>> something that needs practise and a fair amount of time to
> >>>>>> learn
> >>>> to
> >>>>>> use.
> >>>>>> * Obviously, not only the technical but the human support
> >>>>>> element
> >>>> is
> >>>>>> also rather relevant to be successful as a vision impaired
> >>>>>> maths
> >>>> or
> >>>>>> STEM student. Standards such as extra time for exams,
> >>>>>> assessments, additional office hours or someone who can help
> >>>>>> with taking notes from the blackboard if appropriate and
> >>>>>> necessary. We can not
> >>>> ignore
> >>>>>> the fact, that no matter how fluent someone is in using any of
> >>>>>> the above technical solutions, it will always take longer to
> >>>>>> view, or read, write a markup language, a graph etc.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There are additional software solutions and accessibility
> >>>>>> concerns for instance with regards to the Infty Project to OCR
> >>>>>> mathematical documents in order to access further resources, or
> >>>>>> the often
> >>>> quoted
> >>>>>> accessibility questions around mathematical software such as
> >>>>>> MatLab, Wolfram Mathematica etc. How efficient these
> >>>>>> technologies are always a question one needs to evaluate.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As I said this is just scraping the top of the ice-mountain,
> >>>>>> and there are many details, other options; but I hope this is
> >>>>>> a good overview for a starter and can trigger some further
> >>>>>> questions, conversations. The above are my practises,
> >>>>>> experiences from the few years of being a blind scientist and
> >>>>>> I am sure, as many students, teachers, educators, support
> >>>>>> workers there are concerned in this field, there are just as
> >>>>>> many, slightly different ways of approaching the same
> >>>>>> challenge.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Daniel
> >>>>>>> On 6 Feb 2017, at 23:00, *ukasz Grabowski via
> >>>>>>> Blindmath
> >>>>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Dear Daniel,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This is not directly related to your email to blindmath email
> >>>>>>> group.
> >>>>>> I'm
> >>>>>>> a maths lecturer at Lancaster university (sighted). I was
> >>>>>>> wondering
> >>>>>> if
> >>>>>>> you could tell me how do you learn advanced, university
> >>>>>>> level,
> >>>>>> maths?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm preparing some accessible lecture notes for a
> >>>>>>> visually
> >>>> impaired
> >>>>>>> student at my institution. She currently reads the lecture
> >>>>>>> notes on
> >>>>>> a
> >>>>>>> very high zoom level, but I'd be very keen to hear from
> >>>>>>> succesful
> >>>>
> >>>>>> maths
> >>>>>>> students how do they cope, in order to potentially improve our
> >>>>>>> approach.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>> Lukasz
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 22:25:25 +0000
> >>>>>>> Dániel Hajas via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hi Lucas, Zach,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Lucas, thanks for your quick introduction. I don*t see why
> >>>>>>>> you wouldn*t be able to help as an undergraduate, especially
> >>>>>>>> with
> >>>> the
> >>>>>>>> great qualifications and skills you have been gathering
> >>>>>>>> during your degree. In fact, I would be happy if you could
> >>>>>>>> help with trying out IRIS and letting the Grapheel team know
> >>>>>>>> if you think it would
> >>>>>> assist
> >>>>>>>> you during your science learning, and if not, how it could
> >>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>> changed
> >>>>>>>> to be more useful. It*s great you*ve done physics and
> >>>>>>>> chemistry.
> >>>>
> >>>>>> IRIS
> >>>>>>>> currently supports maths, physics, and to a lower extent
> >>>>>>>> biology
> >>>>
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> chemistry. However, in the near future, computer science
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>> finances
> >>>>>>>> support should be added.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If you are happy to try IRIS, either let me know, or even
> >>>>>>>> better if you drop a line to contact at grapheel.com
> >>>>>>>> <mailto:contact at grapheel.com>, and I am sure the IRIS
> >>>>>>>> developers
> >>>>
> >>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>> get back to you soon with details.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> You really don*t need to thank me for proposing the
> >>>>>>>> initiative,
> >>>> I
> >>>>>>>> simply encountered challenges that I believe still need
> >>>> solutions,
> >>>>>>>> and we try to create these solutions in the best way we can.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Zach, thanks for the enthusiastic reply, I*ll get back to you
> >>>>>>>> on
> >>>>
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>> in a private message, to save the list members some
> >>>>>>>> irrelevant reading. If you don*t hear from me in the next
> >>>>>>>> 1-2 days, please
> >>>>
> >>>>>> send
> >>>>>>>> me a reminder in a private mail.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Best wishes,
> >>>>>>>> Daniel
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 6 Feb 2017, at 16:11, Lucas Nadolskis via Blindmath
> >>>>>>>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hello Dr. Hajas.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I am currently a student of computer science at the
> >>>>>>>>> University of Minnesota. I needed to take physics, and
> >>>>>>>>> calculus courses last year and I am currently taking
> >>>>>>>>> chemistry and linear algebra. I encountered numerous issues
> >>>>>>>>> either on the past and
> >>>> on
> >>>>>>>>> the current semester on accessibility on this area of
> >>>>>>>>> study.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> So first I want to thank you for this idea of making the
> >>>>>>>>> study
> >>>> of
> >>>>>>>>> science and engineering more accessible for blind students.
> >>>>>>>>> If
> >>>>
> >>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>> think that me as a undergraduate student may help on
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>> project
> >>>>>>>>> I would be extremely glade to help in any ways that i can.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thank you again.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Best regards.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Lucas Nadolskis.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2017, at 8:04 AM, Dániel Hajas via Blindmath
> >>>>>>>>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Dear All,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Let me reintroduce myself, as probably the memory of my
> >>>>>>>>>> person faded on this list, since I have to confess, I
> >>>>>>>>>> haven*t been posting or regularly reading the conversation
> >>>>>>>>>> going on between
> >>>>
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> BlindMath list members, even though I am signed up for a
> >>>>>>>>>> number
> >>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>> years and always found the knowledge exchange of the list
> >>>>>>>>>> very valuable, supportive and a friendly place. Personal
> >>>>>>>>>> and work related pressure prevented me from participating
> >>>>>>>>>> in this
> >>>>>> community
> >>>>>>>>>> in the past year, year and a half, which I wish to change
> >>>>>>>>>> now and catch up with all the unread e-mails, contribute
> >>>>>>>>>> with anything I can to new topics. As part of my
> >>>>>>>>>> reintroduction, please also
> >>>>>> allow
> >>>>>>>>>> me to bring your attention to a new STEM
> >>>>>>>>>> accessibility
> >>>> service.
> >>>>>>>>>> You can read more about it as well, and if you wish
> >>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>> participate
> >>>>>>>>>> and help shaping the service with your feedback and
> >>>>>>>>>> insights, please let the developer team or myself know
> >>>>>>>>>> about it.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Now to the point:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I am Daniel Hajas, a blind theoretical physicist at
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>> University
> >>>>>>>>>> of Sussex, England; and founder of Grapheel,
> >>>> (www.grapheel.com)
> >>>>>>>>>> which is a initiative to enhance accessibility of science
> >>>>>>>>>> education for people with special needs, using a set of
> >>>>>>>>>> online services, hardware products and public engagement
> >>>>>>>>>> activities, partnering with other organisations to make
> >>>>>>>>>> scientific content more accessible.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> As part of the Grapheel initiative, me and a small team are
> >>>>>>>>>> designing an online, science community based image
> >>>>>>>>>> description service (called IRIS) to enhance the study
> >>>>>>>>>> experience of blind
> >>>>
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>> visually impaired students in their education. Initially we
> >>>>>>>>>> would like to focus on STEM (Science, Technology,
> >>>>>>>>>> Engineering, Mathematics) education, but later expand to
> >>>>>>>>>> subjects at arts
> >>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>> humanities and support image descriptions of financial
> >>>>>>>>>> graphs, or wave form visualisations in music editing.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> As we are at a very early stage of development, we
> >>>>>>>>>> would
> >>>> highly
> >>>>>>>>>> appreciate insights and feedback from the blind
> >>>>>>>>>> community
> >>>>>> familiar
> >>>>>>>>>> with accessibility considerations and
> >>>>>>>>>> state-of-the-art
> >>>> products
> >>>>>>>>>> and services. In particular, I would be grateful if
> >>>>>>>>>> members
> >>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>> this community could test and advise us on how to improve
> >>>>>>>>>> the service (please read more about it below). We have a
> >>>>>>>>>> feature incomplete test version, which we run in closed
> >>>>>>>>>> beta but
> >>>> before
> >>>>>>>>>> adding newer and new features we believe could be useful,
> >>>>>>>>>> we wish to start engaging with experienced, early adapter
> >>>>>>>>>> users, such
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>> we can essentially build IRIS together from ground up.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The service is very similar to initiatives such as, Be
> >>>>>>>>>> my
> >>>> eyes,
> >>>>>>>>>> Bespecular, TapTapSee and other; however, our service aims
> >>>>>>>>>> to focus specifically on educational needs, with a pool of
> >>>>>>>>>> volunteering experts at given academic disciplines.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> How does IRIS work?
> >>>>>>>>>> * blind or visually impaired (BVI) students upload an image
> >>>>>>>>>> of scientific content, graphs, diagrams. * BVI students
> >>>>>>>>>> select a field of study (tag) e.g. physics, maths,
> >>>>>>>>>> chemistry etc. and a level of difficulty. * BVI students
> >>>>>>>>>> can ask a specific
> >>>> question
> >>>>>>>>>> they would like to know about the figure. * A pool of
> >>>>>>>>>> sighted volunteers with the necessary knowledge are
> >>>>>>>>>> assigned to groups of chosen disciplines based on their
> >>>>>>>>>> user settings of competency.
> >>>>>> *
> >>>>>>>>>> When an image request is sent by a BVI student, the
> >>>>>>>>>> figure
> >>>>>> appears
> >>>>>>>>>> in a queue that all volunteers of a specific discipline
> >>>>>>>>>> can
> >>>> view
> >>>>>>>>>> and describe. * If a request is accepted, the volunteer
> >>>>>>>>>> should give a description of the image based on provided
> >>>>>>>>>> guidelines.
> >>>> *
> >>>>>>>>>> The recipient of the description can either accept
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>> response,
> >>>>>>>>>> or ask for further clarification.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> What will I need to do as a tester?
> >>>>>>>>>> All you need to do is to log in whenever you can, upload a
> >>>>>>>>>> figure of scientific content, wait for the description and
> >>>>>>>>>> let us know what are the things you like, don*t like and
> >>>>>>>>>> suggest
> >>>> us
> >>>>>>>>>> new features you believe would be useful or could be done
> >>>>>>>>>> in a better way.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> If you feel you would be happy and able to help us, please
> >>>>>>>>>> let us know by getting in touch on contact at grapheel.com.
> >>>>>>>>>> Then we will send you a URL to access the service, your
> >>>>>>>>>> username, password and a *How to get started* instruction.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Best wishes,
> >>>>>>>>>> Daniel
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