[BlindMath] BlindMath Digest, Vol 128, Issue 21

Sat Mar 25 12:03:32 UTC 2017

all, a quick question,

would NVDA work with any LaTEX editors? because I have tried it,
however, it's not working.

Regards,

Tolga.

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> From: Shannon Pruitt <sdpruitt99 at yahoo.com>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 10:06:12 -0700
> From: Karen Sorensen <karen.sorensen at pcc.edu>
> To: The EDUCAUSE IT Accessibility Constituent Group Listserv
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> Subject: [BlindMath] Microsoft Office Mix and math update
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> Hi A11ys,
> Here's a video of how a math instructor creates an Office Mix
> <https://youtu.be/WKfq1-ycOqU>. (6:30). She is using MS Office 2013, 64 bit
> professional plus edition. You can see the actual LaTeX in the video of the
> math instructor creating the Office Mix, but there's no way to edit it or
> use MathType.(Thanks for the idea though Steve Noble!)
> Our screen reader tester is using Windows 10 laptop, NVDA 2017.1, Firefox
> 45.7 ESR plus has MathType and MathPlayer installed and configured to read
> for blindness (Thank you Brian Richwine!).
> But as you can tell from the earlier video I shared
> <https://youtu.be/GTZXRitnZ6g?list=PLy073wx7B4jLBAZlO0wtnGLujTsPlg_n1>,
> NVDA cannot read the math. We did test our configuration to make sure it
> could read MathType in a word document and it did with no problem.
> We also tried Windows Narrator screen reader just for kicks, but it can't
> read it either nor could it read MathType in a word document.
> >From what Gaier Dietrich (Thank you Gaier!) said, we tested NVDA on LaTeX
> in a word document by toggling the mathtype to TeX and NVDA could read
> that, but it was LaTeX code which most of our math students don't know, so
> it wouldn't be helpful even if that's what Office Mix output, which it
> doesn't.
> So I think that's' the crux of the problem. .
> The Office Mix interactive editor creates LaTeX for input but the output is
> a display math version that's not accessible, so that seems to be the
> problem. I called the Microsoft Disability Answer Desk
> <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/disability-answer-desk>
> and they told me that Office Mix is still being tested and they welcome
> feedback <https://officemix.uservoice.com/>. I encourage any and all to
> give them some feedback about this, because otherwise Office Mix is
> accessible to screen readers, assuming the instructor narrates the slides
> well or provides the actual PPT.
> There are other types of interactive quizzes that can be created for Office
> Mix too that should also be tested.
> Thanks everyone!
> Best,
> Karen
>
> Karen M. Sorensen
> Accessibility Advocate for Online Courses
> www.pcc.edu/access
> Portland Community College
> 971-722-4720 <%28971%29%20722-4720>
> Twitter: @ksorensun
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 19:53:48 -0500
> From: "Doug and Molly Miron" <mndmrn at hbci.com>
> To: "Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics"
> 	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Microsoft Office Mix and math update
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> Good day,
>
> The math parts of LaTeX are not that hard to learn.  I am 76 and just
> started and am doing useful work with it.  However, the conversion process
> to MathType is a little limited.  I requested a couple of source files from
>
> a journal author so I could render his equations accessible.  The papers
> have a lot of fancy formatting LaTeX which I either ignore or delete.  There
>
> are a couple of good sources for LaTeX on Wikipedia Some with examples.  If
>
> your students are smart enough to learn math, they are smart enough to learn
>
> LaTeX in short order.
>
> Regards,
> Doug Miron
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karen Sorensen via BlindMath
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 12:06 PM
> To: The EDUCAUSE IT Accessibility Constituent Group Listserv ;
> athen-list at u.washington.edu ; blindmath at nfbnet.org ; Rondi Schei ; Andy
> Freed ; Jessica Bernards
> Cc: Karen Sorensen
> Subject: [BlindMath] Microsoft Office Mix and math update
>
> Hi A11ys,
> Here's a video of how a math instructor creates an Office Mix
> <https://youtu.be/WKfq1-ycOqU>. (6:30). She is using MS Office 2013, 64 bit
> professional plus edition. You can see the actual LaTeX in the video of the
> math instructor creating the Office Mix, but there's no way to edit it or
> use MathType.(Thanks for the idea though Steve Noble!)
> Our screen reader tester is using Windows 10 laptop, NVDA 2017.1, Firefox
> 45.7 ESR plus has MathType and MathPlayer installed and configured to read
> for blindness (Thank you Brian Richwine!).
> But as you can tell from the earlier video I shared
> <https://youtu.be/GTZXRitnZ6g?list=PLy073wx7B4jLBAZlO0wtnGLujTsPlg_n1>,
> NVDA cannot read the math. We did test our configuration to make sure it
> could read MathType in a word document and it did with no problem.
> We also tried Windows Narrator screen reader just for kicks, but it can't
> read it either nor could it read MathType in a word document.
> >From what Gaier Dietrich (Thank you Gaier!) said, we tested NVDA on LaTeX
> in a word document by toggling the mathtype to TeX and NVDA could read
> that, but it was LaTeX code which most of our math students don't know, so
> it wouldn't be helpful even if that's what Office Mix output, which it
> doesn't.
> So I think that's' the crux of the problem. .
> The Office Mix interactive editor creates LaTeX for input but the output is
> a display math version that's not accessible, so that seems to be the
> problem. I called the Microsoft Disability Answer Desk
> <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/disability-answer-desk>
> and they told me that Office Mix is still being tested and they welcome
> feedback <https://officemix.uservoice.com/>. I encourage any and all to
> give them some feedback about this, because otherwise Office Mix is
> accessible to screen readers, assuming the instructor narrates the slides
> well or provides the actual PPT.
> There are other types of interactive quizzes that can be created for Office
> Mix too that should also be tested.
> Thanks everyone!
> Best,
> Karen
>
> Karen M. Sorensen
> Accessibility Advocate for Online Courses
> www.pcc.edu/access
> Portland Community College
> 971-722-4720 <%28971%29%20722-4720>
> Twitter: @ksorensun
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