[BlindMath] BlindMath Digest, Vol 128, Issue 21

Sat Mar 25 15:38:53 UTC 2017

Good day Tolga,

The TeX editors should be plain text, which is then compiled into another 
format for display.  So far as I know, which isn't much, any screen reader 
can read the plain text of the editor, but mostly can't read the compiled 
file equations.  The only exceptions are programs that convert the LaTeX to 
MathML or MathType.---Doug Miron

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all, a quick question,

would NVDA work with any LaTEX editors? because I have tried it,
however, it's not working.

Regards,

Tolga.

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> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 10:06:12 -0700
> From: Karen Sorensen <karen.sorensen at pcc.edu>
> To: The EDUCAUSE IT Accessibility Constituent Group Listserv
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> Hi A11ys,
> Here's a video of how a math instructor creates an Office Mix
> <https://youtu.be/WKfq1-ycOqU>. (6:30). She is using MS Office 2013, 64 
> bit
> professional plus edition. You can see the actual LaTeX in the video of 
> the
> math instructor creating the Office Mix, but there's no way to edit it or
> use MathType.(Thanks for the idea though Steve Noble!)
> Our screen reader tester is using Windows 10 laptop, NVDA 2017.1, Firefox
> 45.7 ESR plus has MathType and MathPlayer installed and configured to read
> for blindness (Thank you Brian Richwine!).
> But as you can tell from the earlier video I shared
> <https://youtu.be/GTZXRitnZ6g?list=PLy073wx7B4jLBAZlO0wtnGLujTsPlg_n1>,
> NVDA cannot read the math. We did test our configuration to make sure it
> could read MathType in a word document and it did with no problem.
> We also tried Windows Narrator screen reader just for kicks, but it can't
> read it either nor could it read MathType in a word document.
> >From what Gaier Dietrich (Thank you Gaier!) said, we tested NVDA on LaTeX
> in a word document by toggling the mathtype to TeX and NVDA could read
> that, but it was LaTeX code which most of our math students don't know, so
> it wouldn't be helpful even if that's what Office Mix output, which it
> doesn't.
> So I think that's' the crux of the problem. .
> The Office Mix interactive editor creates LaTeX for input but the output 
> is
> a display math version that's not accessible, so that seems to be the
> problem. I called the Microsoft Disability Answer Desk
> <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/disability-answer-desk>
> and they told me that Office Mix is still being tested and they welcome
> feedback <https://officemix.uservoice.com/>. I encourage any and all to
> give them some feedback about this, because otherwise Office Mix is
> accessible to screen readers, assuming the instructor narrates the slides
> well or provides the actual PPT.
> There are other types of interactive quizzes that can be created for 
> Office
> Mix too that should also be tested.
> Thanks everyone!
> Best,
> Karen
>
> Karen M. Sorensen
> Accessibility Advocate for Online Courses
> www.pcc.edu/access
> Portland Community College
> 971-722-4720 <%28971%29%20722-4720>
> Twitter: @ksorensun
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> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 19:53:48 -0500
> From: "Doug and Molly Miron" <mndmrn at hbci.com>
> To: "Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics"
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Microsoft Office Mix and math update
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> Good day,
>
> The math parts of LaTeX are not that hard to learn.  I am 76 and just
> started and am doing useful work with it.  However, the conversion process
> to MathType is a little limited.  I requested a couple of source files 
> from
>
> a journal author so I could render his equations accessible.  The papers
> have a lot of fancy formatting LaTeX which I either ignore or delete. 
> There
>
> are a couple of good sources for LaTeX on Wikipedia Some with examples. 
> If
>
> your students are smart enough to learn math, they are smart enough to 
> learn
>
> LaTeX in short order.
>
> Regards,
> Doug Miron
>
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> To: The EDUCAUSE IT Accessibility Constituent Group Listserv ;
> athen-list at u.washington.edu ; blindmath at nfbnet.org ; Rondi Schei ; Andy
> Freed ; Jessica Bernards
> Cc: Karen Sorensen
> Subject: [BlindMath] Microsoft Office Mix and math update
>
> Hi A11ys,
> Here's a video of how a math instructor creates an Office Mix
> <https://youtu.be/WKfq1-ycOqU>. (6:30). She is using MS Office 2013, 64 
> bit
> professional plus edition. You can see the actual LaTeX in the video of 
> the
> math instructor creating the Office Mix, but there's no way to edit it or
> use MathType.(Thanks for the idea though Steve Noble!)
> Our screen reader tester is using Windows 10 laptop, NVDA 2017.1, Firefox
> 45.7 ESR plus has MathType and MathPlayer installed and configured to read
> for blindness (Thank you Brian Richwine!).
> But as you can tell from the earlier video I shared
> <https://youtu.be/GTZXRitnZ6g?list=PLy073wx7B4jLBAZlO0wtnGLujTsPlg_n1>,
> NVDA cannot read the math. We did test our configuration to make sure it
> could read MathType in a word document and it did with no problem.
> We also tried Windows Narrator screen reader just for kicks, but it can't
> read it either nor could it read MathType in a word document.
> >From what Gaier Dietrich (Thank you Gaier!) said, we tested NVDA on LaTeX
> in a word document by toggling the mathtype to TeX and NVDA could read
> that, but it was LaTeX code which most of our math students don't know, so
> it wouldn't be helpful even if that's what Office Mix output, which it
> doesn't.
> So I think that's' the crux of the problem. .
> The Office Mix interactive editor creates LaTeX for input but the output 
> is
> a display math version that's not accessible, so that seems to be the
> problem. I called the Microsoft Disability Answer Desk
> <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/disability-answer-desk>
> and they told me that Office Mix is still being tested and they welcome
> feedback <https://officemix.uservoice.com/>. I encourage any and all to
> give them some feedback about this, because otherwise Office Mix is
> accessible to screen readers, assuming the instructor narrates the slides
> well or provides the actual PPT.
> There are other types of interactive quizzes that can be created for 
> Office
> Mix too that should also be tested.
> Thanks everyone!
> Best,
> Karen
>
> Karen M. Sorensen
> Accessibility Advocate for Online Courses
> www.pcc.edu/access
> Portland Community College
> 971-722-4720 <%28971%29%20722-4720>
> Twitter: @ksorensun
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