[BlindMath] BlindMath Digest, Vol 130, Issue 7

[Steve Jacobson]

Tolga,

If someone has a quick answer for you here, that is fine, but this appears
to be off topic for this list.  There are other lists on NFBNET.ORG that
would be good sources for this information.  Also, you might check out

http://www.microsoft.com/accessibility

as there are some pretty good lists of keystrokes available there.  It is
important to know if you mean Skype for Skype for Business as they are
different.  Again, though, it would be best not to get into a long
discussion of this here.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson, List Moderator

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Hello,

I am having a technical tifficulty with jaws and skype,

I want to share my screen with my tutor, but their is no shortcut to
share screens, how can I share screens?

Regards,

Tolga

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> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 08:46:23 -0500
> From: John G Heim <jheim at math.wisc.edu>
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> Don,
>
> First of all, William didn't say anything about the value of a liberal
> arts education. I have a degree in a STEM field and a liberal arts
> education. Those two things are not mutually exclusive.  Secondly,
> you've made a lot of unsubstantiated assertions. Where's your data?
> Nobody is going to dispute that people who major in the Humanities
> "usually do find employment" but the question is whether they find
> employment at a rate similar to people who major in STEM fields and if
> they are as well paid. Is it your assertion that people who major in
> History, English, and Fine Arts are as likely to find work and are as
> well paid as those who major in STEM fields?
>
> I think William probably should apologize for referring to the
> Humanities as "crap". But there is nothing wrong with encouraging
> people, especially blind people, to go into STEM fields. There are a lot
> of jobs and the pay is really good.
>
>
> On 05/09/2017 11:21 PM, Donald Winiecki via BlindMath wrote:
>> William,
>> ?
>> It is the case that pop surveys report exactly what you have found in the
>> two URLs offered.
>>
>> However, as a scientist you know that the quality of data is essential to
>> producing any real research.
>>
>> With that in mind, part of the difficulty in tracking employment of
>> graduates per their declared major is that there are often not clear job
>> categories for things like `historian` or `English literature` or `fine
>> arts`.  That said, it is the case that graduates of those major fields of
>> study usually do find employment in the general world of work -- often in
>> careers that are not obviously related to their major field of study.
>>
>> So asking someone if they have found work in their college major field of
>> study is actually deceiving if one's goal is to tabulate the worth of
>> college major fields of study.  A liberal arts education can actually
>> prepare one for a very wide range of work.  The analytic skills required
>> of
>> an English literature or Creative writing student are very valuable when
>> culling through any large set of unstructured data -- the kind of data we
>> find in careers ranging from Marketing to Human Resources to Government
>> Office work to Paralegal and Law Clerks.  The amazing time-management and
>> task-juggling skills learned by students of Early Childhood Education are
>> very applicable to work in any fast-paced workplace.
>>
>> When it comes to salary, we could agree that starting salaries for some
>> graduates of STEM fields are higher than those from around campus.
>> However, this is hardly uniform.  For example, a large proportion of
>> mathematics graduates seem to find careers in teaching -- and teaching is
>> not considered to be among the highest paying jobs (and there is a high
>> attrition rate among early career teachers).  In contrast, enrollees and
>> graduates of law schools often studied undergraduate history and
>> philosophy, and depending on one's special focus, a career in law can be
>> very lucrative.
>>
>> ?I'm sure we can agree that STEM fields are enjoying a `PR boost` at
>> present.  I'm also sure we can agree that it is worthwhile offering
>> support
>> to students pursuing careers they have the aptitude and motivation to
>> pursue.  If you wish to promote STEM studies and careers to blind and
>> visually impaired students then please work with them to bring them into
>> the fold!  That is why I am here in this list, but those aren't the only
>> students who deserve support.
>>
>> The world is not a zero-sum game.
>>
>> _don
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Don Winiecki, Ed.D., Ph.D.
>> *Professor of Ethics & Morality in Professional Practice*
>> Boise State University, College of Engineering
>> 1910 University Drive, Mail Stop 2070
>> Boise, Idaho 83725-2070 USA
>> E-mail: dwiniecki at boisestate.edu
>> Telephone: (+01) 208 426 1899
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~d
>> ?
>>
>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 9:39 PM, William Grussenmeyer <wdg31415 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There are plenty of news stories covering research studies showing
>>> that STEM fields have lower unemployment rates and moreover have
>>> higher pay rates, especially graduate students.
>>>
>>> http://www.sciencemag.org/careers/2015/03/employment-picture
>>> -improving-stem-majors
>>>
>>> https://www.asme.org/career-education/articles/early-career-
>>> engineers/engineering-salaries-on-the-rise
>>>
>>> and look at this news story showing the top 25 highest unemployment
>>> rates for majors:
>>> College majors with the highest unemployment
>>> 1. Clinical psychology 19.5%
>>> 2. Miscellaneous fine arts 16.2%
>>> 3. United States history 15.1%
>>> 4. Library science 15.0%
>>> 5. (tie) Military technologies; educational psychology 10.9%
>>> 6. Architecture 10.6%
>>> 7. Industrial & organizational psychology 10.4%
>>> 8. Miscellaneous psychology 10.3%
>>> 9. Linguistics & comparative literature 10.2%
>>> 10. (tie) Visual & performing arts; engineering & industrial management
>>> 9.2%
>>> 11. Engineering & industrial management 9.2%
>>> 12. Social psychology 8.8%
>>> 13. International business 8.5%
>>> 14. Humanities 8.4%
>>> 15. General social sciences 8.2%
>>> 16. Commercial art & graphic design 8.1%
>>> 17. Studio art 8.0%
>>> 18. Pre-law & legal studies 7.9%
>>> 19. Materials engineering and materials science and composition &
>>> speech (tie) 7.7%
>>> 20. Liberal arts 7.6%
>>> 21. (tie) Fine arts and genetics 7.4%
>>> 22. Film video & photography arts and cosmetology services & culinary
>>> arts (tie) 7.3%
>>> 23. Philosophy & religious studies and neuroscience (tie) 7.2%
>>> 24. Biochemical sciences 7.1%
>>> 25. (tie) Journali
>>>
>>> taken from
>>> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/25-college-majors-with-the-highe
>>> st-unemployment-rates/
>>>
>>> and check out this news story.  There are 10 times more tech jobs than
>>> computing majors last year:
>>>
>>> You Probably Should Have Majored in Computer Science
>>>
>>> Quartz, March 10
>>>
>>> If you?re looking for a college major that gives you a great future
>>> job outlook, computer science is still one of the most attractive
>>> options available. There are almost 10 times more U.S. computing jobs
>>> open right now than there were students who graduated with computer
>>> science degrees in 2015. That year, the most recent for which the
>>> National Center for Education Statistics has collected data, about
>>> 60,000 students graduated from U.S. institutions with bachelor degrees
>>> in computer and information services. There are about 530,000
>>> computing jobs currently open, according to Code.org, which used data
>>> from business research association The Conference Board.
>>>
>>> taken from:
>>> https://qz.com/929275/you-probably-should-have-majored-in-
>>> computer-science/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/9/17, Don Winiecki <dwiniecki at boisestate.edu> wrote:
>>>> Hi William,
>>>>
>>>> I am a sociologist who teaches in a College of Engineering.  My role is
>>> to
>>>> promote inclusion, diversity and social-justice in engineering.  We
>>>> have
>>>> lots of social science data providing substantive evidence that
>>>> students
>>> in
>>>> STEM fields who are not part of the demographic majority (read, white
>>> males)
>>>> face substantive disadvantages leveraged by members of the majority
>>>> demographic.
>>>>
>>>> I am a Principal Investigator on an NSF funded project to
>>>> `Revolutionize
>>>> Engineering Departments` in the directions noted above -- initially
>>> focusing
>>>> on Computer Science.    NSF is obviously strongly in favor of
>>>> attempting
>>> to
>>>> reverse the damages to STEM fields by biases of the demographic
>>>> majority
>>> in
>>>> society and in that discipline.
>>>>
>>>> The field of Computer Science is now (finally) waking up to the fact
>>>> that
>>>> their innovations reflect the same biases that plague society in
>>>> general.
>>>> The same Computer Scientists who are researching `algorithmic bias` and
>>> bias
>>>> in machine learning technologies are also strong proponents of
>>>> involving
>>>> members of the social sciences and the humanities in their research, in
>>>> order to take advantage of the real knowledge of social problems they
>>> have
>>>> discovered and documented over several centuries.  I myself am working
>>> with
>>>> one of our Data Scientists at Boise State University to write a
>>>> proposal
>>> for
>>>> funding combined social science and data science research to produce
>>>> and
>>>> prototype use of precision agriculture tools.
>>>>
>>>> To be honest, I find your comment to reflect some of the problems that
>>>> I
>>> and
>>>> others are attempting to address in the sciences -- and in Computer
>>> Science
>>>> in particular.  I hope you come to realize the influence you have on
>>> others
>>>> in your field and begin to see the value of working to foster inclusive
>>>> transdisciplinary partnerships across all the sciences, arts and
>>>> humanities.
>>>>
>>>> Incidentally, I taught myself FORTRAN, C and Lisp and use them when
>>>> appropriate in my own activities.  Computer Science is not just for
>>> computer
>>>> scientists.
>>>>
>>>> PS: If you'd like to provide data to support your claim that humanities
>>> and
>>>> social science graduates are unemployed at a rate higher than in the
>>>> sciences, I'd be happy to see it.  My own reviews of those data show
>>>> that
>>>> engineering graduates are not employed at higher rates than other
>>>> majors,
>>>> and in fact in many engineering fields, job satisfaction drops
>>> precipitously
>>>> with time.  Research on that latter phenomenon indicates that older
>>> workers
>>>> are often seen as a liability in `high tech` and despite the fact that
>>> they
>>>> were once the developers (perhaps now the maintainers) of our
>>> technological
>>>> infrastructure, they report they are treated poorly in comparison to
>>> those
>>>> in the youthful vanguard -- they feel the industry has cast them aside.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>
>>>> _don
>>>>
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> Don Winiecki, Ed.D., Ph.D.
>>>> Professor of Ethics & Morality in Professional Practice
>>>> Boise State University, College of Engineering
>>>> 1910 University Drive, Boise, Idaho 83725-2070 USA
>>>> E-mail: dwiniecki at boisestate.edu
>>>> Telephone: (+01) 208 426 1899
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ipa
>>>>
>>>>> On May 9, 2017, at 7:05 PM, William Grussenmeyer via BlindMath
>>>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Good.  I am tired of seeing all those scholarships going to people in
>>>>> majors like English, social work, and other humanities crap where they
>>>>> will never find a job.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/9/17, John Miller via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you to everyone who has been a part of our successful effort to
>>>>>> collect donations for a 2017 NFB Science, Technology Engineering, and
>>>>>> Mathematics (STEM) Scholarship.
>>>>>> The STEM scholarship will be awarded in the amount of $3000 to a
>>>>>> worthy
>>>>>> blind student at the 2017 NFB convention.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have made significant progress towards raising funds for a 2018
>>>>>> STEM
>>>>>> scholarship as well.
>>>>>> I want to let you know that we started the 2017 fundraising effort
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> $940
>>>>>> in the scholarship fund in July 2016.
>>>>>> At this time we have raised $1565 towards a 2018 STEM scholarship.
>>>>>> I feel confident that working together we can again award the STEM
>>>>>> scholarship in 2018.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We know that blind professionals and students are succeeding in
>>> biology,
>>>>>> chemestry, and natural science.
>>>>>> We know that blind individuals are performing at a high level in
>>>>>> mathematics, physics, engineering, and related fields.
>>>>>> Donations came from blind individuals working in these fields, our
>>>>>> friends,
>>>>>> and our family.
>>>>>> This year one corporate donation came from E.A.S.Y. LLC,
>>>>>> www.easytactilegraphics.com<http://www.easytactilegraphics.com>, an
>>>>>> organization committed to blind individuals creating technical
>>>>>> drawings
>>>>>> independently.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am so grateful to be part of an organization that has a belief in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> abilities of blind people and a commitment to helping the next
>>> generation
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> blind students.
>>>>>> I am also so thankful to those who patiently listened to my pitch for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> scholarship and then generously made it happen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very Best,
>>>>>> John Miller, President
>>>>>> Science and Engineering Division
>>>>>> of the National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> nfbcs mailing list
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>>>>>> nfbcs:
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>>> 40gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> William Grussenmeyer
>>>>> PhD Student, Computer Science
>>>>> University of Nevada, Reno
>>>>> NSF Fellow
>>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> William Grussenmeyer
>>> PhD Student, Computer Science
>>> University of Nevada, Reno
>>> NSF Fellow
>>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 08:59:22 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Mike Gorse <mike at straddlethebox.org>
> To: Donald Winiecki via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> 	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] [nfbcs] Science division reach its 2017 STEM
> 	scholarship goal
> Message-ID: <alpine.LSU.2.20.1705100834520.10328 at straddlethebox.org>
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>
> I'm glad that the scholarship was funded. If blind students are interested
> in a STEM field and have the aptitude, then they should be able to study
> it and shouldn't be discouraged. At the same time, if a student has no
> interest in anything STEM-related but feels passionate about, say, helping
> disadvantaged children, then education or social work might be what s/he
> should study. While the prevalence of jobs and expected salaries are
> things that students should consider, their abilities and interests are
> also factors--if a student studies a field that s/he isn't well suited to,
> the s/he may have trouble finding work anyhow.
>
> A friend (who isn't blind) just posted this, while complaining that he was
> encouraged to study biomedical engineering when there are virtually no
> jobs in the field, according to him:
>
> https://medium.com/i-m-h-o/stem-still-no-shortage-c6f6eed505c1
>
> Someone else posted a link to this paper in response, which argues that
> STEM is to heterogeneous to say that there is or isn't a shortage.
>
>
https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2015/article/stem-crisis-or-stem-surplus-yes-an
d-yes.htm
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 07:59:57 -0600
> From: Don Winiecki <dwiniecki at boisestate.edu>
> To: jheim at math.wisc.edu, Blind Math list for those interested in
> 	mathematics	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] [nfbcs] Science division reach its 2017 STEM
> 	scholarship goal
> Message-ID: <B7DA295A-F664-4AE0-923C-5AE555AAB681 at boisestate.edu>
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>
> I absolutely agree we should do what is necessary to remove barriers to
> access and success in STEM fields for those who wish to pursue that path.
>
> Data to follow.
>
> _don
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Don Winiecki, Ed.D., Ph.D.
> Professor of Ethics & Morality in Professional Practice
> Boise State University, College of Engineering
> 1910 University Drive, Boise, Idaho 83725-2070 USA
> E-mail: dwiniecki at boisestate.edu
> Telephone: (+01) 208 426 1899
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~iph
>
>> On May 10, 2017, at 7:46 AM, John G Heim via BlindMath
>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Don,
>>
>> First of all, William didn't say anything about the value of a liberal
>> arts education. I have a degree in a STEM field and a liberal arts
>> education. Those two things are not mutually exclusive.  Secondly, you've
>> made a lot of unsubstantiated assertions. Where's your data? Nobody is
>> going to dispute that people who major in the Humanities "usually do find
>> employment" but the question is whether they find employment at a rate
>> similar to people who major in STEM fields and if they are as well paid.
>> Is it your assertion that people who major in History, English, and Fine
>> Arts are as likely to find work and are as well paid as those who major
in
>> STEM fields?
>>
>> I think William probably should apologize for referring to the Humanities
>> as "crap". But there is nothing wrong with encouraging people, especially
>> blind people, to go into STEM fields. There are a lot of jobs and the pay
>> is really good.
>>
>>
>>> On 05/09/2017 11:21 PM, Donald Winiecki via BlindMath wrote:
>>> William,
>>> ?
>>> It is the case that pop surveys report exactly what you have found in
>>> the
>>> two URLs offered.
>>>
>>> However, as a scientist you know that the quality of data is essential
>>> to
>>> producing any real research.
>>>
>>> With that in mind, part of the difficulty in tracking employment of
>>> graduates per their declared major is that there are often not clear job
>>> categories for things like `historian` or `English literature` or `fine
>>> arts`.  That said, it is the case that graduates of those major fields
>>> of
>>> study usually do find employment in the general world of work -- often
>>> in
>>> careers that are not obviously related to their major field of study.
>>>
>>> So asking someone if they have found work in their college major field
>>> of
>>> study is actually deceiving if one's goal is to tabulate the worth of
>>> college major fields of study.  A liberal arts education can actually
>>> prepare one for a very wide range of work.  The analytic skills required
>>> of
>>> an English literature or Creative writing student are very valuable when
>>> culling through any large set of unstructured data -- the kind of data
>>> we
>>> find in careers ranging from Marketing to Human Resources to Government
>>> Office work to Paralegal and Law Clerks.  The amazing time-management
>>> and
>>> task-juggling skills learned by students of Early Childhood Education
>>> are
>>> very applicable to work in any fast-paced workplace.
>>>
>>> When it comes to salary, we could agree that starting salaries for some
>>> graduates of STEM fields are higher than those from around campus.
>>> However, this is hardly uniform.  For example, a large proportion of
>>> mathematics graduates seem to find careers in teaching -- and teaching
>>> is
>>> not considered to be among the highest paying jobs (and there is a high
>>> attrition rate among early career teachers).  In contrast, enrollees and
>>> graduates of law schools often studied undergraduate history and
>>> philosophy, and depending on one's special focus, a career in law can be
>>> very lucrative.
>>>
>>> ?I'm sure we can agree that STEM fields are enjoying a `PR boost` at
>>> present.  I'm also sure we can agree that it is worthwhile offering
>>> support
>>> to students pursuing careers they have the aptitude and motivation to
>>> pursue.  If you wish to promote STEM studies and careers to blind and
>>> visually impaired students then please work with them to bring them into
>>> the fold!  That is why I am here in this list, but those aren't the only
>>> students who deserve support.
>>>
>>> The world is not a zero-sum game.
>>>
>>> _don
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> Don Winiecki, Ed.D., Ph.D.
>>> *Professor of Ethics & Morality in Professional Practice*
>>> Boise State University, College of Engineering
>>> 1910 University Drive, Mail Stop 2070
>>> Boise, Idaho 83725-2070 USA
>>> E-mail: dwiniecki at boisestate.edu
>>> Telephone: (+01) 208 426 1899
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~d
>>> ?
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 9:39 PM, William Grussenmeyer
>>> <wdg31415 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There are plenty of news stories covering research studies showing
>>>> that STEM fields have lower unemployment rates and moreover have
>>>> higher pay rates, especially graduate students.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.sciencemag.org/careers/2015/03/employment-picture
>>>> -improving-stem-majors
>>>>
>>>> https://www.asme.org/career-education/articles/early-career-
>>>> engineers/engineering-salaries-on-the-rise
>>>>
>>>> and look at this news story showing the top 25 highest unemployment
>>>> rates for majors:
>>>> College majors with the highest unemployment
>>>> 1. Clinical psychology 19.5%
>>>> 2. Miscellaneous fine arts 16.2%
>>>> 3. United States history 15.1%
>>>> 4. Library science 15.0%
>>>> 5. (tie) Military technologies; educational psychology 10.9%
>>>> 6. Architecture 10.6%
>>>> 7. Industrial & organizational psychology 10.4%
>>>> 8. Miscellaneous psychology 10.3%
>>>> 9. Linguistics & comparative literature 10.2%
>>>> 10. (tie) Visual & performing arts; engineering & industrial management
>>>> 9.2%
>>>> 11. Engineering & industrial management 9.2%
>>>> 12. Social psychology 8.8%
>>>> 13. International business 8.5%
>>>> 14. Humanities 8.4%
>>>> 15. General social sciences 8.2%
>>>> 16. Commercial art & graphic design 8.1%
>>>> 17. Studio art 8.0%
>>>> 18. Pre-law & legal studies 7.9%
>>>> 19. Materials engineering and materials science and composition &
>>>> speech (tie) 7.7%
>>>> 20. Liberal arts 7.6%
>>>> 21. (tie) Fine arts and genetics 7.4%
>>>> 22. Film video & photography arts and cosmetology services & culinary
>>>> arts (tie) 7.3%
>>>> 23. Philosophy & religious studies and neuroscience (tie) 7.2%
>>>> 24. Biochemical sciences 7.1%
>>>> 25. (tie) Journali
>>>>
>>>> taken from
>>>> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/25-college-majors-with-the-highe
>>>> st-unemployment-rates/
>>>>
>>>> and check out this news story.  There are 10 times more tech jobs than
>>>> computing majors last year:
>>>>
>>>> You Probably Should Have Majored in Computer Science
>>>>
>>>> Quartz, March 10
>>>>
>>>> If you?re looking for a college major that gives you a great future
>>>> job outlook, computer science is still one of the most attractive
>>>> options available. There are almost 10 times more U.S. computing jobs
>>>> open right now than there were students who graduated with computer
>>>> science degrees in 2015. That year, the most recent for which the
>>>> National Center for Education Statistics has collected data, about
>>>> 60,000 students graduated from U.S. institutions with bachelor degrees
>>>> in computer and information services. There are about 530,000
>>>> computing jobs currently open, according to Code.org, which used data
>>>> from business research association The Conference Board.
>>>>
>>>> taken from:
>>>> https://qz.com/929275/you-probably-should-have-majored-in-
>>>> computer-science/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/9/17, Don Winiecki <dwiniecki at boisestate.edu> wrote:
>>>>> Hi William,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am a sociologist who teaches in a College of Engineering.  My role
>>>>> is
>>>> to
>>>>> promote inclusion, diversity and social-justice in engineering.  We
>>>>> have
>>>>> lots of social science data providing substantive evidence that
>>>>> students
>>>> in
>>>>> STEM fields who are not part of the demographic majority (read, white
>>>> males)
>>>>> face substantive disadvantages leveraged by members of the majority
>>>>> demographic.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am a Principal Investigator on an NSF funded project to
>>>>> `Revolutionize
>>>>> Engineering Departments` in the directions noted above -- initially
>>>> focusing
>>>>> on Computer Science.    NSF is obviously strongly in favor of
>>>>> attempting
>>>> to
>>>>> reverse the damages to STEM fields by biases of the demographic
>>>>> majority
>>>> in
>>>>> society and in that discipline.
>>>>>
>>>>> The field of Computer Science is now (finally) waking up to the fact
>>>>> that
>>>>> their innovations reflect the same biases that plague society in
>>>>> general.
>>>>> The same Computer Scientists who are researching `algorithmic bias`
>>>>> and
>>>> bias
>>>>> in machine learning technologies are also strong proponents of
>>>>> involving
>>>>> members of the social sciences and the humanities in their research,
>>>>> in
>>>>> order to take advantage of the real knowledge of social problems they
>>>> have
>>>>> discovered and documented over several centuries.  I myself am working
>>>> with
>>>>> one of our Data Scientists at Boise State University to write a
>>>>> proposal
>>>> for
>>>>> funding combined social science and data science research to produce
>>>>> and
>>>>> prototype use of precision agriculture tools.
>>>>>
>>>>> To be honest, I find your comment to reflect some of the problems that
>>>>> I
>>>> and
>>>>> others are attempting to address in the sciences -- and in Computer
>>>> Science
>>>>> in particular.  I hope you come to realize the influence you have on
>>>> others
>>>>> in your field and begin to see the value of working to foster
>>>>> inclusive
>>>>> transdisciplinary partnerships across all the sciences, arts and
>>>>> humanities.
>>>>>
>>>>> Incidentally, I taught myself FORTRAN, C and Lisp and use them when
>>>>> appropriate in my own activities.  Computer Science is not just for
>>>> computer
>>>>> scientists.
>>>>>
>>>>> PS: If you'd like to provide data to support your claim that
>>>>> humanities
>>>> and
>>>>> social science graduates are unemployed at a rate higher than in the
>>>>> sciences, I'd be happy to see it.  My own reviews of those data show
>>>>> that
>>>>> engineering graduates are not employed at higher rates than other
>>>>> majors,
>>>>> and in fact in many engineering fields, job satisfaction drops
>>>> precipitously
>>>>> with time.  Research on that latter phenomenon indicates that older
>>>> workers
>>>>> are often seen as a liability in `high tech` and despite the fact that
>>>> they
>>>>> were once the developers (perhaps now the maintainers) of our
>>>> technological
>>>>> infrastructure, they report they are treated poorly in comparison to
>>>> those
>>>>> in the youthful vanguard -- they feel the industry has cast them
>>>>> aside.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>
>>>>> _don
>>>>>
>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>> Don Winiecki, Ed.D., Ph.D.
>>>>> Professor of Ethics & Morality in Professional Practice
>>>>> Boise State University, College of Engineering
>>>>> 1910 University Drive, Boise, Idaho 83725-2070 USA
>>>>> E-mail: dwiniecki at boisestate.edu
>>>>> Telephone: (+01) 208 426 1899
>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ipa
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 9, 2017, at 7:05 PM, William Grussenmeyer via BlindMath
>>>>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good.  I am tired of seeing all those scholarships going to people in
>>>>>> majors like English, social work, and other humanities crap where
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> will never find a job.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/9/17, John Miller via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you to everyone who has been a part of our successful effort
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> collect donations for a 2017 NFB Science, Technology Engineering,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> Mathematics (STEM) Scholarship.
>>>>>>> The STEM scholarship will be awarded in the amount of $3000 to a
>>>>>>> worthy
>>>>>>> blind student at the 2017 NFB convention.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have made significant progress towards raising funds for a 2018
>>>>>>> STEM
>>>>>>> scholarship as well.
>>>>>>> I want to let you know that we started the 2017 fundraising effort
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> $940
>>>>>>> in the scholarship fund in July 2016.
>>>>>>> At this time we have raised $1565 towards a 2018 STEM scholarship.
>>>>>>> I feel confident that working together we can again award the STEM
>>>>>>> scholarship in 2018.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We know that blind professionals and students are succeeding in
>>>> biology,
>>>>>>> chemestry, and natural science.
>>>>>>> We know that blind individuals are performing at a high level in
>>>>>>> mathematics, physics, engineering, and related fields.
>>>>>>> Donations came from blind individuals working in these fields, our
>>>>>>> friends,
>>>>>>> and our family.
>>>>>>> This year one corporate donation came from E.A.S.Y. LLC,
>>>>>>> www.easytactilegraphics.com<http://www.easytactilegraphics.com>, an
>>>>>>> organization committed to blind individuals creating technical
>>>>>>> drawings
>>>>>>> independently.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am so grateful to be part of an organization that has a belief in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> abilities of blind people and a commitment to helping the next
>>>> generation
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> blind students.
>>>>>>> I am also so thankful to those who patiently listened to my pitch
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> scholarship and then generously made it happen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Very Best,
>>>>>>> John Miller, President
>>>>>>> Science and Engineering Division
>>>>>>> of the National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> nfbcs mailing list
>>>>>>> nfbcs at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> nfbcs:
>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/wdg31415%
>>>> 40gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> William Grussenmeyer
>>>>>> PhD Student, Computer Science
>>>>>> University of Nevada, Reno
>>>>>> NSF Fellow
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> BlindMath mailing list
>>>>>> BlindMath at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindmath_nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>> BlindMath:
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindmath_nfbnet.org/dwini
>>>> ecki%40boisestate.edu
>>>>>> BlindMath Gems can be found at
>>>>>> <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> William Grussenmeyer
>>>> PhD Student, Computer Science
>>>> University of Nevada, Reno
>>>> NSF Fellow
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> BlindMath:
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>>> <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
>>>
>>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 09:55:34 -0500
> From: John G Heim <jheim at math.wisc.edu>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> 	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] [nfbcs] Science division reach its 2017 STEM
> 	scholarship goal
> Message-ID: <3137db21-359d-0fd4-6e1f-f0996841303e at math.wisc.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
> A site called payscale.com dominates google's pages on which college
> degrees pay the most. No matter what I google, I get hits from their web
> site first. I never heard of it until now. Having said that though,
> their list of highest paying college degrees and highest paying careers
> is very heavily weighted toward STEM fields. Business/management also
> does well. [See links below.] The question of aptitude is a very
> important on, of course. I think I'm going to post separately about that
> though.
>
>
http://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report/majors-that-pay-you-back/bache
lors
>
http://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report/majors-that-pay-you-back/gradu
ate-degrees
>
>
> On 05/10/2017 08:59 AM, Mike Gorse via BlindMath wrote:
>> I'm glad that the scholarship was funded. If blind students are
>> interested in a STEM field and have the aptitude, then they should be
>> able to study it and shouldn't be discouraged. At the same time, if a
>> student has no interest in anything STEM-related but feels passionate
>> about, say, helping disadvantaged children, then education or social
>> work might be what s/he should study. While the prevalence of jobs and
>> expected salaries are things that students should consider, their
>> abilities and interests are also factors--if a student studies a field
>> that s/he isn't well suited to, the s/he may have trouble finding work
>> anyhow.
>>
>> A friend (who isn't blind) just posted this, while complaining that he
>> was encouraged to study biomedical engineering when there are virtually
>> no jobs in the field, according to him:
>>
>> https://medium.com/i-m-h-o/stem-still-no-shortage-c6f6eed505c1
>>
>> Someone else posted a link to this paper in response, which argues that
>> STEM is to heterogeneous to say that there is or isn't a shortage.
>>
>>
https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2015/article/stem-crisis-or-stem-surplus-yes-an
d-yes.htm
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> BlindMath:
>>
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>>
>> BlindMath Gems can be found at
>> <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 08:04:29 -0700
> From: "Cricket X. Bidleman" <cricketbidleman at gmail.com>
> To: jheim at math.wisc.edu, Blind Math list for those interested in
> 	mathematics	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] [BlMath] [nfbcs] Science division reach its
> 	2017 STEM scholarship goal
> Message-ID:
> 	<CABP7S8M_K3RYPCC=VFwdD04uFrYD5YO+hniYwEUkNpMCWxkdVQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Can you provide a variety of sources? .com and .org sites generally
> tend to have some sort of bias, as I'm sure all sites do to some
> extent. Can you provide some .edu and .gov links to balance that out?
> I'm typing on a Braille keyboard, so I don't know if that will
> translate correctly. We shall see.
>
> On 5/10/17, John G Heim via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> A site called payscale.com dominates google's pages on which college
>> degrees pay the most. No matter what I google, I get hits from their web
>> site first. I never heard of it until now. Having said that though,
>> their list of highest paying college degrees and highest paying careers
>> is very heavily weighted toward STEM fields. Business/management also
>> does well. [See links below.] The question of aptitude is a very
>> important on, of course. I think I'm going to post separately about that
>> though.
>>
>>
http://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report/majors-that-pay-you-back/bache
lors
>>
http://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report/majors-that-pay-you-back/gradu
ate-degrees
>>
>>
>> On 05/10/2017 08:59 AM, Mike Gorse via BlindMath wrote:
>>> I'm glad that the scholarship was funded. If blind students are
>>> interested in a STEM field and have the aptitude, then they should be
>>> able to study it and shouldn't be discouraged. At the same time, if a
>>> student has no interest in anything STEM-related but feels passionate
>>> about, say, helping disadvantaged children, then education or social
>>> work might be what s/he should study. While the prevalence of jobs and
>>> expected salaries are things that students should consider, their
>>> abilities and interests are also factors--if a student studies a field
>>> that s/he isn't well suited to, the s/he may have trouble finding work
>>> anyhow.
>>>
>>> A friend (who isn't blind) just posted this, while complaining that he
>>> was encouraged to study biomedical engineering when there are virtually
>>> no jobs in the field, according to him:
>>>
>>> https://medium.com/i-m-h-o/stem-still-no-shortage-c6f6eed505c1
>>>
>>> Someone else posted a link to this paper in response, which argues that
>>> STEM is to heterogeneous to say that there is or isn't a shortage.
>>>
>>>
https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2015/article/stem-crisis-or-stem-surplus-yes-an
d-yes.htm
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BlindMath mailing list
>>> BlindMath at nfbnet.org
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> BlindMath:
>>>
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>>>
>>> BlindMath Gems can be found at
>>> <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> BlindMath:
>>
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il.com
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>> <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 09:37:36 -0600
> From: Donald Winiecki <dwiniecki at boisestate.edu>
> To: jheim at math.wisc.edu, Blind Math list for those interested in
> 	mathematics	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] [nfbcs] Science division reach its 2017 STEM
> 	scholarship goal
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAOyCyQnph7kdJQaZr86zYPLschE_Xz16jQ81ENvZRaY-+xN2JA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Developers of websites can seed their code with search terms that Google
> then captures and uses in its pagerank algorithm.  Savvy website
developers
> can do a lot to promote the visibility of their websites in this way.  I
> think this is pretty-much expected and state of the art by now.  I don't
> know if Google or other search tools do anything to pro-rate websites that
> do such seeding.
>
> The outcome is that a Google (or other) search is not necessarily an
> adequate means to locate reliable data
>
> But I will add my concern over the consideration that pay is the only, or
> the primary, valued attribute of jobs.  Research in behavioral psych has
> indicated that above a certain level of compensation, pay is not usually
> considered a rewarding factor.
>
> *Quality of life doesn't come only from salary.*
>
>
> *Of course we're now getting into the shoulders of William's initial
> statements -- as should be the case.  It is only when we start looking
> around the issue that we identify what are the factors that allow it to be
> an issue at all.*
> Best,
>
> _don
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Don Winiecki, Ed.D., Ph.D.
> *Professor of Ethics & Morality in Professional Practice*
> Boise State University, College of Engineering
> Dept of Organizational Performance & Workplace Learning (OPWL)
> 1910 University Drive, Mail Stop 2070
> Boise, Idaho 83725-2070 USA
> E-mail: dwiniecki at boisestate.edu
> WWW: http://opwl.boisestate.edu
> Telephone: (+01) 208 426 1899
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~d
>
> On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 8:55 AM, John G Heim via BlindMath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> A site called payscale.com dominates google's pages on which college
>> degrees pay the most. No matter what I google, I get hits from their web
>> site first. I never heard of it until now. Having said that though, their
>> list of highest paying college degrees and highest paying careers is very
>> heavily weighted toward STEM fields. Business/management also does well.
>> [See links below.] The question of aptitude is a very important on, of
>> course. I think I'm going to post separately about that though.
>>
>> http://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report/majors-that-
>> pay-you-back/bachelors
>> http://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report/majors-that-
>> pay-you-back/graduate-degrees
>>
>>
>> On 05/10/2017 08:59 AM, Mike Gorse via BlindMath wrote:
>>
>>> I'm glad that the scholarship was funded. If blind students are
>>> interested in a STEM field and have the aptitude, then they should be
>>> able to study it and shouldn't be discouraged. At the same time, if a
>>> student has no interest in anything STEM-related but feels passionate
>>> about, say, helping disadvantaged children, then education or social
>>> work might be what s/he should study. While the prevalence of jobs and
>>> expected salaries are things that students should consider, their
>>> abilities and interests are also factors--if a student studies a field
>>> that s/he isn't well suited to, the s/he may have trouble finding work
>>> anyhow.
>>>
>>> A friend (who isn't blind) just posted this, while complaining that he
>>> was encouraged to study biomedical engineering when there are virtually
>>> no jobs in the field, according to him:
>>>
>>> https://medium.com/i-m-h-o/stem-still-no-shortage-c6f6eed505c1
>>>
>>> Someone else posted a link to this paper in response, which argues that
>>> STEM is to heterogeneous to say that there is or isn't a shortage.
>>>
>>> https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2015/article/stem-crisis-or-ste
>>> m-surplus-yes-and-yes.htm
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BlindMath mailing list
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> BlindMath:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindmath_nfbnet.org/jheim
>>> %40math.wisc.edu
>>>
>>> BlindMath Gems can be found at
>>> <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> BlindMath:
>>
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>> ecki%40boisestate.edu
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>> lindmath-gems-home>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 15:05:47 -0600
> From: Donald Winiecki <dwiniecki at boisestate.edu>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> 	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] [nfbcs] Science division reach its 2017 STEM
> 	scholarship goal
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAOyCyQnR=guY=8r6vu8EpAqs56+veFeyC6vK8s6+HCOXOST+fA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> *Engineers' job satisfaction not based on salary (routinized work leads to
> stagnant and dropping job satisfaction)*
>
> https://www.jstor.org/stable/689758
>
>
>
> *Engineers' job satisfaction not substantially-different from Doctors,
> Lawyers or Teachers (high performance pressures, combined with routinized
> work leads to progressive decrease in job satisfaction)*
> http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00300731
>
>
> *Differential job satisfaction by sex*
>
>
https://academic.oup.com/sf/article/92/2/723/2235817/What-s-So-Special-about
-STEM-A-Comparison-of-Women
>
>
> *Non-scientific tally of job-satisfaction ratings (not a representative
> sample)*
>
> http://www.myplan.com/careers/top-ten/highest-job-satisfaction.php
>
>
> *Employment rates & salary per career field, within 4-years of graduation
> (many STEM fields no better than non-STEM fields) (biggest premium for CS
> and undefined `engineering` -- note that 4-years is not a very large
window
> for assessing career -- UPENN reports larger window but I can't find the
> report!)*
>
> https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2014/2014141.pdf
>
> _don
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Don Winiecki, Ed.D., Ph.D.
> *Professor of Ethics & Morality in Professional Practice*
> Boise State University, College of Engineering
> 1910 University Drive, Mail Stop 2070
> Boise, Idaho 83725-2070 USA
> E-mail: dwiniecki at boisestate.edu
> Telephone: (+01) 208 426 1899
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~d
>
> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 7:05 PM, William Grussenmeyer via BlindMath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Good.  I am tired of seeing all those scholarships going to people in
>> majors like English, social work, and other humanities crap where they
>> will never find a job.
>>
>> On 5/9/17, John Miller via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > Thank you to everyone who has been a part of our successful effort to
>> > collect donations for a 2017 NFB Science, Technology Engineering, and
>> > Mathematics (STEM) Scholarship.
>> > The STEM scholarship will be awarded in the amount of $3000 to a worthy
>> > blind student at the 2017 NFB convention.
>> >
>> > We have made significant progress towards raising funds for a 2018 STEM
>> > scholarship as well.
>> > I want to let you know that we started the 2017 fundraising effort with
>> $940
>> > in the scholarship fund in July 2016.
>> > At this time we have raised $1565 towards a 2018 STEM scholarship.
>> > I feel confident that working together we can again award the STEM
>> > scholarship in 2018.
>> >
>> > We know that blind professionals and students are succeeding in
>> > biology,
>> > chemestry, and natural science.
>> > We know that blind individuals are performing at a high level in
>> > mathematics, physics, engineering, and related fields.
>> > Donations came from blind individuals working in these fields, our
>> friends,
>> > and our family.
>> > This year one corporate donation came from E.A.S.Y. LLC,
>> > www.easytactilegraphics.com<http://www.easytactilegraphics.com>, an
>> > organization committed to blind individuals creating technical drawings
>> > independently.
>> >
>> > I am so grateful to be part of an organization that has a belief in the
>> > abilities of blind people and a commitment to helping the next
>> generation of
>> > blind students.
>> > I am also so thankful to those who patiently listened to my pitch for
>> > the
>> > scholarship and then generously made it happen.
>> >
>> > Very Best,
>> > John Miller, President
>> > Science and Engineering Division
>> > of the National Federation of the Blind
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > nfbcs mailing list
>> > nfbcs at nfbnet.org
>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org
>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> > nfbcs:
>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/wdg31415%40gmail.com
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> William Grussenmeyer
>> PhD Student, Computer Science
>> University of Nevada, Reno
>> NSF Fellow
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindMath mailing list
>> BlindMath at nfbnet.org
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>> BlindMath:
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>> dwiniecki%40boisestate.edu
>> BlindMath Gems can be found at <http://www.blindscience.org/
>> blindmath-gems-home>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 21:37:25 -0500
> From: "Doug and Molly Miron" <mndmrn at hbci.com>
> To: "Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics"
> 	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] [nfbcs] Science division reach its 2017 STEM
> 	scholarship goal
> Message-ID: <ECB21F6B2EF2448DA2D74EA77179E0F3 at DESKTOPBGKNB8Q>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> 	reply-type=original
>
>     Good day all,
>
> I am a 76-year old research electrical engineer.  I've been hard-of-seeing
> all my life, typical acuity of 4/200 until early 2015 when I lost useful
> vision.  I earned the B.S.E.E. in '62, the M.S.E.E. in'63 and the Ph.D. in
> '77.  When I went to work in '63 an EE was not expected to be overly
> specialized but to learn the particulars of a problem on the job.  While I
> had specialized in control systems, in those days it was a broad field
> encompassing electric machines, electronics, hydraulics, pneumatics,
> sometimes heat transfer and fluid flow.  In '74 I went to work for a
company
>
> that wanted an rf engineer, so I became one, designing rf circuits and
> antennas and arrays for five years.  Before that, I had done general
> electronics design, control systems analysis for space-borne energy
systems,
>
> fuel cell controls, and wrote simulation code for a rotary heat transfer
> system at the back end of a jet engine.  I set up an experiment to show
that
>
> lead-acid batteries produced gas on both charge and discharge, an
important
>
> issue for deep-diving research submarines.  While I was teaching in the
'80s
>
> and '90s I wrote code for a small-vocabulary voice recognition system to
run
>
> on the '386 processor which is a fixed-point arithmetic rather slow
> processor by today's standards.  The point is, I had continuous job
> satisfaction to the present day.  I observed in job ads in the '90s that
the
>
> requirements were getting narrower as time went on, reading more like a
> poaching ad than a search for real talent.  I think that when a job ceases
> to offer you interesting work it's time to move on.  Although, in general,
> management pays more than engineering, I didn't want to go that way,
partly
>
> because we felt that managers were failed engineers.
>
> Regards,
> Doug Miron
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Donald Winiecki via BlindMath
> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 4:05 PM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Cc: Donald Winiecki
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] [nfbcs] Science division reach its 2017 STEM
> scholarship goal
>
> *Engineers' job satisfaction not based on salary (routinized work leads to
> stagnant and dropping job satisfaction)*
>
> https://www.jstor.org/stable/689758
>
>
>
> *Engineers' job satisfaction not substantially-different from Doctors,
> Lawyers or Teachers (high performance pressures, combined with routinized
> work leads to progressive decrease in job satisfaction)*
> http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00300731
>
>
> *Differential job satisfaction by sex*
>
>
https://academic.oup.com/sf/article/92/2/723/2235817/What-s-So-Special-about
-STEM-A-Comparison-of-Women
>
>
> *Non-scientific tally of job-satisfaction ratings (not a representative
> sample)*
>
> http://www.myplan.com/careers/top-ten/highest-job-satisfaction.php
>
>
> *Employment rates & salary per career field, within 4-years of graduation
> (many STEM fields no better than non-STEM fields) (biggest premium for CS
> and undefined `engineering` -- note that 4-years is not a very large
window
> for assessing career -- UPENN reports larger window but I can't find the
> report!)*
>
> https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2014/2014141.pdf
>
> _don
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Don Winiecki, Ed.D., Ph.D.
> *Professor of Ethics & Morality in Professional Practice*
> Boise State University, College of Engineering
> 1910 University Drive, Mail Stop 2070
> Boise, Idaho 83725-2070 USA
> E-mail: dwiniecki at boisestate.edu
> Telephone: (+01) 208 426 1899
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~d
>
> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 7:05 PM, William Grussenmeyer via BlindMath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Good.  I am tired of seeing all those scholarships going to people in
>> majors like English, social work, and other humanities crap where they
>> will never find a job.
>>
>> On 5/9/17, John Miller via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > Thank you to everyone who has been a part of our successful effort to
>> > collect donations for a 2017 NFB Science, Technology Engineering, and
>> > Mathematics (STEM) Scholarship.
>> > The STEM scholarship will be awarded in the amount of $3000 to a worthy
>> > blind student at the 2017 NFB convention.
>> >
>> > We have made significant progress towards raising funds for a 2018 STEM
>> > scholarship as well.
>> > I want to let you know that we started the 2017 fundraising effort with
>> $940
>> > in the scholarship fund in July 2016.
>> > At this time we have raised $1565 towards a 2018 STEM scholarship.
>> > I feel confident that working together we can again award the STEM
>> > scholarship in 2018.
>> >
>> > We know that blind professionals and students are succeeding in
>> > biology,
>> > chemestry, and natural science.
>> > We know that blind individuals are performing at a high level in
>> > mathematics, physics, engineering, and related fields.
>> > Donations came from blind individuals working in these fields, our
>> friends,
>> > and our family.
>> > This year one corporate donation came from E.A.S.Y. LLC,
>> > www.easytactilegraphics.com<http://www.easytactilegraphics.com>, an
>> > organization committed to blind individuals creating technical drawings
>> > independently.
>> >
>> > I am so grateful to be part of an organization that has a belief in the
>> > abilities of blind people and a commitment to helping the next
>> generation of
>> > blind students.
>> > I am also so thankful to those who patiently listened to my pitch for
>> > the
>> > scholarship and then generously made it happen.
>> >
>> > Very Best,
>> > John Miller, President
>> > Science and Engineering Division
>> > of the National Federation of the Blind
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > nfbcs mailing list
>> > nfbcs at nfbnet.org
>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org
>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> > nfbcs:
>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/wdg31415%40gmail.com
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> William Grussenmeyer
>> PhD Student, Computer Science
>> University of Nevada, Reno
>> NSF Fellow
>>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 07:23:39 +0300
> From: Dzhovani <dzhovani.chemishanov at gmail.com>
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] [nfbcs] Science division reach its 2017 STEM
> 	scholarship goal
> Message-ID: <0f1ccb08-e994-b64a-7261-ff7fe191b512 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Hi all,
>
>    I'm not quite sure if this argument actually makes sense. Someone
> complained that humanitarian majors are not worth it, someone else
> trying to bring down stem fields...
>
>    I'm software developer and I am happy one so far. However, I have the
> time to develop because my boss don't bother me with much of the
> paperwork, because the finance team handle invoicing and lots of legal
> stuff and because there is a number of people who clean and maintain the
> office so that it is a nice place to work. It is a big world and it
> takes all kind of people to run it.
>
>    The problem with the humanitarian fields is that many people think
> that they can bs their way in such major and sell themselves as
> university-educated. This is also known as "I don't know what I want to
> do with my life". Yep, quantifiable measurements are hard to apply
> there, however, the majors are not the problem, but the people who want
> to cheat the system and end up unemployed.
>
> PS: A last one, I've seen such awful code in production that bs-ing in
> university is the only possible explanation no matter that this is
> stem-like field.
>
> Dzhovani
>
> On 11.5.2017 ?. 5:37, Doug and Molly Miron via BlindMath wrote:
>>    Good day all,
>>
>> I am a 76-year old research electrical engineer.  I've been
>> hard-of-seeing all my life, typical acuity of 4/200 until early 2015
>> when I lost useful vision.  I earned the B.S.E.E. in '62, the M.S.E.E.
>> in'63 and the Ph.D. in '77.  When I went to work in '63 an EE was not
>> expected to be overly specialized but to learn the particulars of a
>> problem on the job.  While I had specialized in control systems, in
>> those days it was a broad field encompassing electric machines,
>> electronics, hydraulics, pneumatics, sometimes heat transfer and fluid
>> flow.  In '74 I went to work for a company that wanted an rf engineer,
>> so I became one, designing rf circuits and antennas and arrays for
>> five years.  Before that, I had done general electronics design,
>> control systems analysis for space-borne energy systems, fuel cell
>> controls, and wrote simulation code for a rotary heat transfer system
>> at the back end of a jet engine.  I set up an experiment to show that
>> lead-acid batteries produced gas on both charge and discharge, an
>> important issue for deep-diving research submarines.  While I was
>> teaching in the '80s and '90s I wrote code for a small-vocabulary
>> voice recognition system to run on the '386 processor which is a
>> fixed-point arithmetic rather slow processor by today's standards.
>> The point is, I had continuous job satisfaction to the present day.  I
>> observed in job ads in the '90s that the requirements were getting
>> narrower as time went on, reading more like a poaching ad than a
>> search for real talent.  I think that when a job ceases to offer you
>> interesting work it's time to move on.  Although, in general,
>> management pays more than engineering, I didn't want to go that way,
>> partly because we felt that managers were failed engineers.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Doug Miron
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Donald Winiecki via BlindMath
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 4:05 PM
>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> Cc: Donald Winiecki
>> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] [nfbcs] Science division reach its 2017 STEM
>> scholarship goal
>>
>> *Engineers' job satisfaction not based on salary (routinized work
>> leads to
>> stagnant and dropping job satisfaction)*
>>
>> https://www.jstor.org/stable/689758
>>
>>
>>
>> *Engineers' job satisfaction not substantially-different from Doctors,
>> Lawyers or Teachers (high performance pressures, combined with routinized
>> work leads to progressive decrease in job satisfaction)*
>> http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00300731
>>
>>
>> *Differential job satisfaction by sex*
>>
>>
https://academic.oup.com/sf/article/92/2/723/2235817/What-s-So-Special-about
-STEM-A-Comparison-of-Women
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Non-scientific tally of job-satisfaction ratings (not a representative
>> sample)*
>>
>> http://www.myplan.com/careers/top-ten/highest-job-satisfaction.php
>>
>>
>> *Employment rates & salary per career field, within 4-years of graduation
>> (many STEM fields no better than non-STEM fields) (biggest premium for CS
>> and undefined `engineering` -- note that 4-years is not a very large
>> window
>> for assessing career -- UPENN reports larger window but I can't find the
>> report!)*
>>
>> https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2014/2014141.pdf
>>
>> _don
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Don Winiecki, Ed.D., Ph.D.
>> *Professor of Ethics & Morality in Professional Practice*
>> Boise State University, College of Engineering
>> 1910 University Drive, Mail Stop 2070
>> Boise, Idaho 83725-2070 USA
>> E-mail: dwiniecki at boisestate.edu
>> Telephone: (+01) 208 426 1899
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~d
>>
>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 7:05 PM, William Grussenmeyer via BlindMath <
>> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Good.  I am tired of seeing all those scholarships going to people in
>>> majors like English, social work, and other humanities crap where they
>>> will never find a job.
>>>
>>> On 5/9/17, John Miller via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> > Hello,
>>> >
>>> > Thank you to everyone who has been a part of our successful effort to
>>> > collect donations for a 2017 NFB Science, Technology Engineering, and
>>> > Mathematics (STEM) Scholarship.
>>> > The STEM scholarship will be awarded in the amount of $3000 to a
>>> worthy
>>> > blind student at the 2017 NFB convention.
>>> >
>>> > We have made significant progress towards raising funds for a 2018
>>> STEM
>>> > scholarship as well.
>>> > I want to let you know that we started the 2017 fundraising effort
>>> with
>>> $940
>>> > in the scholarship fund in July 2016.
>>> > At this time we have raised $1565 towards a 2018 STEM scholarship.
>>> > I feel confident that working together we can again award the STEM
>>> > scholarship in 2018.
>>> >
>>> > We know that blind professionals and students are succeeding in
>>> biology,
>>> > chemestry, and natural science.
>>> > We know that blind individuals are performing at a high level in
>>> > mathematics, physics, engineering, and related fields.
>>> > Donations came from blind individuals working in these fields, our
>>> friends,
>>> > and our family.
>>> > This year one corporate donation came from E.A.S.Y. LLC,
>>> > www.easytactilegraphics.com<http://www.easytactilegraphics.com>, an
>>> > organization committed to blind individuals creating technical
>>> drawings
>>> > independently.
>>> >
>>> > I am so grateful to be part of an organization that has a belief in
>>> the
>>> > abilities of blind people and a commitment to helping the next
>>> generation of
>>> > blind students.
>>> > I am also so thankful to those who patiently listened to my pitch
>>> for > the
>>> > scholarship and then generously made it happen.
>>> >
>>> > Very Best,
>>> > John Miller, President
>>> > Science and Engineering Division
>>> > of the National Federation of the Blind
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > nfbcs mailing list
>>> > nfbcs at nfbnet.org
>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org
>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> > nfbcs:
>>> >
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/wdg31415%40gmail.com
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> William Grussenmeyer
>>> PhD Student, Computer Science
>>> University of Nevada, Reno
>>> NSF Fellow
>>>
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