[BlindMath] BlindMath Digest, Vol 130, Issue 7
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> 1. Re: [nfbcs] Science division reach its 2017 STEM scholarship
> goal (John G Heim)
> 2. Re: [nfbcs] Science division reach its 2017 STEM scholarship
> goal (Mike Gorse)
> 3. Re: [nfbcs] Science division reach its 2017 STEM scholarship
> goal (Don Winiecki)
> 4. Re: [nfbcs] Science division reach its 2017 STEM scholarship
> goal (John G Heim)
> 5. Re: [BlMath] [nfbcs] Science division reach its 2017 STEM
> scholarship goal (Cricket X. Bidleman)
> 6. Re: [nfbcs] Science division reach its 2017 STEM scholarship
> goal (Donald Winiecki)
> 7. Re: [nfbcs] Science division reach its 2017 STEM scholarship
> goal (Donald Winiecki)
> 8. Re: [nfbcs] Science division reach its 2017 STEM scholarship
> goal (Doug and Molly Miron)
> 9. Re: [nfbcs] Science division reach its 2017 STEM scholarship
> goal (Dzhovani)
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> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 08:46:23 -0500
> From: John G Heim <jheim at math.wisc.edu>
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> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] [nfbcs] Science division reach its 2017 STEM
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> Don,
>
> First of all, William didn't say anything about the value of a liberal
> arts education. I have a degree in a STEM field and a liberal arts
> education. Those two things are not mutually exclusive. Secondly,
> you've made a lot of unsubstantiated assertions. Where's your data?
> Nobody is going to dispute that people who major in the Humanities
> "usually do find employment" but the question is whether they find
> employment at a rate similar to people who major in STEM fields and if
> they are as well paid. Is it your assertion that people who major in
> History, English, and Fine Arts are as likely to find work and are as
> well paid as those who major in STEM fields?
>
> I think William probably should apologize for referring to the
> Humanities as "crap". But there is nothing wrong with encouraging
> people, especially blind people, to go into STEM fields. There are a lot
> of jobs and the pay is really good.
>
>
> On 05/09/2017 11:21 PM, Donald Winiecki via BlindMath wrote:
>> William,
>> ?
>> It is the case that pop surveys report exactly what you have found in the
>> two URLs offered.
>>
>> However, as a scientist you know that the quality of data is essential to
>> producing any real research.
>>
>> With that in mind, part of the difficulty in tracking employment of
>> graduates per their declared major is that there are often not clear job
>> categories for things like `historian` or `English literature` or `fine
>> arts`. That said, it is the case that graduates of those major fields of
>> study usually do find employment in the general world of work -- often in
>> careers that are not obviously related to their major field of study.
>>
>> So asking someone if they have found work in their college major field of
>> study is actually deceiving if one's goal is to tabulate the worth of
>> college major fields of study. A liberal arts education can actually
>> prepare one for a very wide range of work. The analytic skills required
>> of
>> an English literature or Creative writing student are very valuable when
>> culling through any large set of unstructured data -- the kind of data we
>> find in careers ranging from Marketing to Human Resources to Government
>> Office work to Paralegal and Law Clerks. The amazing time-management and
>> task-juggling skills learned by students of Early Childhood Education are
>> very applicable to work in any fast-paced workplace.
>>
>> When it comes to salary, we could agree that starting salaries for some
>> graduates of STEM fields are higher than those from around campus.
>> However, this is hardly uniform. For example, a large proportion of
>> mathematics graduates seem to find careers in teaching -- and teaching is
>> not considered to be among the highest paying jobs (and there is a high
>> attrition rate among early career teachers). In contrast, enrollees and
>> graduates of law schools often studied undergraduate history and
>> philosophy, and depending on one's special focus, a career in law can be
>> very lucrative.
>>
>> ?I'm sure we can agree that STEM fields are enjoying a `PR boost` at
>> present. I'm also sure we can agree that it is worthwhile offering
>> support
>> to students pursuing careers they have the aptitude and motivation to
>> pursue. If you wish to promote STEM studies and careers to blind and
>> visually impaired students then please work with them to bring them into
>> the fold! That is why I am here in this list, but those aren't the only
>> students who deserve support.
>>
>> The world is not a zero-sum game.
>>
>> _don
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Don Winiecki, Ed.D., Ph.D.
>> *Professor of Ethics & Morality in Professional Practice*
>> Boise State University, College of Engineering
>> 1910 University Drive, Mail Stop 2070
>> Boise, Idaho 83725-2070 USA
>> E-mail: dwiniecki at boisestate.edu
>> Telephone: (+01) 208 426 1899
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~d
>> ?
>>
>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 9:39 PM, William Grussenmeyer <wdg31415 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There are plenty of news stories covering research studies showing
>>> that STEM fields have lower unemployment rates and moreover have
>>> higher pay rates, especially graduate students.
>>>
>>> http://www.sciencemag.org/careers/2015/03/employment-picture
>>> -improving-stem-majors
>>>
>>> https://www.asme.org/career-education/articles/early-career-
>>> engineers/engineering-salaries-on-the-rise
>>>
>>> and look at this news story showing the top 25 highest unemployment
>>> rates for majors:
>>> College majors with the highest unemployment
>>> 1. Clinical psychology 19.5%
>>> 2. Miscellaneous fine arts 16.2%
>>> 3. United States history 15.1%
>>> 4. Library science 15.0%
>>> 5. (tie) Military technologies; educational psychology 10.9%
>>> 6. Architecture 10.6%
>>> 7. Industrial & organizational psychology 10.4%
>>> 8. Miscellaneous psychology 10.3%
>>> 9. Linguistics & comparative literature 10.2%
>>> 10. (tie) Visual & performing arts; engineering & industrial management
>>> 9.2%
>>> 11. Engineering & industrial management 9.2%
>>> 12. Social psychology 8.8%
>>> 13. International business 8.5%
>>> 14. Humanities 8.4%
>>> 15. General social sciences 8.2%
>>> 16. Commercial art & graphic design 8.1%
>>> 17. Studio art 8.0%
>>> 18. Pre-law & legal studies 7.9%
>>> 19. Materials engineering and materials science and composition &
>>> speech (tie) 7.7%
>>> 20. Liberal arts 7.6%
>>> 21. (tie) Fine arts and genetics 7.4%
>>> 22. Film video & photography arts and cosmetology services & culinary
>>> arts (tie) 7.3%
>>> 23. Philosophy & religious studies and neuroscience (tie) 7.2%
>>> 24. Biochemical sciences 7.1%
>>> 25. (tie) Journali
>>>
>>> taken from
>>> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/25-college-majors-with-the-highe
>>> st-unemployment-rates/
>>>
>>> and check out this news story. There are 10 times more tech jobs than
>>> computing majors last year:
>>>
>>> You Probably Should Have Majored in Computer Science
>>>
>>> Quartz, March 10
>>>
>>> If you?re looking for a college major that gives you a great future
>>> job outlook, computer science is still one of the most attractive
>>> options available. There are almost 10 times more U.S. computing jobs
>>> open right now than there were students who graduated with computer
>>> science degrees in 2015. That year, the most recent for which the
>>> National Center for Education Statistics has collected data, about
>>> 60,000 students graduated from U.S. institutions with bachelor degrees
>>> in computer and information services. There are about 530,000
>>> computing jobs currently open, according to Code.org, which used data
>>> from business research association The Conference Board.
>>>
>>> taken from:
>>> https://qz.com/929275/you-probably-should-have-majored-in-
>>> computer-science/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/9/17, Don Winiecki <dwiniecki at boisestate.edu> wrote:
>>>> Hi William,
>>>>
>>>> I am a sociologist who teaches in a College of Engineering. My role is
>>> to
>>>> promote inclusion, diversity and social-justice in engineering. We
>>>> have
>>>> lots of social science data providing substantive evidence that
>>>> students
>>> in
>>>> STEM fields who are not part of the demographic majority (read, white
>>> males)
>>>> face substantive disadvantages leveraged by members of the majority
>>>> demographic.
>>>>
>>>> I am a Principal Investigator on an NSF funded project to
>>>> `Revolutionize
>>>> Engineering Departments` in the directions noted above -- initially
>>> focusing
>>>> on Computer Science. NSF is obviously strongly in favor of
>>>> attempting
>>> to
>>>> reverse the damages to STEM fields by biases of the demographic
>>>> majority
>>> in
>>>> society and in that discipline.
>>>>
>>>> The field of Computer Science is now (finally) waking up to the fact
>>>> that
>>>> their innovations reflect the same biases that plague society in
>>>> general.
>>>> The same Computer Scientists who are researching `algorithmic bias` and
>>> bias
>>>> in machine learning technologies are also strong proponents of
>>>> involving
>>>> members of the social sciences and the humanities in their research, in
>>>> order to take advantage of the real knowledge of social problems they
>>> have
>>>> discovered and documented over several centuries. I myself am working
>>> with
>>>> one of our Data Scientists at Boise State University to write a
>>>> proposal
>>> for
>>>> funding combined social science and data science research to produce
>>>> and
>>>> prototype use of precision agriculture tools.
>>>>
>>>> To be honest, I find your comment to reflect some of the problems that
>>>> I
>>> and
>>>> others are attempting to address in the sciences -- and in Computer
>>> Science
>>>> in particular. I hope you come to realize the influence you have on
>>> others
>>>> in your field and begin to see the value of working to foster inclusive
>>>> transdisciplinary partnerships across all the sciences, arts and
>>>> humanities.
>>>>
>>>> Incidentally, I taught myself FORTRAN, C and Lisp and use them when
>>>> appropriate in my own activities. Computer Science is not just for
>>> computer
>>>> scientists.
>>>>
>>>> PS: If you'd like to provide data to support your claim that humanities
>>> and
>>>> social science graduates are unemployed at a rate higher than in the
>>>> sciences, I'd be happy to see it. My own reviews of those data show
>>>> that
>>>> engineering graduates are not employed at higher rates than other
>>>> majors,
>>>> and in fact in many engineering fields, job satisfaction drops
>>> precipitously
>>>> with time. Research on that latter phenomenon indicates that older
>>> workers
>>>> are often seen as a liability in `high tech` and despite the fact that
>>> they
>>>> were once the developers (perhaps now the maintainers) of our
>>> technological
>>>> infrastructure, they report they are treated poorly in comparison to
>>> those
>>>> in the youthful vanguard -- they feel the industry has cast them aside.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>
>>>> _don
>>>>
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> Don Winiecki, Ed.D., Ph.D.
>>>> Professor of Ethics & Morality in Professional Practice
>>>> Boise State University, College of Engineering
>>>> 1910 University Drive, Boise, Idaho 83725-2070 USA
>>>> E-mail: dwiniecki at boisestate.edu
>>>> Telephone: (+01) 208 426 1899
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ipa
>>>>
>>>>> On May 9, 2017, at 7:05 PM, William Grussenmeyer via BlindMath
>>>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Good. I am tired of seeing all those scholarships going to people in
>>>>> majors like English, social work, and other humanities crap where they
>>>>> will never find a job.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/9/17, John Miller via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you to everyone who has been a part of our successful effort to
>>>>>> collect donations for a 2017 NFB Science, Technology Engineering, and
>>>>>> Mathematics (STEM) Scholarship.
>>>>>> The STEM scholarship will be awarded in the amount of $3000 to a
>>>>>> worthy
>>>>>> blind student at the 2017 NFB convention.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have made significant progress towards raising funds for a 2018
>>>>>> STEM
>>>>>> scholarship as well.
>>>>>> I want to let you know that we started the 2017 fundraising effort
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> $940
>>>>>> in the scholarship fund in July 2016.
>>>>>> At this time we have raised $1565 towards a 2018 STEM scholarship.
>>>>>> I feel confident that working together we can again award the STEM
>>>>>> scholarship in 2018.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We know that blind professionals and students are succeeding in
>>> biology,
>>>>>> chemestry, and natural science.
>>>>>> We know that blind individuals are performing at a high level in
>>>>>> mathematics, physics, engineering, and related fields.
>>>>>> Donations came from blind individuals working in these fields, our
>>>>>> friends,
>>>>>> and our family.
>>>>>> This year one corporate donation came from E.A.S.Y. LLC,
>>>>>> www.easytactilegraphics.com<http://www.easytactilegraphics.com>, an
>>>>>> organization committed to blind individuals creating technical
>>>>>> drawings
>>>>>> independently.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am so grateful to be part of an organization that has a belief in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> abilities of blind people and a commitment to helping the next
>>> generation
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> blind students.
>>>>>> I am also so thankful to those who patiently listened to my pitch for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> scholarship and then generously made it happen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very Best,
>>>>>> John Miller, President
>>>>>> Science and Engineering Division
>>>>>> of the National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> 40gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> William Grussenmeyer
>>>>> PhD Student, Computer Science
>>>>> University of Nevada, Reno
>>>>> NSF Fellow
>>>>>
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>>>
>>> --
>>> William Grussenmeyer
>>> PhD Student, Computer Science
>>> University of Nevada, Reno
>>> NSF Fellow
>>>
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>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 08:59:22 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Mike Gorse <mike at straddlethebox.org>
> To: Donald Winiecki via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] [nfbcs] Science division reach its 2017 STEM
> scholarship goal
> Message-ID: <alpine.LSU.2.20.1705100834520.10328 at straddlethebox.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII
>
> I'm glad that the scholarship was funded. If blind students are interested
> in a STEM field and have the aptitude, then they should be able to study
> it and shouldn't be discouraged. At the same time, if a student has no
> interest in anything STEM-related but feels passionate about, say, helping
> disadvantaged children, then education or social work might be what s/he
> should study. While the prevalence of jobs and expected salaries are
> things that students should consider, their abilities and interests are
> also factors--if a student studies a field that s/he isn't well suited to,
> the s/he may have trouble finding work anyhow.
>
> A friend (who isn't blind) just posted this, while complaining that he was
> encouraged to study biomedical engineering when there are virtually no
> jobs in the field, according to him:
>
> https://medium.com/i-m-h-o/stem-still-no-shortage-c6f6eed505c1
>
> Someone else posted a link to this paper in response, which argues that
> STEM is to heterogeneous to say that there is or isn't a shortage.
>
> https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2015/article/stem-crisis-or-stem-surplus-yes-and-yes.htm
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 07:59:57 -0600
> From: Don Winiecki <dwiniecki at boisestate.edu>
> To: jheim at math.wisc.edu, Blind Math list for those interested in
> mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] [nfbcs] Science division reach its 2017 STEM
> scholarship goal
> Message-ID: <B7DA295A-F664-4AE0-923C-5AE555AAB681 at boisestate.edu>
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>
> I absolutely agree we should do what is necessary to remove barriers to
> access and success in STEM fields for those who wish to pursue that path.
>
> Data to follow.
>
> _don
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Don Winiecki, Ed.D., Ph.D.
> Professor of Ethics & Morality in Professional Practice
> Boise State University, College of Engineering
> 1910 University Drive, Boise, Idaho 83725-2070 USA
> E-mail: dwiniecki at boisestate.edu
> Telephone: (+01) 208 426 1899
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~iph
>
>> On May 10, 2017, at 7:46 AM, John G Heim via BlindMath
>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Don,
>>
>> First of all, William didn't say anything about the value of a liberal
>> arts education. I have a degree in a STEM field and a liberal arts
>> education. Those two things are not mutually exclusive. Secondly, you've
>> made a lot of unsubstantiated assertions. Where's your data? Nobody is
>> going to dispute that people who major in the Humanities "usually do find
>> employment" but the question is whether they find employment at a rate
>> similar to people who major in STEM fields and if they are as well paid.
>> Is it your assertion that people who major in History, English, and Fine
>> Arts are as likely to find work and are as well paid as those who major in
>> STEM fields?
>>
>> I think William probably should apologize for referring to the Humanities
>> as "crap". But there is nothing wrong with encouraging people, especially
>> blind people, to go into STEM fields. There are a lot of jobs and the pay
>> is really good.
>>
>>
>>> On 05/09/2017 11:21 PM, Donald Winiecki via BlindMath wrote:
>>> William,
>>> ?
>>> It is the case that pop surveys report exactly what you have found in
>>> the
>>> two URLs offered.
>>>
>>> However, as a scientist you know that the quality of data is essential
>>> to
>>> producing any real research.
>>>
>>> With that in mind, part of the difficulty in tracking employment of
>>> graduates per their declared major is that there are often not clear job
>>> categories for things like `historian` or `English literature` or `fine
>>> arts`. That said, it is the case that graduates of those major fields
>>> of
>>> study usually do find employment in the general world of work -- often
>>> in
>>> careers that are not obviously related to their major field of study.
>>>
>>> So asking someone if they have found work in their college major field
>>> of
>>> study is actually deceiving if one's goal is to tabulate the worth of
>>> college major fields of study. A liberal arts education can actually
>>> prepare one for a very wide range of work. The analytic skills required
>>> of
>>> an English literature or Creative writing student are very valuable when
>>> culling through any large set of unstructured data -- the kind of data
>>> we
>>> find in careers ranging from Marketing to Human Resources to Government
>>> Office work to Paralegal and Law Clerks. The amazing time-management
>>> and
>>> task-juggling skills learned by students of Early Childhood Education
>>> are
>>> very applicable to work in any fast-paced workplace.
>>>
>>> When it comes to salary, we could agree that starting salaries for some
>>> graduates of STEM fields are higher than those from around campus.
>>> However, this is hardly uniform. For example, a large proportion of
>>> mathematics graduates seem to find careers in teaching -- and teaching
>>> is
>>> not considered to be among the highest paying jobs (and there is a high
>>> attrition rate among early career teachers). In contrast, enrollees and
>>> graduates of law schools often studied undergraduate history and
>>> philosophy, and depending on one's special focus, a career in law can be
>>> very lucrative.
>>>
>>> ?I'm sure we can agree that STEM fields are enjoying a `PR boost` at
>>> present. I'm also sure we can agree that it is worthwhile offering
>>> support
>>> to students pursuing careers they have the aptitude and motivation to
>>> pursue. If you wish to promote STEM studies and careers to blind and
>>> visually impaired students then please work with them to bring them into
>>> the fold! That is why I am here in this list, but those aren't the only
>>> students who deserve support.
>>>
>>> The world is not a zero-sum game.
>>>
>>> _don
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> Don Winiecki, Ed.D., Ph.D.
>>> *Professor of Ethics & Morality in Professional Practice*
>>> Boise State University, College of Engineering
>>> 1910 University Drive, Mail Stop 2070
>>> Boise, Idaho 83725-2070 USA
>>> E-mail: dwiniecki at boisestate.edu
>>> Telephone: (+01) 208 426 1899
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~d
>>> ?
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 9:39 PM, William Grussenmeyer
>>> <wdg31415 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There are plenty of news stories covering research studies showing
>>>> that STEM fields have lower unemployment rates and moreover have
>>>> higher pay rates, especially graduate students.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.sciencemag.org/careers/2015/03/employment-picture
>>>> -improving-stem-majors
>>>>
>>>> https://www.asme.org/career-education/articles/early-career-
>>>> engineers/engineering-salaries-on-the-rise
>>>>
>>>> and look at this news story showing the top 25 highest unemployment
>>>> rates for majors:
>>>> College majors with the highest unemployment
>>>> 1. Clinical psychology 19.5%
>>>> 2. Miscellaneous fine arts 16.2%
>>>> 3. United States history 15.1%
>>>> 4. Library science 15.0%
>>>> 5. (tie) Military technologies; educational psychology 10.9%
>>>> 6. Architecture 10.6%
>>>> 7. Industrial & organizational psychology 10.4%
>>>> 8. Miscellaneous psychology 10.3%
>>>> 9. Linguistics & comparative literature 10.2%
>>>> 10. (tie) Visual & performing arts; engineering & industrial management
>>>> 9.2%
>>>> 11. Engineering & industrial management 9.2%
>>>> 12. Social psychology 8.8%
>>>> 13. International business 8.5%
>>>> 14. Humanities 8.4%
>>>> 15. General social sciences 8.2%
>>>> 16. Commercial art & graphic design 8.1%
>>>> 17. Studio art 8.0%
>>>> 18. Pre-law & legal studies 7.9%
>>>> 19. Materials engineering and materials science and composition &
>>>> speech (tie) 7.7%
>>>> 20. Liberal arts 7.6%
>>>> 21. (tie) Fine arts and genetics 7.4%
>>>> 22. Film video & photography arts and cosmetology services & culinary
>>>> arts (tie) 7.3%
>>>> 23. Philosophy & religious studies and neuroscience (tie) 7.2%
>>>> 24. Biochemical sciences 7.1%
>>>> 25. (tie) Journali
>>>>
>>>> taken from
>>>> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/25-college-majors-with-the-highe
>>>> st-unemployment-rates/
>>>>
>>>> and check out this news story. There are 10 times more tech jobs than
>>>> computing majors last year:
>>>>
>>>> You Probably Should Have Majored in Computer Science
>>>>
>>>> Quartz, March 10
>>>>
>>>> If you?re looking for a college major that gives you a great future
>>>> job outlook, computer science is still one of the most attractive
>>>> options available. There are almost 10 times more U.S. computing jobs
>>>> open right now than there were students who graduated with computer
>>>> science degrees in 2015. That year, the most recent for which the
>>>> National Center for Education Statistics has collected data, about
>>>> 60,000 students graduated from U.S. institutions with bachelor degrees
>>>> in computer and information services. There are about 530,000
>>>> computing jobs currently open, according to Code.org, which used data
>>>> from business research association The Conference Board.
>>>>
>>>> taken from:
>>>> https://qz.com/929275/you-probably-should-have-majored-in-
>>>> computer-science/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/9/17, Don Winiecki <dwiniecki at boisestate.edu> wrote:
>>>>> Hi William,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am a sociologist who teaches in a College of Engineering. My role
>>>>> is
>>>> to
>>>>> promote inclusion, diversity and social-justice in engineering. We
>>>>> have
>>>>> lots of social science data providing substantive evidence that
>>>>> students
>>>> in
>>>>> STEM fields who are not part of the demographic majority (read, white
>>>> males)
>>>>> face substantive disadvantages leveraged by members of the majority
>>>>> demographic.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am a Principal Investigator on an NSF funded project to
>>>>> `Revolutionize
>>>>> Engineering Departments` in the directions noted above -- initially
>>>> focusing
>>>>> on Computer Science. NSF is obviously strongly in favor of
>>>>> attempting
>>>> to
>>>>> reverse the damages to STEM fields by biases of the demographic
>>>>> majority
>>>> in
>>>>> society and in that discipline.
>>>>>
>>>>> The field of Computer Science is now (finally) waking up to the fact
>>>>> that
>>>>> their innovations reflect the same biases that plague society in
>>>>> general.
>>>>> The same Computer Scientists who are researching `algorithmic bias`
>>>>> and
>>>> bias
>>>>> in machine learning technologies are also strong proponents of
>>>>> involving
>>>>> members of the social sciences and the humanities in their research,
>>>>> in
>>>>> order to take advantage of the real knowledge of social problems they
>>>> have
>>>>> discovered and documented over several centuries. I myself am working
>>>> with
>>>>> one of our Data Scientists at Boise State University to write a
>>>>> proposal
>>>> for
>>>>> funding combined social science and data science research to produce
>>>>> and
>>>>> prototype use of precision agriculture tools.
>>>>>
>>>>> To be honest, I find your comment to reflect some of the problems that
>>>>> I
>>>> and
>>>>> others are attempting to address in the sciences -- and in Computer
>>>> Science
>>>>> in particular. I hope you come to realize the influence you have on
>>>> others
>>>>> in your field and begin to see the value of working to foster
>>>>> inclusive
>>>>> transdisciplinary partnerships across all the sciences, arts and
>>>>> humanities.
>>>>>
>>>>> Incidentally, I taught myself FORTRAN, C and Lisp and use them when
>>>>> appropriate in my own activities. Computer Science is not just for
>>>> computer
>>>>> scientists.
>>>>>
>>>>> PS: If you'd like to provide data to support your claim that
>>>>> humanities
>>>> and
>>>>> social science graduates are unemployed at a rate higher than in the
>>>>> sciences, I'd be happy to see it. My own reviews of those data show
>>>>> that
>>>>> engineering graduates are not employed at higher rates than other
>>>>> majors,
>>>>> and in fact in many engineering fields, job satisfaction drops
>>>> precipitously
>>>>> with time. Research on that latter phenomenon indicates that older
>>>> workers
>>>>> are often seen as a liability in `high tech` and despite the fact that
>>>> they
>>>>> were once the developers (perhaps now the maintainers) of our
>>>> technological
>>>>> infrastructure, they report they are treated poorly in comparison to
>>>> those
>>>>> in the youthful vanguard -- they feel the industry has cast them
>>>>> aside.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>
>>>>> _don
>>>>>
>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>> Don Winiecki, Ed.D., Ph.D.
>>>>> Professor of Ethics & Morality in Professional Practice
>>>>> Boise State University, College of Engineering
>>>>> 1910 University Drive, Boise, Idaho 83725-2070 USA
>>>>> E-mail: dwiniecki at boisestate.edu
>>>>> Telephone: (+01) 208 426 1899
>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ipa
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 9, 2017, at 7:05 PM, William Grussenmeyer via BlindMath
>>>>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good. I am tired of seeing all those scholarships going to people in
>>>>>> majors like English, social work, and other humanities crap where
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> will never find a job.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/9/17, John Miller via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you to everyone who has been a part of our successful effort
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> collect donations for a 2017 NFB Science, Technology Engineering,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> Mathematics (STEM) Scholarship.
>>>>>>> The STEM scholarship will be awarded in the amount of $3000 to a
>>>>>>> worthy
>>>>>>> blind student at the 2017 NFB convention.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have made significant progress towards raising funds for a 2018
>>>>>>> STEM
>>>>>>> scholarship as well.
>>>>>>> I want to let you know that we started the 2017 fundraising effort
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> $940
>>>>>>> in the scholarship fund in July 2016.
>>>>>>> At this time we have raised $1565 towards a 2018 STEM scholarship.
>>>>>>> I feel confident that working together we can again award the STEM
>>>>>>> scholarship in 2018.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We know that blind professionals and students are succeeding in
>>>> biology,
>>>>>>> chemestry, and natural science.
>>>>>>> We know that blind individuals are performing at a high level in
>>>>>>> mathematics, physics, engineering, and related fields.
>>>>>>> Donations came from blind individuals working in these fields, our
>>>>>>> friends,
>>>>>>> and our family.
>>>>>>> This year one corporate donation came from E.A.S.Y. LLC,
>>>>>>> www.easytactilegraphics.com<http://www.easytactilegraphics.com>, an
>>>>>>> organization committed to blind individuals creating technical
>>>>>>> drawings
>>>>>>> independently.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am so grateful to be part of an organization that has a belief in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> abilities of blind people and a commitment to helping the next
>>>> generation
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> blind students.
>>>>>>> I am also so thankful to those who patiently listened to my pitch
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> scholarship and then generously made it happen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Very Best,
>>>>>>> John Miller, President
>>>>>>> Science and Engineering Division
>>>>>>> of the National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> nfbcs mailing list
>>>>>>> nfbcs at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> nfbcs:
>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/wdg31415%
>>>> 40gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> William Grussenmeyer
>>>>>> PhD Student, Computer Science
>>>>>> University of Nevada, Reno
>>>>>> NSF Fellow
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> BlindMath mailing list
>>>>>> BlindMath at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindmath_nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>> BlindMath:
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindmath_nfbnet.org/dwini
>>>> ecki%40boisestate.edu
>>>>>> BlindMath Gems can be found at
>>>>>> <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> William Grussenmeyer
>>>> PhD Student, Computer Science
>>>> University of Nevada, Reno
>>>> NSF Fellow
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BlindMath mailing list
>>> BlindMath at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindmath_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> BlindMath:
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>>> BlindMath Gems can be found at
>>> <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
>>>
>>
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>> <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 09:55:34 -0500
> From: John G Heim <jheim at math.wisc.edu>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] [nfbcs] Science division reach its 2017 STEM
> scholarship goal
> Message-ID: <3137db21-359d-0fd4-6e1f-f0996841303e at math.wisc.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
> A site called payscale.com dominates google's pages on which college
> degrees pay the most. No matter what I google, I get hits from their web
> site first. I never heard of it until now. Having said that though,
> their list of highest paying college degrees and highest paying careers
> is very heavily weighted toward STEM fields. Business/management also
> does well. [See links below.] The question of aptitude is a very
> important on, of course. I think I'm going to post separately about that
> though.
>
> http://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report/majors-that-pay-you-back/bachelors
> http://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report/majors-that-pay-you-back/graduate-degrees
>
>
> On 05/10/2017 08:59 AM, Mike Gorse via BlindMath wrote:
>> I'm glad that the scholarship was funded. If blind students are
>> interested in a STEM field and have the aptitude, then they should be
>> able to study it and shouldn't be discouraged. At the same time, if a
>> student has no interest in anything STEM-related but feels passionate
>> about, say, helping disadvantaged children, then education or social
>> work might be what s/he should study. While the prevalence of jobs and
>> expected salaries are things that students should consider, their
>> abilities and interests are also factors--if a student studies a field
>> that s/he isn't well suited to, the s/he may have trouble finding work
>> anyhow.
>>
>> A friend (who isn't blind) just posted this, while complaining that he
>> was encouraged to study biomedical engineering when there are virtually
>> no jobs in the field, according to him:
>>
>> https://medium.com/i-m-h-o/stem-still-no-shortage-c6f6eed505c1
>>
>> Someone else posted a link to this paper in response, which argues that
>> STEM is to heterogeneous to say that there is or isn't a shortage.
>>
>> https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2015/article/stem-crisis-or-stem-surplus-yes-and-yes.htm
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindMath mailing list
>> BlindMath at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindmath_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> BlindMath:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindmath_nfbnet.org/jheim%40math.wisc.edu
>>
>> BlindMath Gems can be found at
>> <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 08:04:29 -0700
> From: "Cricket X. Bidleman" <cricketbidleman at gmail.com>
> To: jheim at math.wisc.edu, Blind Math list for those interested in
> mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] [BlMath] [nfbcs] Science division reach its
> 2017 STEM scholarship goal
> Message-ID:
> <CABP7S8M_K3RYPCC=VFwdD04uFrYD5YO+hniYwEUkNpMCWxkdVQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Can you provide a variety of sources? .com and .org sites generally
> tend to have some sort of bias, as I'm sure all sites do to some
> extent. Can you provide some .edu and .gov links to balance that out?
> I'm typing on a Braille keyboard, so I don't know if that will
> translate correctly. We shall see.
>
> On 5/10/17, John G Heim via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> A site called payscale.com dominates google's pages on which college
>> degrees pay the most. No matter what I google, I get hits from their web
>> site first. I never heard of it until now. Having said that though,
>> their list of highest paying college degrees and highest paying careers
>> is very heavily weighted toward STEM fields. Business/management also
>> does well. [See links below.] The question of aptitude is a very
>> important on, of course. I think I'm going to post separately about that
>> though.
>>
>> http://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report/majors-that-pay-you-back/bachelors
>> http://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report/majors-that-pay-you-back/graduate-degrees
>>
>>
>> On 05/10/2017 08:59 AM, Mike Gorse via BlindMath wrote:
>>> I'm glad that the scholarship was funded. If blind students are
>>> interested in a STEM field and have the aptitude, then they should be
>>> able to study it and shouldn't be discouraged. At the same time, if a
>>> student has no interest in anything STEM-related but feels passionate
>>> about, say, helping disadvantaged children, then education or social
>>> work might be what s/he should study. While the prevalence of jobs and
>>> expected salaries are things that students should consider, their
>>> abilities and interests are also factors--if a student studies a field
>>> that s/he isn't well suited to, the s/he may have trouble finding work
>>> anyhow.
>>>
>>> A friend (who isn't blind) just posted this, while complaining that he
>>> was encouraged to study biomedical engineering when there are virtually
>>> no jobs in the field, according to him:
>>>
>>> https://medium.com/i-m-h-o/stem-still-no-shortage-c6f6eed505c1
>>>
>>> Someone else posted a link to this paper in response, which argues that
>>> STEM is to heterogeneous to say that there is or isn't a shortage.
>>>
>>> https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2015/article/stem-crisis-or-stem-surplus-yes-and-yes.htm
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BlindMath mailing list
>>> BlindMath at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindmath_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> BlindMath:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindmath_nfbnet.org/jheim%40math.wisc.edu
>>>
>>> BlindMath Gems can be found at
>>> <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> BlindMath at nfbnet.org
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>> BlindMath:
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>> BlindMath Gems can be found at
>> <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 09:37:36 -0600
> From: Donald Winiecki <dwiniecki at boisestate.edu>
> To: jheim at math.wisc.edu, Blind Math list for those interested in
> mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] [nfbcs] Science division reach its 2017 STEM
> scholarship goal
> Message-ID:
> <CAOyCyQnph7kdJQaZr86zYPLschE_Xz16jQ81ENvZRaY-+xN2JA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Developers of websites can seed their code with search terms that Google
> then captures and uses in its pagerank algorithm. Savvy website developers
> can do a lot to promote the visibility of their websites in this way. I
> think this is pretty-much expected and state of the art by now. I don't
> know if Google or other search tools do anything to pro-rate websites that
> do such seeding.
>
> The outcome is that a Google (or other) search is not necessarily an
> adequate means to locate reliable data
>
> But I will add my concern over the consideration that pay is the only, or
> the primary, valued attribute of jobs. Research in behavioral psych has
> indicated that above a certain level of compensation, pay is not usually
> considered a rewarding factor.
>
> *Quality of life doesn't come only from salary.*
>
>
> *Of course we're now getting into the shoulders of William's initial
> statements -- as should be the case. It is only when we start looking
> around the issue that we identify what are the factors that allow it to be
> an issue at all.*
> Best,
>
> _don
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Don Winiecki, Ed.D., Ph.D.
> *Professor of Ethics & Morality in Professional Practice*
> Boise State University, College of Engineering
> Dept of Organizational Performance & Workplace Learning (OPWL)
> 1910 University Drive, Mail Stop 2070
> Boise, Idaho 83725-2070 USA
> E-mail: dwiniecki at boisestate.edu
> WWW: http://opwl.boisestate.edu
> Telephone: (+01) 208 426 1899
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~d
>
> On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 8:55 AM, John G Heim via BlindMath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> A site called payscale.com dominates google's pages on which college
>> degrees pay the most. No matter what I google, I get hits from their web
>> site first. I never heard of it until now. Having said that though, their
>> list of highest paying college degrees and highest paying careers is very
>> heavily weighted toward STEM fields. Business/management also does well.
>> [See links below.] The question of aptitude is a very important on, of
>> course. I think I'm going to post separately about that though.
>>
>> http://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report/majors-that-
>> pay-you-back/bachelors
>> http://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report/majors-that-
>> pay-you-back/graduate-degrees
>>
>>
>> On 05/10/2017 08:59 AM, Mike Gorse via BlindMath wrote:
>>
>>> I'm glad that the scholarship was funded. If blind students are
>>> interested in a STEM field and have the aptitude, then they should be
>>> able to study it and shouldn't be discouraged. At the same time, if a
>>> student has no interest in anything STEM-related but feels passionate
>>> about, say, helping disadvantaged children, then education or social
>>> work might be what s/he should study. While the prevalence of jobs and
>>> expected salaries are things that students should consider, their
>>> abilities and interests are also factors--if a student studies a field
>>> that s/he isn't well suited to, the s/he may have trouble finding work
>>> anyhow.
>>>
>>> A friend (who isn't blind) just posted this, while complaining that he
>>> was encouraged to study biomedical engineering when there are virtually
>>> no jobs in the field, according to him:
>>>
>>> https://medium.com/i-m-h-o/stem-still-no-shortage-c6f6eed505c1
>>>
>>> Someone else posted a link to this paper in response, which argues that
>>> STEM is to heterogeneous to say that there is or isn't a shortage.
>>>
>>> https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2015/article/stem-crisis-or-ste
>>> m-surplus-yes-and-yes.htm
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BlindMath mailing list
>>> BlindMath at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindmath_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> BlindMath:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindmath_nfbnet.org/jheim
>>> %40math.wisc.edu
>>>
>>> BlindMath Gems can be found at
>>> <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> BlindMath:
>>
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindmath_nfbnet.org/dwini
>> ecki%40boisestate.edu
>> BlindMath Gems can be found at <http://www.blindscience.org/b
>> lindmath-gems-home>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 15:05:47 -0600
> From: Donald Winiecki <dwiniecki at boisestate.edu>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] [nfbcs] Science division reach its 2017 STEM
> scholarship goal
> Message-ID:
> <CAOyCyQnR=guY=8r6vu8EpAqs56+veFeyC6vK8s6+HCOXOST+fA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> *Engineers' job satisfaction not based on salary (routinized work leads to
> stagnant and dropping job satisfaction)*
>
> https://www.jstor.org/stable/689758
>
>
>
> *Engineers' job satisfaction not substantially-different from Doctors,
> Lawyers or Teachers (high performance pressures, combined with routinized
> work leads to progressive decrease in job satisfaction)*
> http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00300731
>
>
> *Differential job satisfaction by sex*
>
> https://academic.oup.com/sf/article/92/2/723/2235817/What-s-So-Special-about-STEM-A-Comparison-of-Women
>
>
> *Non-scientific tally of job-satisfaction ratings (not a representative
> sample)*
>
> http://www.myplan.com/careers/top-ten/highest-job-satisfaction.php
>
>
> *Employment rates & salary per career field, within 4-years of graduation
> (many STEM fields no better than non-STEM fields) (biggest premium for CS
> and undefined `engineering` -- note that 4-years is not a very large window
> for assessing career -- UPENN reports larger window but I can't find the
> report!)*
>
> https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2014/2014141.pdf
>
> _don
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Don Winiecki, Ed.D., Ph.D.
> *Professor of Ethics & Morality in Professional Practice*
> Boise State University, College of Engineering
> 1910 University Drive, Mail Stop 2070
> Boise, Idaho 83725-2070 USA
> E-mail: dwiniecki at boisestate.edu
> Telephone: (+01) 208 426 1899
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~d
>
> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 7:05 PM, William Grussenmeyer via BlindMath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Good. I am tired of seeing all those scholarships going to people in
>> majors like English, social work, and other humanities crap where they
>> will never find a job.
>>
>> On 5/9/17, John Miller via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > Thank you to everyone who has been a part of our successful effort to
>> > collect donations for a 2017 NFB Science, Technology Engineering, and
>> > Mathematics (STEM) Scholarship.
>> > The STEM scholarship will be awarded in the amount of $3000 to a worthy
>> > blind student at the 2017 NFB convention.
>> >
>> > We have made significant progress towards raising funds for a 2018 STEM
>> > scholarship as well.
>> > I want to let you know that we started the 2017 fundraising effort with
>> $940
>> > in the scholarship fund in July 2016.
>> > At this time we have raised $1565 towards a 2018 STEM scholarship.
>> > I feel confident that working together we can again award the STEM
>> > scholarship in 2018.
>> >
>> > We know that blind professionals and students are succeeding in
>> > biology,
>> > chemestry, and natural science.
>> > We know that blind individuals are performing at a high level in
>> > mathematics, physics, engineering, and related fields.
>> > Donations came from blind individuals working in these fields, our
>> friends,
>> > and our family.
>> > This year one corporate donation came from E.A.S.Y. LLC,
>> > www.easytactilegraphics.com<http://www.easytactilegraphics.com>, an
>> > organization committed to blind individuals creating technical drawings
>> > independently.
>> >
>> > I am so grateful to be part of an organization that has a belief in the
>> > abilities of blind people and a commitment to helping the next
>> generation of
>> > blind students.
>> > I am also so thankful to those who patiently listened to my pitch for
>> > the
>> > scholarship and then generously made it happen.
>> >
>> > Very Best,
>> > John Miller, President
>> > Science and Engineering Division
>> > of the National Federation of the Blind
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > nfbcs mailing list
>> > nfbcs at nfbnet.org
>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org
>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> > nfbcs:
>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/wdg31415%40gmail.com
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> William Grussenmeyer
>> PhD Student, Computer Science
>> University of Nevada, Reno
>> NSF Fellow
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindMath mailing list
>> BlindMath at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindmath_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> BlindMath:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindmath_nfbnet.org/
>> dwiniecki%40boisestate.edu
>> BlindMath Gems can be found at <http://www.blindscience.org/
>> blindmath-gems-home>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 21:37:25 -0500
> From: "Doug and Molly Miron" <mndmrn at hbci.com>
> To: "Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics"
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] [nfbcs] Science division reach its 2017 STEM
> scholarship goal
> Message-ID: <ECB21F6B2EF2448DA2D74EA77179E0F3 at DESKTOPBGKNB8Q>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Good day all,
>
> I am a 76-year old research electrical engineer. I've been hard-of-seeing
> all my life, typical acuity of 4/200 until early 2015 when I lost useful
> vision. I earned the B.S.E.E. in '62, the M.S.E.E. in'63 and the Ph.D. in
> '77. When I went to work in '63 an EE was not expected to be overly
> specialized but to learn the particulars of a problem on the job. While I
> had specialized in control systems, in those days it was a broad field
> encompassing electric machines, electronics, hydraulics, pneumatics,
> sometimes heat transfer and fluid flow. In '74 I went to work for a company
>
> that wanted an rf engineer, so I became one, designing rf circuits and
> antennas and arrays for five years. Before that, I had done general
> electronics design, control systems analysis for space-borne energy systems,
>
> fuel cell controls, and wrote simulation code for a rotary heat transfer
> system at the back end of a jet engine. I set up an experiment to show that
>
> lead-acid batteries produced gas on both charge and discharge, an important
>
> issue for deep-diving research submarines. While I was teaching in the '80s
>
> and '90s I wrote code for a small-vocabulary voice recognition system to run
>
> on the '386 processor which is a fixed-point arithmetic rather slow
> processor by today's standards. The point is, I had continuous job
> satisfaction to the present day. I observed in job ads in the '90s that the
>
> requirements were getting narrower as time went on, reading more like a
> poaching ad than a search for real talent. I think that when a job ceases
> to offer you interesting work it's time to move on. Although, in general,
> management pays more than engineering, I didn't want to go that way, partly
>
> because we felt that managers were failed engineers.
>
> Regards,
> Doug Miron
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Donald Winiecki via BlindMath
> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 4:05 PM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Cc: Donald Winiecki
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] [nfbcs] Science division reach its 2017 STEM
> scholarship goal
>
> *Engineers' job satisfaction not based on salary (routinized work leads to
> stagnant and dropping job satisfaction)*
>
> https://www.jstor.org/stable/689758
>
>
>
> *Engineers' job satisfaction not substantially-different from Doctors,
> Lawyers or Teachers (high performance pressures, combined with routinized
> work leads to progressive decrease in job satisfaction)*
> http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00300731
>
>
> *Differential job satisfaction by sex*
>
> https://academic.oup.com/sf/article/92/2/723/2235817/What-s-So-Special-about-STEM-A-Comparison-of-Women
>
>
> *Non-scientific tally of job-satisfaction ratings (not a representative
> sample)*
>
> http://www.myplan.com/careers/top-ten/highest-job-satisfaction.php
>
>
> *Employment rates & salary per career field, within 4-years of graduation
> (many STEM fields no better than non-STEM fields) (biggest premium for CS
> and undefined `engineering` -- note that 4-years is not a very large window
> for assessing career -- UPENN reports larger window but I can't find the
> report!)*
>
> https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2014/2014141.pdf
>
> _don
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Don Winiecki, Ed.D., Ph.D.
> *Professor of Ethics & Morality in Professional Practice*
> Boise State University, College of Engineering
> 1910 University Drive, Mail Stop 2070
> Boise, Idaho 83725-2070 USA
> E-mail: dwiniecki at boisestate.edu
> Telephone: (+01) 208 426 1899
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~d
>
> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 7:05 PM, William Grussenmeyer via BlindMath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Good. I am tired of seeing all those scholarships going to people in
>> majors like English, social work, and other humanities crap where they
>> will never find a job.
>>
>> On 5/9/17, John Miller via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > Thank you to everyone who has been a part of our successful effort to
>> > collect donations for a 2017 NFB Science, Technology Engineering, and
>> > Mathematics (STEM) Scholarship.
>> > The STEM scholarship will be awarded in the amount of $3000 to a worthy
>> > blind student at the 2017 NFB convention.
>> >
>> > We have made significant progress towards raising funds for a 2018 STEM
>> > scholarship as well.
>> > I want to let you know that we started the 2017 fundraising effort with
>> $940
>> > in the scholarship fund in July 2016.
>> > At this time we have raised $1565 towards a 2018 STEM scholarship.
>> > I feel confident that working together we can again award the STEM
>> > scholarship in 2018.
>> >
>> > We know that blind professionals and students are succeeding in
>> > biology,
>> > chemestry, and natural science.
>> > We know that blind individuals are performing at a high level in
>> > mathematics, physics, engineering, and related fields.
>> > Donations came from blind individuals working in these fields, our
>> friends,
>> > and our family.
>> > This year one corporate donation came from E.A.S.Y. LLC,
>> > www.easytactilegraphics.com<http://www.easytactilegraphics.com>, an
>> > organization committed to blind individuals creating technical drawings
>> > independently.
>> >
>> > I am so grateful to be part of an organization that has a belief in the
>> > abilities of blind people and a commitment to helping the next
>> generation of
>> > blind students.
>> > I am also so thankful to those who patiently listened to my pitch for
>> > the
>> > scholarship and then generously made it happen.
>> >
>> > Very Best,
>> > John Miller, President
>> > Science and Engineering Division
>> > of the National Federation of the Blind
>> > _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>> --
>> William Grussenmeyer
>> PhD Student, Computer Science
>> University of Nevada, Reno
>> NSF Fellow
>>
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> Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 07:23:39 +0300
> From: Dzhovani <dzhovani.chemishanov at gmail.com>
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] [nfbcs] Science division reach its 2017 STEM
> scholarship goal
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> Hi all,
>
> I'm not quite sure if this argument actually makes sense. Someone
> complained that humanitarian majors are not worth it, someone else
> trying to bring down stem fields...
>
> I'm software developer and I am happy one so far. However, I have the
> time to develop because my boss don't bother me with much of the
> paperwork, because the finance team handle invoicing and lots of legal
> stuff and because there is a number of people who clean and maintain the
> office so that it is a nice place to work. It is a big world and it
> takes all kind of people to run it.
>
> The problem with the humanitarian fields is that many people think
> that they can bs their way in such major and sell themselves as
> university-educated. This is also known as "I don't know what I want to
> do with my life". Yep, quantifiable measurements are hard to apply
> there, however, the majors are not the problem, but the people who want
> to cheat the system and end up unemployed.
>
> PS: A last one, I've seen such awful code in production that bs-ing in
> university is the only possible explanation no matter that this is
> stem-like field.
>
> Dzhovani
>
> On 11.5.2017 ?. 5:37, Doug and Molly Miron via BlindMath wrote:
>> Good day all,
>>
>> I am a 76-year old research electrical engineer. I've been
>> hard-of-seeing all my life, typical acuity of 4/200 until early 2015
>> when I lost useful vision. I earned the B.S.E.E. in '62, the M.S.E.E.
>> in'63 and the Ph.D. in '77. When I went to work in '63 an EE was not
>> expected to be overly specialized but to learn the particulars of a
>> problem on the job. While I had specialized in control systems, in
>> those days it was a broad field encompassing electric machines,
>> electronics, hydraulics, pneumatics, sometimes heat transfer and fluid
>> flow. In '74 I went to work for a company that wanted an rf engineer,
>> so I became one, designing rf circuits and antennas and arrays for
>> five years. Before that, I had done general electronics design,
>> control systems analysis for space-borne energy systems, fuel cell
>> controls, and wrote simulation code for a rotary heat transfer system
>> at the back end of a jet engine. I set up an experiment to show that
>> lead-acid batteries produced gas on both charge and discharge, an
>> important issue for deep-diving research submarines. While I was
>> teaching in the '80s and '90s I wrote code for a small-vocabulary
>> voice recognition system to run on the '386 processor which is a
>> fixed-point arithmetic rather slow processor by today's standards.
>> The point is, I had continuous job satisfaction to the present day. I
>> observed in job ads in the '90s that the requirements were getting
>> narrower as time went on, reading more like a poaching ad than a
>> search for real talent. I think that when a job ceases to offer you
>> interesting work it's time to move on. Although, in general,
>> management pays more than engineering, I didn't want to go that way,
>> partly because we felt that managers were failed engineers.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Doug Miron
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Donald Winiecki via BlindMath
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 4:05 PM
>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> Cc: Donald Winiecki
>> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] [nfbcs] Science division reach its 2017 STEM
>> scholarship goal
>>
>> *Engineers' job satisfaction not based on salary (routinized work
>> leads to
>> stagnant and dropping job satisfaction)*
>>
>> https://www.jstor.org/stable/689758
>>
>>
>>
>> *Engineers' job satisfaction not substantially-different from Doctors,
>> Lawyers or Teachers (high performance pressures, combined with routinized
>> work leads to progressive decrease in job satisfaction)*
>> http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00300731
>>
>>
>> *Differential job satisfaction by sex*
>>
>> https://academic.oup.com/sf/article/92/2/723/2235817/What-s-So-Special-about-STEM-A-Comparison-of-Women
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Non-scientific tally of job-satisfaction ratings (not a representative
>> sample)*
>>
>> http://www.myplan.com/careers/top-ten/highest-job-satisfaction.php
>>
>>
>> *Employment rates & salary per career field, within 4-years of graduation
>> (many STEM fields no better than non-STEM fields) (biggest premium for CS
>> and undefined `engineering` -- note that 4-years is not a very large
>> window
>> for assessing career -- UPENN reports larger window but I can't find the
>> report!)*
>>
>> https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2014/2014141.pdf
>>
>> _don
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Don Winiecki, Ed.D., Ph.D.
>> *Professor of Ethics & Morality in Professional Practice*
>> Boise State University, College of Engineering
>> 1910 University Drive, Mail Stop 2070
>> Boise, Idaho 83725-2070 USA
>> E-mail: dwiniecki at boisestate.edu
>> Telephone: (+01) 208 426 1899
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~d
>>
>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 7:05 PM, William Grussenmeyer via BlindMath <
>> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Good. I am tired of seeing all those scholarships going to people in
>>> majors like English, social work, and other humanities crap where they
>>> will never find a job.
>>>
>>> On 5/9/17, John Miller via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> > Hello,
>>> >
>>> > Thank you to everyone who has been a part of our successful effort to
>>> > collect donations for a 2017 NFB Science, Technology Engineering, and
>>> > Mathematics (STEM) Scholarship.
>>> > The STEM scholarship will be awarded in the amount of $3000 to a
>>> worthy
>>> > blind student at the 2017 NFB convention.
>>> >
>>> > We have made significant progress towards raising funds for a 2018
>>> STEM
>>> > scholarship as well.
>>> > I want to let you know that we started the 2017 fundraising effort
>>> with
>>> $940
>>> > in the scholarship fund in July 2016.
>>> > At this time we have raised $1565 towards a 2018 STEM scholarship.
>>> > I feel confident that working together we can again award the STEM
>>> > scholarship in 2018.
>>> >
>>> > We know that blind professionals and students are succeeding in
>>> biology,
>>> > chemestry, and natural science.
>>> > We know that blind individuals are performing at a high level in
>>> > mathematics, physics, engineering, and related fields.
>>> > Donations came from blind individuals working in these fields, our
>>> friends,
>>> > and our family.
>>> > This year one corporate donation came from E.A.S.Y. LLC,
>>> > www.easytactilegraphics.com<http://www.easytactilegraphics.com>, an
>>> > organization committed to blind individuals creating technical
>>> drawings
>>> > independently.
>>> >
>>> > I am so grateful to be part of an organization that has a belief in
>>> the
>>> > abilities of blind people and a commitment to helping the next
>>> generation of
>>> > blind students.
>>> > I am also so thankful to those who patiently listened to my pitch
>>> for > the
>>> > scholarship and then generously made it happen.
>>> >
>>> > Very Best,
>>> > John Miller, President
>>> > Science and Engineering Division
>>> > of the National Federation of the Blind
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > nfbcs mailing list
>>> > nfbcs at nfbnet.org
>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org
>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> > nfbcs:
>>> >
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/wdg31415%40gmail.com
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> William Grussenmeyer
>>> PhD Student, Computer Science
>>> University of Nevada, Reno
>>> NSF Fellow
>>>
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