[BlindMath] Giving presentations
Łukasz Grabowski
graboluk at gmail.com
Wed Oct 11 19:01:21 UTC 2017
Jonathan, actually my point about using both source and compiled
version at the same time was that with any sort of more advanced
mathematics reading source code would be faster for the lecturer than
reading compiled version. Imagine for example large multiple integral
over complicated domain etc. - the lecturer obviously will not remember
it exactly, but probably would like to read it out loud in proper
fashion (i.e. not like NVDA does it) for the student. So then he would
read it in the source code version for himself, then say it out loud,
while the students look at the compiled version.
Of course in other subjects this sort of things might not be necessary
but I think as a mathematics lecturer I would personally like to be
able to read the latex code during the lecture.
Best,
Lukasz
On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 18:53:31 +0000
"Godfrey, Jonathan via BlindMath" <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Lukasz/Jason,
>
> This is dangerously close to re-inventing the wheel.
>
> Jason is right: use of markdown to create HTML does make use of
> MathJax (or can to be perfectly specific) so the finished product for
> the audience is accessible to the speaker. This obviates the need to
> have two documents to track, whether the speaker's notes be in
> hardcopy or on a second device.
>
> Slidey is a presentation format that has the best of HTML and adds
> slide transitions etc as per a standard presentation.
>
> Lukasz: If you are suggesting someone write up LaTeX in a classroom
> situation for instant display, then it is interesting, but hardly
> practical for anything but the simplest things. In my experience, no
> one types up LaTeX sufficiently quickly or accurately to do this for
> more than one or two items per class. Students do not want to sit
> around watching the speaker perfect their slides, which should have
> been done before class.
>
> Jason: I am interested in knowing what editors you are referring to.
> I've not seen any editor to date that is any better than the editor I
> wrote for my own use (beta testers welcome, but you must use R; write
> off-list)
>
>
> Also note, There is the LEAN editor for Word which has been described
> on this list previously.
>
> Cheers,
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Lukasz Grabowski via BlindMath Sent: Thursday, 12 October 2017 7:01
> a.m. To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Łukasz Grabowski
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Giving presentations
>
> Following on Jason's idea, one could prepare markdown files 1.txt,
> 2.txt, each of them would have exactly one slide, you would open them
> in separate tabs of a text editor on one computer, on the other
> computer you would have for example mathml version opened in browser,
> made in such a way that you can use single shortcut to switch to next
> slide (i.e. at the bottom of say 1.txt you would add a link to 2.html
> and use CSS to add shortcut to it - it may sound like a lot of work
> but it actually isn't at all).
>
> The only disadvantege is that you would have to change to next slide
> both on both computers, but I think it could work (or it could be a
> starting point).
>
> Best,
> Lukasz
>
>
> On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:49:22 +0000
> "White, Jason J via BlindMath" <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > With Markdown and Pandoc, you should be able to generate MathML
> > content within the HTML - accessible both to screen readers and
> > visually via browsers that support MathML (or browsers that don't
> > but which can run scripts such as MathJax). There's at least one
> > accessible interactive mathematics editor, but there aren't readily
> > available and well established solutions to the problem of
> > interactive entry/editing of mathematical content.
> >
> > Another possibility might be an editor that shows LaTeX in one
> > window and the rendered PDF in another - as long as the PDF can
> > automatically be scrolled to keep up with the editing, and
> > refreshed easily as changes are made.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > > Of Godfrey, Jonathan via BlindMath
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:28 PM
> > > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > > <blindmath at nfbnet.org> Cc: Godfrey, Jonathan
> > > <A.J.Godfrey at massey.ac.nz> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Giving
> > > presentations
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Beamer is using a pdf so screen readers can't process the content
> > > any better than any other pdf created using LaTeX. I've seen
> > > several blind people use it, but they've needed to have an
> > > extensive set of notes with the slide content for themselves.
> > > I've never given it serious consideration as a tool that works
> > > well for blind people, and aside from a few test documents as
> > > part of my own experimentation, I've never created a real
> > > presentation using beamer.
> > >
> > > I have used power point quite successfully, and still do if the
> > > material from old courses is what I need to cover in a current
> > > class. I needed to add alt tags to the graphics that were the
> > > equations and several other modifications, but the slide show was
> > > self-contained for me and the students alike. I have not created
> > > a new power point for at least three years . In fact, I'm
> > > struggling to work out when I last did so. I always relied on
> > > sighted support to ensure the slide shows were good enough for
> > > the audience.
> > >
> > > I now use markdown to generate HTML. The content can be rendered
> > > as a single long HTML document which I wander down just like any
> > > other document, or I can turn it into a slidey presentation which
> > > has proven quite accessible thus far.
> > >
> > > My primary reason for using markdown was the fact that I can
> > > incorporate graphics and text output from R, but I would now do
> > > so even if the presentation had no R content in it. My reasons
> > > are mostly accessibility related. I know the math content is read
> > > to me and I can move around my document quickly and effectively
> > > with my screen reader. Being HTML means that if the students at
> > > the back want the font larger, I can deliver that with the press
> > > of a couple of keys. My reliance of sighted support has
> > > diminished as a consequence. I have needed to get advice on the
> > > suitability of some graphics for their readability but the rest
> > > is now done by me alone.
> > >
> > > With respect to writing on the board:
> > >
> > > I do it, but my writing is as untidy as anyone else's can get. I
> > > always read what I'm writing as I write it. On a single board, I
> > > use perhaps four lines of content with each line being quite
> > > large. Writing large means mistakes of an inch are relatively
> > > minor in comparison to the "font" size. I only need to keep track
> > > of how many lines I have written thus far, which aren't going to
> > > be that many in a stats course anyway. Copious equations would be
> > > in the slides and not on the board.
> > >
> > > I also use every board the room has to offer. Perhaps the job I
> > > have the most trouble with is the re-using of a board. My wiping
> > > skills are sometimes lacking and occasionally it feels like my
> > > thorough wiping endeavours are more of a gym work out than ought
> > > to be the case. I do ask the class if the board is clean enough
> > > fairly often.
> > >
> > > Jonathan
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > > Of Lukasz Grabowski via BlindMath
> > > Sent: Thursday, 12 October 2017 3:14 a.m.
> > > To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> > > Cc: Łukasz Grabowski
> > > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Giving presentations
> > >
> > > Maybe a naive question: why would beamer class in latex commonly
> > > used by mathematics lecturers be unsuitable?
> > >
> > > Lukasz
> > >
> > > On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:57:58 -0400
> > > Aqil Sajjad via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > What do people use for giving lectures or presentations
> > > > involving math, especially where you may also need to write
> > > > some equations live while talking, as a sighted person would do
> > > > on a board? Also, how is chatty infty for giving presentations?
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