[BlindMath] Nemeth Code

Mon Oct 30 22:02:16 UTC 2017

Nicholas:

I looked a while back for the company that made Nemetex and couldn't find info on what happened to the company or the product.  Here's a bit of info on the developer of Nemetex
Nicole Torcolini
https://news.cs.washington.edu/2013/08/01/uw-cse-accesscomputing-alumna-nicole-torcolini-profiled-by-ncwit/

Other alternatives for Braille input include Braille notetakers such as the BrailleNote and Apex.

As Sarah indicated, it's also not just a matter of what tools support Nemeth, but also the level of math they support   When I last communicated with Nicole on the Nemetex product, she indicated that it was recommended only through basic calculus with small to medium sized documents.

You may also want to check out Lean Math.  This page has some links.
http://access2science.com/indexAccessibility.html

Todd Schwanke
UW-Madison

-----Original Message-----
From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sarah Jevnikar via BlindMath
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Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Nemeth Code

I may be misinterpreting what I'd heard. The coder is a she; hopefully she'll get in touch. 

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From: kperry at blinksoft.com [mailto:kperry at blinksoft.com]
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Subject: RE: [BlindMath] Nemeth Code

As a coder.  I have to disagree with the statement that Java and windows
were not compatible.   I would be interested in talking to the coder of
Nemetex if he is hanging around.

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Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Nemeth Code

Hi again,
My understanding with Nemetex was that Java and Windows were becoming increasingly incompatible, and they regretfully had to stop selling it. It's unfortunate, as translating Nemeth to text isn't readily available for advanced math.

Anyway, to Nicholas's question. You have NVDA, which I assume you're using with Math Player. You may wish to get Math Type as well, as it can be helpful.

Unfortunately, there isn't a Braille-in way to translate Nemeth to print, as there is for literary Braille using either JAWS or NVDA. There are a few work-arounds.

There is a way to translate Nemeth to print math using Duxbury; let me know if you have this software. It works well, but not yet for advanced math beyond the high school level, and there are a few tricks to it.

Learning LaTeX is a good idea - it's a typesetting language that's text-based and will allow you to create nicely-formatted documents. I wouldn't recommend it for your own notes though, as it can be a bit clunky and verbose for everyday reading, but for assignments and for anything a sighted person would have to read, it's essential.

As Susan suggested, you can type it into Notepad for your own notes, so long as you make sure you're not typing with contracted input on. This would look like gibberish to a sighted reader, but would allow you to have readable Braille math for your own reference.

I appreciate this is not entirely what you're looking for, but at least it will give you a start.
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From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicholas J via BlindMath
Sent: October 29, 2017 7:33 PM
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
Cc: Nicholas J
Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Nemeth Code

Hello,

I forgot to mention that I also use NVDA as a screen reader with most math.
I use Jaws with xhtml files I can open in a browser. I usually like to type the most on the braille display I use.

Thank you,
Nicholas

> On Oct 29, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Derek Scott Riemer
<Derek.Riemer at colorado.edu> wrote:
> 
> There is nemetex,  but I can't find the website anymore. Wonder if the
author just decided not to continue work on it and took it down?
> 
>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Nicholas J via BlindMath
<blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Thank you for the email Sarah. I use both Jaws and braille. I am
relatively new to braille, but I have a Focus 14 braille display that I use often. I am looking to type and read math, if possible on both a windows computer and IOS device. I would like to type notes and also do homework having a lot of math content.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Nicholas
>> 
>> 
>> > On Oct 29, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Sarah Jevnikar 
>> > <sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com>
wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi there,
>> > Just for clarification, are you looking to use print math and 
>> > create math in Nemeth code, or are you a Nemeth code user looking 
>> > for a way to use it on a mainstream PC? Do you use a screen reader 
>> > or Braille display?  Or are your goals something else entirely? :) 
>> > This will help I/we give you more helpful answers.
>> > Thank you,
>> > Sarah
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> > Nicholas J via BlindMath
>> > Sent: October 28, 2017 9:59 AM
>> > To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
>> > Cc: Nicholas J
>> > Subject: [BlindMath] Nemeth Code
>> >
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > Is it possible to type nemeth code on a windows machine like in 
>> > Microsoft Word? If not, where is it possible to type nemeth code?
>> >
>> > Thank you,
>> > Nicholas
>> >
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