[BlindMath] BlindMath Digest, Vol 134, Issue 1
tolga karatas
tolga.karatas2014 at gmail.com
Sat Sep 9 12:06:12 UTC 2017
all;
LaTEX does with Jasws;
their is a tex editor called winshell web link is as follows;
www.winshell.de or:
www.winshell.org
this LaTEX editor does with Jaws; however; as a precaution; I would
not recommend TEXStudio due to Jaws not being able to access the
editor;
If you need more info; please email me off list; then I can give you more info;
Regards;
Tolga;
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> 1. Accessibility for Stats courses (Sweeney, Hope)
> 2. Re: Accessibility for Stats courses (Sarah Jevnikar)
> 3. Re: Accessibility for Stats courses (George Bell)
> 4. Re: Accessibility for Stats courses (Godfrey, Jonathan)
> 5. Re: Accessibility for Stats courses (Sabra Ewing)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 09:49:07 -0400
> From: "Sweeney, Hope" <sweenehm at miamioh.edu>
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [BlindMath] Accessibility for Stats courses
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> Good Morning,
> I am currently working with several students taking undergrad and grad
> level statistics courses. We've sent the books to a third party vendor for
> accessible format but are working to ensure accessibility in day to day
> classes and other materials for the classes. R and RStudio are being used-
> we are attempting to work with Braille R but I have nothing conclusive
> there yet. As far as day to day class time, I found information on
> MathType being able to work with hand written equations and an App called
> IDEALMath that works the same. I am hoping someone has a process they
> utilize that works well to ensure complete accessibility. What absolutely
> hasn't worked so you've scrapped and/or had faculty scrap?
>
> Regards,
> Hope Sweeney
>
> *Student Disability Services *
>
> Hope M. Sweeney, MA
> Accommodations Coordinator
> Office of Student Disability Services
> Shriver Center Rm. 304
> Oxford, OH. 45056
> (513) 529-1541 Office (513) 529-8595 Fax
> *PGP: She, Her, Hers*
>
> *Input-Connectedness-Intellection-Achiever-Empathy*
>
>
>
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>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 13:19:26 -0400
> From: "Sarah Jevnikar" <sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com>
> To: "'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'"
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: "'Sweeney, Hope'" <sweenehm at miamioh.edu>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Accessibility for Stats courses
> Message-ID: <59b2d11f.d80c6b0a.64702.741b at mx.google.com>
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>
> Hi there,
> It looks like you've done lots of good research here; your students are
> lucky to have you. :)
>
> Are all your students Braille readers and writers? What screen reading (if
> any) tools do they typically use?
>
> Instructor slides can be a challenge, but if they use LaTeX, this can be
> translated into Braille using Duxbury, or spoken math using Math Type, Math
> player, Microsoft Word, and NVDA. I'm not sure how well this works with
> JAWS. This will not, of course, fix the problem of instructors not reading
> what they're writing on the board; that is still a matter of persuasion.
>
> When you say accessible format for textbooks, what do you mean? I've had
> great success with Nemeth code texts (either as electronic Braille in .brf
> format or in hard-copy Braille) but mixed results with math ml files (in
> .xml format) when opened in Firefox with NVDA and Math Player. When the
> files would open, the math was spoken well but did not always appear on a
> Braille display.
>
> I remember R working well (I've recently been using Stata) but your students
> should get used to using command lines and text logs of their output.
>
> Learning LaTeX on their part will go a long way to making their math output
> easier for sighted instructors and graders to read. There are good pieces of
> software (Nemetex and Duxbury) that translate Braille math to print, but
> both only use Nemeth rather than UEB math and the latter (Duxbury) is still
> experimental.
>
> What do you mean by Math Type working with handwriting? I've never come
> across this before and am intrigued.
>
> I hope this is somewhat helpful
>
> Sarah Jevnikar
> BA Economics and International Relations 2017
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sweeney,
> Hope via BlindMath
> Sent: September 8, 2017 9:49 AM
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Sweeney, Hope
> Subject: [BlindMath] Accessibility for Stats courses
>
> Good Morning,
> I am currently working with several students taking undergrad and grad level
> statistics courses. We've sent the books to a third party vendor for
> accessible format but are working to ensure accessibility in day to day
> classes and other materials for the classes. R and RStudio are being used-
> we are attempting to work with Braille R but I have nothing conclusive there
> yet. As far as day to day class time, I found information on MathType being
> able to work with hand written equations and an App called IDEALMath that
> works the same. I am hoping someone has a process they utilize that works
> well to ensure complete accessibility. What absolutely hasn't worked so
> you've scrapped and/or had faculty scrap?
>
> Regards,
> Hope Sweeney
>
> *Student Disability Services *
>
> Hope M. Sweeney, MA
> Accommodations Coordinator
> Office of Student Disability Services
> Shriver Center Rm. 304
> Oxford, OH. 45056
> (513) 529-1541 Office (513) 529-8595 Fax
> *PGP: She, Her, Hers*
>
> *Input-Connectedness-Intellection-Achiever-Empathy*
>
>
>
> Visit our Website www.miamioh.edu/sds for more information.
>
> *The best way to find yourself is to lose yourself in the service of others.
> ? M.K. Gandhi*
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 20:45:02 +0100
> From: George Bell <george at techno-vision.co.uk>
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Accessibility for Stats courses
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> Hi Sarah,
>
> To answer your last question first, take a peek here:
> http://www.dessci.com/en/products/MathType/features.htm#handmath
>
> Design Science, who are quite a small company, are wonderful people to work
> with. Some of the main features of MathType are:
>
> 1) Works inside Word and many other applications.
> 2) It is very easy then to produce Large Print math.
> 3) Simple to open the Word file in Duxbury (especially with Duxbury's free
> SWIFT Word add-on) to obtain braille.
> 4) A variety of MathType "Convert" functions allow you for example to copy
> an equation, leave the first as is, and Convert the copied one say to
> LaTeX.
> 5) You can also do the reverse.
>
> All in all, for the cost, MathType is an excellent piece of software and
> used quite extensively over here in the UK.
>
> And it is thanks to all this that in some 3rd world countries, where math
> has never been taught to braille reading students, it is now beginning to
> appear on the curriculum.
>
> George
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sarah
> Jevnikar via BlindMath
> Sent: 08 September 2017 18:19
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> Cc: Sarah Jevnikar; 'Sweeney, Hope'
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Accessibility for Stats courses
>
> Hi there,
> It looks like you've done lots of good research here; your students are
> lucky to have you. :)
>
> Are all your students Braille readers and writers? What screen reading (if
> any) tools do they typically use?
>
> Instructor slides can be a challenge, but if they use LaTeX, this can be
> translated into Braille using Duxbury, or spoken math using Math Type, Math
> player, Microsoft Word, and NVDA. I'm not sure how well this works with
> JAWS. This will not, of course, fix the problem of instructors not reading
> what they're writing on the board; that is still a matter of persuasion.
>
> When you say accessible format for textbooks, what do you mean? I've had
> great success with Nemeth code texts (either as electronic Braille in .brf
> format or in hard-copy Braille) but mixed results with math ml files (in
> .xml format) when opened in Firefox with NVDA and Math Player. When the
> files would open, the math was spoken well but did not always appear on a
> Braille display.
>
> I remember R working well (I've recently been using Stata) but your students
> should get used to using command lines and text logs of their output.
>
> Learning LaTeX on their part will go a long way to making their math output
> easier for sighted instructors and graders to read. There are good pieces of
> software (Nemetex and Duxbury) that translate Braille math to print, but
> both only use Nemeth rather than UEB math and the latter (Duxbury) is still
> experimental.
>
> What do you mean by Math Type working with handwriting? I've never come
> across this before and am intrigued.
>
> I hope this is somewhat helpful
>
> Sarah Jevnikar
> BA Economics and International Relations 2017
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sweeney,
> Hope via BlindMath
> Sent: September 8, 2017 9:49 AM
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Sweeney, Hope
> Subject: [BlindMath] Accessibility for Stats courses
>
> Good Morning,
> I am currently working with several students taking undergrad and grad level
> statistics courses. We've sent the books to a third party vendor for
> accessible format but are working to ensure accessibility in day to day
> classes and other materials for the classes. R and RStudio are being used-
> we are attempting to work with Braille R but I have nothing conclusive there
> yet. As far as day to day class time, I found information on MathType being
> able to work with hand written equations and an App called IDEALMath that
> works the same. I am hoping someone has a process they utilize that works
> well to ensure complete accessibility. What absolutely hasn't worked so
> you've scrapped and/or had faculty scrap?
>
> Regards,
> Hope Sweeney
>
> *Student Disability Services *
>
> Hope M. Sweeney, MA
> Accommodations Coordinator
> Office of Student Disability Services
> Shriver Center Rm. 304
> Oxford, OH. 45056
> (513) 529-1541 Office (513) 529-8595 Fax
> *PGP: She, Her, Hers*
>
> *Input-Connectedness-Intellection-Achiever-Empathy*
>
>
>
> Visit our Website www.miamioh.edu/sds for more information.
>
> *The best way to find yourself is to lose yourself in the service of others.
> ? M.K. Gandhi*
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 20:54:03 +0000
> From: "Godfrey, Jonathan" <A.J.Godfrey at massey.ac.nz>
> To: "sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com" <sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com>, "Blind Math
> list for those interested in mathematics" <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Accessibility for Stats courses
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hello all,
>
> RStudio remains out of range for screen reader users and the latest I have
> from them (July 2017) is that there is no immediate plan to get on top of
> the accessibility issues. I reiterated my willingness to assist during that
> face to face encounter because I suspect it will be easier to fix than they
> do.
>
> The usefulness of RStudio for standard undergraduate teaching is increasing
> and it is becoming more widespread. This is principally because of the use
> of R markdown to produce the analyses. R markdown files are plain text so
> are screen reader friendly and the standard output format is HTML which is
> of course screen reader friendly. I use R markdown almost daily, and now
> insist on all of my students using it too. But, while it is easy to use R
> markdown in RStudio, it is also fairly easy to do so in the standard
> installation of R which is how I do it. So aside from the actual method
> being used, a blind student can have the same approach to creating an
> analysis as their sighted classmates if everyone is using R markdown.
>
> I firmly believe that the instructors for the course need to play a key role
> in the solutions being proposed for any blind students they teach. I remain
> open to having discussions with instructors who will use R in their teaching
> of blind students. I get about one email question every two weeks, and have
> had two Skype calls lasting more than an hour each in the last two months.
> Disability support staff are welcome during these calls, but mostly they
> don't speak R and stats well enough to lead that discussion.
>
> As always, I direct your attention to https://R-Resources.massey.ac.nz and
> its subpages. If you see something that you feel needs updating then please
> do holler.
>
> I would also direct instructors to read the articles:
> - A. Jonathan R. Godfrey. Statistical software from a blind person?s
> perspective: R is the best, but we can make it better. The R Journal,
> 5(1):73?79, June 2013.
> - A. Jonathan R. Godfrey and Robert Erhardt. Addendum to ?statistical
> software from a blind person?s perspective?. The R Journal, 6(1):182, June
> 2014.
> - A. Jonathan R. Godfrey and M. Theodor Loots. Statistical software (R, SAS,
> SPSS, and Minitab) for blind students and practitioners. Journal of
> Statistical Software, Software Reviews, 58(1):1?25, July 2014.
> - A. Jonathan R. Godfrey and M. Theodor Loots. Advice from blind teachers on
> how to teach statistics to blind students. Journal of Statistics Education,
> 23(3):1?28, November 2015.
> All of which are open access publications.
>
> Cheers,
> Jonathan
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sarah
> Jevnikar via BlindMath
> Sent: Saturday, 9 September 2017 5:19 a.m.
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> Cc: Sarah Jevnikar; 'Sweeney, Hope'
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Accessibility for Stats courses
>
> Hi there,
> It looks like you've done lots of good research here; your students are
> lucky to have you. :)
>
> Are all your students Braille readers and writers? What screen reading (if
> any) tools do they typically use?
>
> Instructor slides can be a challenge, but if they use LaTeX, this can be
> translated into Braille using Duxbury, or spoken math using Math Type, Math
> player, Microsoft Word, and NVDA. I'm not sure how well this works with
> JAWS. This will not, of course, fix the problem of instructors not reading
> what they're writing on the board; that is still a matter of persuasion.
>
> When you say accessible format for textbooks, what do you mean? I've had
> great success with Nemeth code texts (either as electronic Braille in .brf
> format or in hard-copy Braille) but mixed results with math ml files (in
> .xml format) when opened in Firefox with NVDA and Math Player. When the
> files would open, the math was spoken well but did not always appear on a
> Braille display.
>
> I remember R working well (I've recently been using Stata) but your students
> should get used to using command lines and text logs of their output.
>
> Learning LaTeX on their part will go a long way to making their math output
> easier for sighted instructors and graders to read. There are good pieces of
> software (Nemetex and Duxbury) that translate Braille math to print, but
> both only use Nemeth rather than UEB math and the latter (Duxbury) is still
> experimental.
>
> What do you mean by Math Type working with handwriting? I've never come
> across this before and am intrigued.
>
> I hope this is somewhat helpful
>
> Sarah Jevnikar
> BA Economics and International Relations 2017
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sweeney,
> Hope via BlindMath
> Sent: September 8, 2017 9:49 AM
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Sweeney, Hope
> Subject: [BlindMath] Accessibility for Stats courses
>
> Good Morning,
> I am currently working with several students taking undergrad and grad level
> statistics courses. We've sent the books to a third party vendor for
> accessible format but are working to ensure accessibility in day to day
> classes and other materials for the classes. R and RStudio are being used-
> we are attempting to work with Braille R but I have nothing conclusive there
> yet. As far as day to day class time, I found information on MathType being
> able to work with hand written equations and an App called IDEALMath that
> works the same. I am hoping someone has a process they utilize that works
> well to ensure complete accessibility. What absolutely hasn't worked so
> you've scrapped and/or had faculty scrap?
>
> Regards,
> Hope Sweeney
>
> *Student Disability Services *
>
> Hope M. Sweeney, MA
> Accommodations Coordinator
> Office of Student Disability Services
> Shriver Center Rm. 304
> Oxford, OH. 45056
> (513) 529-1541 Office (513) 529-8595 Fax
> *PGP: She, Her, Hers*
>
> *Input-Connectedness-Intellection-Achiever-Empathy*
>
>
>
> Visit our Website www.miamioh.edu/sds for more information.
>
> *The best way to find yourself is to lose yourself in the service of others.
> ? M.K. Gandhi*
>
>
> *This message, along with any accompanying attachments, is intended for use
> by the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain
> information that is confidential, privileged, and/or exempt from disclosure
> under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended
> recipient, the dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication
> is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error,
> please notify the sender immediately by reply or by telephone at (513)
> 529-1541. * _______________________________________________
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 23:29:12 -0500
> From: Sabra Ewing <sabra1023 at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Accessibility for Stats courses
> Message-ID: <578A1E40-97E0-41B9-9FB2-4F64AA729B9B at gmail.com>
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>
> I think you should look at XL. Maybe it is a bit primitive, but it might
> work. if all of his other complicated software is not turning out, just
> think about how you would write the formulas in Excel and write them that
> way in a text document and give it to the students. XL can do this thing
> where you put in the arguments for a function, and it has many statistical
> functions available. I wish I had known about those functions during my
> statistics class. also, Jonathan apparently wrote an article about me. I
> don't know if he wrote it about my statistics or my calculus class because I
> never received input about it, but maybe it says in that article what to do.
> he does know how to write formulas and show work for problem in a document
> though. I have been using it for my finance class, and it has been working
> the best out of everything I have tried. I even believe it should be used
> for other math courses as well. The work is much easier to read as well
> because in the case where a function doesn't exist and you have a huge
> formula, you can do the numerator and one cell and the denominator and
> another cell and then divide them in the third cell. if you finally have
> something working with your data, you can copy and paste that formula to
> everything without having to worry about Miss typing it or typing it again
> and again. you can also use it to make graphs for sighted people, which you
> can insert into power points. with extremely large data sets like for a
> business, it won't work, but it would work for a class. I wish they would
> make something that is like XL, but that can manage huge data sets for
> business use.
>
> Sabra Ewing
>
>> On Sep 8, 2017, at 3:54 PM, Godfrey, Jonathan via BlindMath
>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> RStudio remains out of range for screen reader users and the latest I have
>> from them (July 2017) is that there is no immediate plan to get on top of
>> the accessibility issues. I reiterated my willingness to assist during
>> that face to face encounter because I suspect it will be easier to fix
>> than they do.
>>
>> The usefulness of RStudio for standard undergraduate teaching is
>> increasing and it is becoming more widespread. This is principally because
>> of the use of R markdown to produce the analyses. R markdown files are
>> plain text so are screen reader friendly and the standard output format is
>> HTML which is of course screen reader friendly. I use R markdown almost
>> daily, and now insist on all of my students using it too. But, while it is
>> easy to use R markdown in RStudio, it is also fairly easy to do so in the
>> standard installation of R which is how I do it. So aside from the actual
>> method being used, a blind student can have the same approach to creating
>> an analysis as their sighted classmates if everyone is using R markdown.
>>
>> I firmly believe that the instructors for the course need to play a key
>> role in the solutions being proposed for any blind students they teach. I
>> remain open to having discussions with instructors who will use R in their
>> teaching of blind students. I get about one email question every two
>> weeks, and have had two Skype calls lasting more than an hour each in the
>> last two months. Disability support staff are welcome during these calls,
>> but mostly they don't speak R and stats well enough to lead that
>> discussion.
>>
>> As always, I direct your attention to https://R-Resources.massey.ac.nz and
>> its subpages. If you see something that you feel needs updating then
>> please do holler.
>>
>> I would also direct instructors to read the articles:
>> - A. Jonathan R. Godfrey. Statistical software from a blind person?s
>> perspective: R is the best, but we can make it better. The R Journal,
>> 5(1):73?79, June 2013.
>> - A. Jonathan R. Godfrey and Robert Erhardt. Addendum to ?statistical
>> software from a blind person?s perspective?. The R Journal, 6(1):182, June
>> 2014.
>> - A. Jonathan R. Godfrey and M. Theodor Loots. Statistical software (R,
>> SAS, SPSS, and Minitab) for blind students and practitioners. Journal of
>> Statistical Software, Software Reviews, 58(1):1?25, July 2014.
>> - A. Jonathan R. Godfrey and M. Theodor Loots. Advice from blind teachers
>> on how to teach statistics to blind students. Journal of Statistics
>> Education, 23(3):1?28, November 2015.
>> All of which are open access publications.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jonathan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sarah
>> Jevnikar via BlindMath
>> Sent: Saturday, 9 September 2017 5:19 a.m.
>> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
>> Cc: Sarah Jevnikar; 'Sweeney, Hope'
>> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Accessibility for Stats courses
>>
>> Hi there,
>> It looks like you've done lots of good research here; your students are
>> lucky to have you. :)
>>
>> Are all your students Braille readers and writers? What screen reading (if
>> any) tools do they typically use?
>>
>> Instructor slides can be a challenge, but if they use LaTeX, this can be
>> translated into Braille using Duxbury, or spoken math using Math Type,
>> Math player, Microsoft Word, and NVDA. I'm not sure how well this works
>> with JAWS. This will not, of course, fix the problem of instructors not
>> reading what they're writing on the board; that is still a matter of
>> persuasion.
>>
>> When you say accessible format for textbooks, what do you mean? I've had
>> great success with Nemeth code texts (either as electronic Braille in .brf
>> format or in hard-copy Braille) but mixed results with math ml files (in
>> .xml format) when opened in Firefox with NVDA and Math Player. When the
>> files would open, the math was spoken well but did not always appear on a
>> Braille display.
>>
>> I remember R working well (I've recently been using Stata) but your
>> students should get used to using command lines and text logs of their
>> output.
>>
>> Learning LaTeX on their part will go a long way to making their math
>> output easier for sighted instructors and graders to read. There are good
>> pieces of software (Nemetex and Duxbury) that translate Braille math to
>> print, but both only use Nemeth rather than UEB math and the latter
>> (Duxbury) is still experimental.
>>
>> What do you mean by Math Type working with handwriting? I've never come
>> across this before and am intrigued.
>>
>> I hope this is somewhat helpful
>>
>> Sarah Jevnikar
>> BA Economics and International Relations 2017
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Sweeney, Hope via BlindMath
>> Sent: September 8, 2017 9:49 AM
>> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Sweeney, Hope
>> Subject: [BlindMath] Accessibility for Stats courses
>>
>> Good Morning,
>> I am currently working with several students taking undergrad and grad
>> level statistics courses. We've sent the books to a third party vendor
>> for accessible format but are working to ensure accessibility in day to
>> day classes and other materials for the classes. R and RStudio are being
>> used- we are attempting to work with Braille R but I have nothing
>> conclusive there yet. As far as day to day class time, I found
>> information on MathType being able to work with hand written equations and
>> an App called IDEALMath that works the same. I am hoping someone has a
>> process they utilize that works well to ensure complete accessibility.
>> What absolutely hasn't worked so you've scrapped and/or had faculty
>> scrap?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Hope Sweeney
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