[BlindMath] Accessibility for Stats courses

Tue Sep 12 13:43:11 UTC 2017

    Thanks.  This appears to be an .html document.  I've never had a problem 
with this format and screen readers.  I've fairly often had problems with 
the .pdf format, not just with your paper.

Doug Miron

-----Original Message----- 
From: Godfrey, Jonathan via BlindMath
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 10:11 PM
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
Cc: Godfrey, Jonathan
Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Accessibility for Stats courses

Hello,

Take a look at:
https://r-resources.massey.ac.nz/papers/jse.v23.n3/
for one of these articles. I think it looks right. Let me know if there is 
any problem for me to fix.

I'll try the other one soon enough.

Thanks,
Jonathan

-----Original Message-----
From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug and 
Molly Miron via BlindMath
Sent: Monday, 11 September 2017 3:56 a.m.
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
Cc: Doug and Molly Miron
Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Accessibility for Stats courses

To Drs. Godfrey and Dengler,

I tried each of your papers with Acrobat Reader DC, both with NVDA and JAWS, 
but the readers sounded peculiar, breaking words up, and sometimes going 
into rapid spelling.  Do you have these papers in another format?

Regards,
Doug Miron

-----Original Message-----
From: Godfrey, Jonathan via BlindMath
Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 4:43 PM
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
Cc: Godfrey, Jonathan
Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Accessibility for Stats courses

Thanks everyone.

The paper Bill sent around is a review of four statistical software options.
The options for blind students studying statistics courses and their 
instructors across the whole range of issues is to be found at:
http://www.amstat.org/publications/jse/v23n3/godfrey.pdf
This is the paper that was inspired by the experiences of people on this 
list (and others) as well as a summary of many tools suggested by people on 
this list. It is filtered to the problems and solutions found in statistics 
courses specifically because that relates to the authors’ expertise, and it 
was published in the Journal of Statistics Education with the intention that 
the instructors of statistics courses are our primary audience. This paper 
has been used by blind students as a tool for making their pathway through a 
statistics course all that much easier and more successful. I’ve had 
positive feedback from students, parents, and most often, from instructors 
about the paper. In the end, I feel that we achieved more than just an 
academic research output. As academics, Theodor and I put our colleagues on 
notice that they can and should be prepared to assist a blind student coming 
into their classroom. We acknowledged this list as a primary tool for 
communication of ideas and solutions and I believe what we did was entirely 
in keeping with the general culture of this community. We did it our way; 
others will use a different tool to help us all get more blind students 
succeeding in STEM disciplines.

Only one person’s contributions get a mention via a “personal communication”
because that person made a statement (on this list actually) that we felt 
deserved quoting in the most direct fashion, and then in a subsequent (off
list) exchange, he made another statement that showed the possibilities and 
the desires we wanted to show our sighted colleagues. There are numerous 
individuals that have made contributions on this list that I have valued. I 
consider myself fortunate to have met quite a few of them at the NFB 
Convention in July.

I know there are people out there that want to talk about the poor chances 
of blind people succeeding in all manner of situations. It’s a pity that 
these come from blind people themselves at times, when so many of us are 
trying so hard to make sure that a blind person can live the life they want.

I’ve never said succeeding in STEM is easy. It isn’t for sighted people 
either, but they do find it easier than we do as blind people. I do think 
the difference in success in STEM versus other disciplines is reducing 
though, in part because so many other disciplines are incorporating things 
that were previously in the domain of the STEM geeks. The question for me, 
which remains unanswered, is whether that difference is widening for blind 
people. I think it has over the last twenty years or so, but I do believe 
the tide is turning.

Cheers,
Jonathan

From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bill 
Dengler via BlindMath
Sent: Sunday, 10 September 2017 7:49 a.m.
To: Sabra Ewing
Cc: Bill Dengler; Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Accessibility for Stats courses

I’ve attached the article.

Bill

> On Sep 9, 2017, at 7:42 PM, Bill Dengler
> <codeofdusk at gmail.com<mailto:codeofdusk at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Sabra,
> Read *this* sentence: "Sabra doesn't know it and I've not ever shared
> it explicitly in public before now, but her negative experiences and
> their ongoing airing via this list were a major source of inspiration
> for the article Theodor and I wrote.”
> He said “major source of inspiration”.
> He did not say the article was written about you.
> There is a difference.
>
> Bill
>> On Sep 9, 2017, at 7:38 PM, Sabra Ewing
>> <sabra1023 at gmail.com<mailto:sabra1023 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Sabra doesn't know it and I've not ever shared it explicitly in
>> public before now, but her negative experiences and their ongoing
>> airing via this list were a major source of inspiration for the
>> article Theodor and I wrote.
>
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