[BlindMath] BlindMath Digest, Vol 141, Issue 3
tolga karatas
tolga.karatas2014 at gmail.com
Thu Apr 5 12:07:58 UTC 2018
zhen;
that's what I was trying to explain; you can use jaws in MS excel to
plot graphs; however; it's not good at reading graphs;
I have tested this personally;
if you want more info;
please contact me off list; and I can discuss with you further;
Kind Regards;
Tolga;
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> 5. Re: data analysis question (kperry at blinksoft.com)
> 6. Re: data analysis question (Sabra Ewing)
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> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2018 12:07:48 -0500
> From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
> To: "'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'"
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] data analysis question
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> Zhen,
>
> I don't know if you have received other answers, but there are things you
> can do with Excel and with JAWS that can make some of this easier. First,
> though, I would say that it is well worth taking time to get familiar with
> some of the less obvious parts of Excel so you can make the best use of it.
> Learning about some of its functions and how to enter formulas would be a
> good start.
>
> There are JAWS commands that can allow you to have row and column titles
> repeated as you navigate by cell. I used a similar function with
> Window-Eyes and have seen the JAWS keys to do this but don't have experience
> with this. In addition, you can tell Excel to freeze certain rows and
> columns so they always remain on the screen. This means that you could keep
> row labels and column headings on the screen as you move around the
> spreadsheet. You may actually find that this is too much information,
> though, although I think there is an option to just have a key to press to
> read the row or column label when you want that information.
>
> There are excel options to sort and filter data which can help if you get
> good at doing that. Sorting on a particular column can quickly show the
> smallest or largest. Temporarily creating cells that can receive results
> from a function in a formula can be useful as well. Even knowing the
> minimum, maximum, average, and standard deviation of a given column of data
> can give you a pretty quick picture of the data.
>
> I have not done the kinds of work you are describing, but I've had to use
> Excel to deal with data on the job and know I've only scratched the surface.
> There are likely others here who could provide more details. In addition,
> if you get data in Excel, it is possible that you could export it into a
> statistical package like R to do certain kinds of analysis that might be
> done there more easily. I have no experience with that.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of zhen
> holmes via BlindMath
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 11:53 AM
> To: nfb-science at nfbnet.org
> Cc: zhen holmes <zhen.m.holmes at gmail.com>; blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [BlindMath] data analysis question
>
> Hi there,
> I was wondering about how to best access and manipulate data. Here's the
> story. I have the opportunity to work on a really ml research project
> involving presolar grains and aminoacid abundances. It would involve mining
> data from papers, creating tables, and making new plots. My question is how
> best to accomplish this. Some people I have spoken to recommend excel, but
> I've heard its not very screen reader friendly in terms of reading data.
> When you are in a table, without being able to know what row and collum you
> are in, it would seem to me that the numbers would very easily lose their
> meaning. Even so, if that is a good option, is there a good list of jaws
> commands for excell? I haven't been able to find one. Another suggestions
> was to utilize a reader to get a better overview of the numbers and to start
> making extrapolations and to find internal assumptions on my own. Obviously
> that doesn't solve all the plotting problems, but it is something and would
> u simultaneously solve the problem that pre 2002 papers aren't accessable to
> begin with. At any rate, any suggestions would be welcomed. For the record,
> I will be posting this to both the math and science lists.
> thanks and best,
> Z H
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2018 15:35:31 -0400
> From: "Sarah Jevnikar" <sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com>
> To: "'Holly Russell'" <russell.hm at comcast.net>, "'Blind Math list for
> those interested in mathematics'" <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Calculus 2
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> Hi there,
> I'm afraid I personally need some more information so as to provide you
> with
> the greatest help.
>
> What technology does your student use to access the web? JAWS? ZoomText?
> Something else? Do they read Braille? Do they have a portable note taker or
> Braille display?
> What content specifically is offered in calculus II, so I can give you some
> ideas of where else that content might be offered.
> Why an online format? I haven't heard of many online math classes, let
> alone
> any accessible ones, but maybe that's because my university's too
> analogue... ;)
>
> Thank you for being such a great advocate for your students!
>
> Sarah
>
>
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> Russell via BlindMath
> Sent: March 29, 2018 4:01 PM
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Holly Russell
> Subject: [BlindMath] Calculus 2
>
> Hello. I am a Teacher of the Visually Impaired, and I am looking for an
> accessible, online Calculus 2 course for one of my students. I was
> wondering
> if anyone had any class they could recommend. Thank you so much!
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> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2018 15:43:47 -0400
> From: "Sarah Jevnikar" <sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com>
> To: "'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'"
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: "'Steve Jacobson'" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] data analysis question
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> Hi Zhen,
> Excel might be the most user-friendly means to start, though R or similar
> programs might be more robust ultimately.
>
> By naming a region of cells, any user can automatically have their column
> and row titles read to them just by navigating a sheet. This works
> independently of a screen reader. I can send you specific instructions if
> that would help.
>
> Excel uses mainly standard keyboard commands. Tab or the arrow keys move
> between cells. Control-c copies, control-v pastes, control-x cuts.
> Control-g
> allows you to move to a specific cell. Control page up and down moves
> between sheets. To edit the contents of a current cell, use f2. The = sign
> will tell Excel you'd like to start typing a formula, which can include
> cell
> coordinates, numbers, and other data.
>
> JAWS has a command (control+shift+d) that will list all the cells with data
> in a sheet.
>
> I appreciate Excel looks intimidating at first, but it is fairly
> straightforward. I'd be happy to jump on a Skype call if you need a
> step-by-step walk-through, but I think it might be an idea to figure out
> exactly what you'd like to do with the program and then we can go from
> there.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve
> Jacobson via BlindMath
> Sent: April 4, 2018 1:08 PM
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> Cc: Steve Jacobson
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] data analysis question
>
> Zhen,
>
> I don't know if you have received other answers, but there are things you
> can do with Excel and with JAWS that can make some of this easier. First,
> though, I would say that it is well worth taking time to get familiar with
> some of the less obvious parts of Excel so you can make the best use of it.
> Learning about some of its functions and how to enter formulas would be a
> good start.
>
> There are JAWS commands that can allow you to have row and column titles
> repeated as you navigate by cell. I used a similar function with
> Window-Eyes and have seen the JAWS keys to do this but don't have
> experience
> with this. In addition, you can tell Excel to freeze certain rows and
> columns so they always remain on the screen. This means that you could
> keep
> row labels and column headings on the screen as you move around the
> spreadsheet. You may actually find that this is too much information,
> though, although I think there is an option to just have a key to press to
> read the row or column label when you want that information.
>
> There are excel options to sort and filter data which can help if you get
> good at doing that. Sorting on a particular column can quickly show the
> smallest or largest. Temporarily creating cells that can receive results
> from a function in a formula can be useful as well. Even knowing the
> minimum, maximum, average, and standard deviation of a given column of data
> can give you a pretty quick picture of the data.
>
> I have not done the kinds of work you are describing, but I've had to use
> Excel to deal with data on the job and know I've only scratched the
> surface.
> There are likely others here who could provide more details. In addition,
> if you get data in Excel, it is possible that you could export it into a
> statistical package like R to do certain kinds of analysis that might be
> done there more easily. I have no experience with that.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of zhen
> holmes via BlindMath
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 11:53 AM
> To: nfb-science at nfbnet.org
> Cc: zhen holmes <zhen.m.holmes at gmail.com>; blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [BlindMath] data analysis question
>
> Hi there,
> I was wondering about how to best access and manipulate data. Here's the
> story. I have the opportunity to work on a really ml research project
> involving presolar grains and aminoacid abundances. It would involve mining
> data from papers, creating tables, and making new plots. My question is how
> best to accomplish this. Some people I have spoken to recommend excel, but
> I've heard its not very screen reader friendly in terms of reading data.
> When you are in a table, without being able to know what row and collum
> you
> are in, it would seem to me that the numbers would very easily lose their
> meaning. Even so, if that is a good option, is there a good list of jaws
> commands for excell? I haven't been able to find one. Another suggestions
> was to utilize a reader to get a better overview of the numbers and to
> start
> making extrapolations and to find internal assumptions on my own. Obviously
> that doesn't solve all the plotting problems, but it is something and would
> u simultaneously solve the problem that pre 2002 papers aren't accessable
> to
> begin with. At any rate, any suggestions would be welcomed. For the record,
> I will be posting this to both the math and science lists.
> thanks and best,
> Z H
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2018 19:32:19 -0400
> From: Zhen Holmes <zhen.m.holmes at gmail.com>
> To: sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com, Blind Math list for those interested in
> mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] data analysis question
> Message-ID: <5E7DEB72-67CE-4804-859E-8A5280C7BCE5 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Thanks so much. It looks like excel will be the best option for now. But I
> haven?t found a commands sheet that?s very helpful, or a good screen reader
> excel tutorial. If you are familiar with the program, I?d appreciate the
> information.
> Best,
> ZH
>
>> On Apr 4, 2018, at 3:43 PM, Sarah Jevnikar via BlindMath
>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Zhen,
>> Excel might be the most user-friendly means to start, though R or similar
>> programs might be more robust ultimately.
>>
>> By naming a region of cells, any user can automatically have their column
>> and row titles read to them just by navigating a sheet. This works
>> independently of a screen reader. I can send you specific instructions if
>> that would help.
>>
>> Excel uses mainly standard keyboard commands. Tab or the arrow keys move
>> between cells. Control-c copies, control-v pastes, control-x cuts.
>> Control-g
>> allows you to move to a specific cell. Control page up and down moves
>> between sheets. To edit the contents of a current cell, use f2. The =
>> sign
>> will tell Excel you'd like to start typing a formula, which can include
>> cell
>> coordinates, numbers, and other data.
>>
>> JAWS has a command (control+shift+d) that will list all the cells with
>> data
>> in a sheet.
>>
>> I appreciate Excel looks intimidating at first, but it is fairly
>> straightforward. I'd be happy to jump on a Skype call if you need a
>> step-by-step walk-through, but I think it might be an idea to figure out
>> exactly what you'd like to do with the program and then we can go from
>> there.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Sarah
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve
>> Jacobson via BlindMath
>> Sent: April 4, 2018 1:08 PM
>> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
>> Cc: Steve Jacobson
>> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] data analysis question
>>
>> Zhen,
>>
>> I don't know if you have received other answers, but there are things you
>> can do with Excel and with JAWS that can make some of this easier.
>> First,
>> though, I would say that it is well worth taking time to get familiar
>> with
>> some of the less obvious parts of Excel so you can make the best use of
>> it.
>> Learning about some of its functions and how to enter formulas would be a
>> good start.
>>
>> There are JAWS commands that can allow you to have row and column titles
>> repeated as you navigate by cell. I used a similar function with
>> Window-Eyes and have seen the JAWS keys to do this but don't have
>> experience
>> with this. In addition, you can tell Excel to freeze certain rows and
>> columns so they always remain on the screen. This means that you could
>> keep
>> row labels and column headings on the screen as you move around the
>> spreadsheet. You may actually find that this is too much information,
>> though, although I think there is an option to just have a key to press
>> to
>> read the row or column label when you want that information.
>>
>> There are excel options to sort and filter data which can help if you get
>> good at doing that. Sorting on a particular column can quickly show the
>> smallest or largest. Temporarily creating cells that can receive results
>> from a function in a formula can be useful as well. Even knowing the
>> minimum, maximum, average, and standard deviation of a given column of
>> data
>> can give you a pretty quick picture of the data.
>>
>> I have not done the kinds of work you are describing, but I've had to use
>> Excel to deal with data on the job and know I've only scratched the
>> surface.
>> There are likely others here who could provide more details. In
>> addition,
>> if you get data in Excel, it is possible that you could export it into a
>> statistical package like R to do certain kinds of analysis that might be
>> done there more easily. I have no experience with that.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of zhen
>> holmes via BlindMath
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 11:53 AM
>> To: nfb-science at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: zhen holmes <zhen.m.holmes at gmail.com>; blindmath at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [BlindMath] data analysis question
>>
>> Hi there,
>> I was wondering about how to best access and manipulate data. Here's the
>> story. I have the opportunity to work on a really ml research project
>> involving presolar grains and aminoacid abundances. It would involve
>> mining
>> data from papers, creating tables, and making new plots. My question is
>> how
>> best to accomplish this. Some people I have spoken to recommend excel,
>> but
>> I've heard its not very screen reader friendly in terms of reading data.
>> When you are in a table, without being able to know what row and collum
>> you
>> are in, it would seem to me that the numbers would very easily lose their
>> meaning. Even so, if that is a good option, is there a good list of jaws
>> commands for excell? I haven't been able to find one. Another suggestions
>> was to utilize a reader to get a better overview of the numbers and to
>> start
>> making extrapolations and to find internal assumptions on my own.
>> Obviously
>> that doesn't solve all the plotting problems, but it is something and
>> would
>> u simultaneously solve the problem that pre 2002 papers aren't accessable
>> to
>> begin with. At any rate, any suggestions would be welcomed. For the
>> record,
>> I will be posting this to both the math and science lists.
>> thanks and best,
>> Z H
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2018 20:08:29 -0400
> From: <kperry at blinksoft.com>
> To: "'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'"
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] data analysis question
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> There are a lot of free tutorials on excel. I used to teach Office in
> Canada and found that the Office online ttuorials are pretty good but if you
> want one that is geared to a screen reader APH has their one for Excel 2007
> on sale right now at
>
> http://shop.aph.org/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_Verbal%20View%20of%20Excel%202007_D-10520-00P_10001_11051
>
> You can find all the shortcuts out on line or just going through the help of
> your screen reader and the help of Excel. It does help to go through a
> class on basic excel if you can find one from your local college just so you
> can get a good over view on what a spread sheet is good for. Sometimes they
> have a couple day classes. Where are you located? This is a 365 page
> here:
>
> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/excel-2013-training-aaae974d-3f47-41d9-895e-97a71c2e8a4a
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Zhen Holmes via
> BlindMath
> Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 7:32 PM
> To: sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com; Blind Math list for those interested in
> mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Zhen Holmes <zhen.m.holmes at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] data analysis question
>
> Thanks so much. It looks like excel will be the best option for now. But I
> haven?t found a commands sheet that?s very helpful, or a good screen reader
> excel tutorial. If you are familiar with the program, I?d appreciate the
> information.
> Best,
> ZH
>
>> On Apr 4, 2018, at 3:43 PM, Sarah Jevnikar via BlindMath
>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Zhen,
>> Excel might be the most user-friendly means to start, though R or
>> similar programs might be more robust ultimately.
>>
>> By naming a region of cells, any user can automatically have their
>> column and row titles read to them just by navigating a sheet. This
>> works independently of a screen reader. I can send you specific
>> instructions if that would help.
>>
>> Excel uses mainly standard keyboard commands. Tab or the arrow keys
>> move between cells. Control-c copies, control-v pastes, control-x
>> cuts. Control-g allows you to move to a specific cell. Control page up
>> and down moves between sheets. To edit the contents of a current cell,
>> use f2. The = sign will tell Excel you'd like to start typing a
>> formula, which can include cell coordinates, numbers, and other data.
>>
>> JAWS has a command (control+shift+d) that will list all the cells with
>> data in a sheet.
>>
>> I appreciate Excel looks intimidating at first, but it is fairly
>> straightforward. I'd be happy to jump on a Skype call if you need a
>> step-by-step walk-through, but I think it might be an idea to figure
>> out exactly what you'd like to do with the program and then we can go
>> from there.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Sarah
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Steve Jacobson via BlindMath
>> Sent: April 4, 2018 1:08 PM
>> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
>> Cc: Steve Jacobson
>> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] data analysis question
>>
>> Zhen,
>>
>> I don't know if you have received other answers, but there are things
>> you can do with Excel and with JAWS that can make some of this easier.
>> First, though, I would say that it is well worth taking time to get
>> familiar with some of the less obvious parts of Excel so you can make the
>> best use of it.
>> Learning about some of its functions and how to enter formulas would
>> be a good start.
>>
>> There are JAWS commands that can allow you to have row and column
>> titles repeated as you navigate by cell. I used a similar function
>> with Window-Eyes and have seen the JAWS keys to do this but don't have
>> experience with this. In addition, you can tell Excel to freeze
>> certain rows and columns so they always remain on the screen. This
>> means that you could keep row labels and column headings on the screen
>> as you move around the spreadsheet. You may actually find that this
>> is too much information, though, although I think there is an option
>> to just have a key to press to read the row or column label when you want
>> that information.
>>
>> There are excel options to sort and filter data which can help if you
>> get good at doing that. Sorting on a particular column can quickly
>> show the smallest or largest. Temporarily creating cells that can
>> receive results from a function in a formula can be useful as well.
>> Even knowing the minimum, maximum, average, and standard deviation of
>> a given column of data can give you a pretty quick picture of the data.
>>
>> I have not done the kinds of work you are describing, but I've had to
>> use Excel to deal with data on the job and know I've only scratched the
>> surface.
>> There are likely others here who could provide more details. In
>> addition, if you get data in Excel, it is possible that you could
>> export it into a statistical package like R to do certain kinds of
>> analysis that might be done there more easily. I have no experience with
>> that.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> zhen holmes via BlindMath
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 11:53 AM
>> To: nfb-science at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: zhen holmes <zhen.m.holmes at gmail.com>; blindmath at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [BlindMath] data analysis question
>>
>> Hi there,
>> I was wondering about how to best access and manipulate data. Here's
>> the story. I have the opportunity to work on a really ml research
>> project involving presolar grains and aminoacid abundances. It would
>> involve mining data from papers, creating tables, and making new
>> plots. My question is how best to accomplish this. Some people I have
>> spoken to recommend excel, but I've heard its not very screen reader
>> friendly in terms of reading data.
>> When you are in a table, without being able to know what row and
>> collum you are in, it would seem to me that the numbers would very
>> easily lose their meaning. Even so, if that is a good option, is there
>> a good list of jaws commands for excell? I haven't been able to find
>> one. Another suggestions was to utilize a reader to get a better
>> overview of the numbers and to start making extrapolations and to find
>> internal assumptions on my own. Obviously that doesn't solve all the
>> plotting problems, but it is something and would u simultaneously
>> solve the problem that pre 2002 papers aren't accessable to begin
>> with. At any rate, any suggestions would be welcomed. For the record, I
>> will be posting this to both the math and science lists.
>> thanks and best,
>> Z H
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2018 19:56:43 -0600
> From: Sabra Ewing <sabra1023 at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] data analysis question
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> It is very screen reader friendly, but I agree that it is difficult to find
> a good tutorial that you do not have to pay for. I have also found the
> Microsoft tutorials to be difficult to follow.
>
> Sabra Ewing
>
>> On Apr 4, 2018, at 6:08 PM, Ken Perry via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> There are a lot of free tutorials on excel. I used to teach Office in
>> Canada and found that the Office online ttuorials are pretty good but if
>> you want one that is geared to a screen reader APH has their one for Excel
>> 2007 on sale right now at
>>
>> http://shop.aph.org/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_Verbal%20View%20of%20Excel%202007_D-10520-00P_10001_11051
>>
>> You can find all the shortcuts out on line or just going through the help
>> of your screen reader and the help of Excel. It does help to go through a
>> class on basic excel if you can find one from your local college just so
>> you can get a good over view on what a spread sheet is good for.
>> Sometimes they have a couple day classes. Where are you located? This is
>> a 365 page here:
>>
>> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/excel-2013-training-aaae974d-3f47-41d9-895e-97a71c2e8a4a
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Zhen Holmes
>> via BlindMath
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 7:32 PM
>> To: sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com; Blind Math list for those interested in
>> mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Zhen Holmes <zhen.m.holmes at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] data analysis question
>>
>> Thanks so much. It looks like excel will be the best option for now. But
>> I haven?t found a commands sheet that?s very helpful, or a good screen
>> reader excel tutorial. If you are familiar with the program, I?d
>> appreciate the information.
>> Best,
>> ZH
>>
>>> On Apr 4, 2018, at 3:43 PM, Sarah Jevnikar via BlindMath
>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Zhen,
>>> Excel might be the most user-friendly means to start, though R or
>>> similar programs might be more robust ultimately.
>>>
>>> By naming a region of cells, any user can automatically have their
>>> column and row titles read to them just by navigating a sheet. This
>>> works independently of a screen reader. I can send you specific
>>> instructions if that would help.
>>>
>>> Excel uses mainly standard keyboard commands. Tab or the arrow keys
>>> move between cells. Control-c copies, control-v pastes, control-x
>>> cuts. Control-g allows you to move to a specific cell. Control page up
>>> and down moves between sheets. To edit the contents of a current cell,
>>> use f2. The = sign will tell Excel you'd like to start typing a
>>> formula, which can include cell coordinates, numbers, and other data.
>>>
>>> JAWS has a command (control+shift+d) that will list all the cells with
>>> data in a sheet.
>>>
>>> I appreciate Excel looks intimidating at first, but it is fairly
>>> straightforward. I'd be happy to jump on a Skype call if you need a
>>> step-by-step walk-through, but I think it might be an idea to figure
>>> out exactly what you'd like to do with the program and then we can go
>>> from there.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Sarah
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Steve Jacobson via BlindMath
>>> Sent: April 4, 2018 1:08 PM
>>> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
>>> Cc: Steve Jacobson
>>> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] data analysis question
>>>
>>> Zhen,
>>>
>>> I don't know if you have received other answers, but there are things
>>> you can do with Excel and with JAWS that can make some of this easier.
>>> First, though, I would say that it is well worth taking time to get
>>> familiar with some of the less obvious parts of Excel so you can make the
>>> best use of it.
>>> Learning about some of its functions and how to enter formulas would
>>> be a good start.
>>>
>>> There are JAWS commands that can allow you to have row and column
>>> titles repeated as you navigate by cell. I used a similar function
>>> with Window-Eyes and have seen the JAWS keys to do this but don't have
>>> experience with this. In addition, you can tell Excel to freeze
>>> certain rows and columns so they always remain on the screen. This
>>> means that you could keep row labels and column headings on the screen
>>> as you move around the spreadsheet. You may actually find that this
>>> is too much information, though, although I think there is an option
>>> to just have a key to press to read the row or column label when you want
>>> that information.
>>>
>>> There are excel options to sort and filter data which can help if you
>>> get good at doing that. Sorting on a particular column can quickly
>>> show the smallest or largest. Temporarily creating cells that can
>>> receive results from a function in a formula can be useful as well.
>>> Even knowing the minimum, maximum, average, and standard deviation of
>>> a given column of data can give you a pretty quick picture of the data.
>>>
>>> I have not done the kinds of work you are describing, but I've had to
>>> use Excel to deal with data on the job and know I've only scratched the
>>> surface.
>>> There are likely others here who could provide more details. In
>>> addition, if you get data in Excel, it is possible that you could
>>> export it into a statistical package like R to do certain kinds of
>>> analysis that might be done there more easily. I have no experience with
>>> that.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> zhen holmes via BlindMath
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 11:53 AM
>>> To: nfb-science at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: zhen holmes <zhen.m.holmes at gmail.com>; blindmath at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [BlindMath] data analysis question
>>>
>>> Hi there,
>>> I was wondering about how to best access and manipulate data. Here's
>>> the story. I have the opportunity to work on a really ml research
>>> project involving presolar grains and aminoacid abundances. It would
>>> involve mining data from papers, creating tables, and making new
>>> plots. My question is how best to accomplish this. Some people I have
>>> spoken to recommend excel, but I've heard its not very screen reader
>>> friendly in terms of reading data.
>>> When you are in a table, without being able to know what row and
>>> collum you are in, it would seem to me that the numbers would very
>>> easily lose their meaning. Even so, if that is a good option, is there
>>> a good list of jaws commands for excell? I haven't been able to find
>>> one. Another suggestions was to utilize a reader to get a better
>>> overview of the numbers and to start making extrapolations and to find
>>> internal assumptions on my own. Obviously that doesn't solve all the
>>> plotting problems, but it is something and would u simultaneously
>>> solve the problem that pre 2002 papers aren't accessable to begin
>>> with. At any rate, any suggestions would be welcomed. For the record, I
>>> will be posting this to both the math and science lists.
>>> thanks and best,
>>> Z H
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2018 21:09:32 -0500
> From: Michael Link <michaelllink1 at gmail.com>
> To: <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [BlindMath] 3 Dimensional Graphs
> Message-ID: <AE35B1DD-05D0-4F62-B6BB-B72581A2EDB2 at gmail.com>
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>
> Hi All!
>
> I?m an undergraduate mathematics student who is struggling with figuring out
> the best assistive tech to use for understanding 3 Dimensional graphs.? Do
> any of you recommend certain programs or devices for graphs in three
> dimensions?
>
> Thanks!
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2018 02:28:37 +0000
> From: "Godfrey, Jonathan" <A.J.Godfrey at massey.ac.nz>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] 3 Dimensional Graphs
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> Hi all,
>
> I'd love to see some more done on creating such graphs using a 3d printer.
>
> I haven't yet had a chance to exercise this interest to date, but creating
> 3d printer ready image files for statistical graphs is on my to-do list.
>
> Jonathan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael
> Link via BlindMath
> Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2018 2:10 p.m.
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Michael Link <michaelllink1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [BlindMath] 3 Dimensional Graphs
>
> Hi All!
>
> I?m an undergraduate mathematics student who is struggling with figuring out
> the best assistive tech to use for understanding 3 Dimensional graphs.? Do
> any of you recommend certain programs or devices for graphs in three
> dimensions?
>
> Thanks!
> Michael
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2018 09:21:26 +0000
> From: Robin Williams <Robin.Williams at atass-sports.co.uk>
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> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] 3 Dimensional Graphs
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> Hi,
>
> I have a friend who has experimented in such matters, particularly making
> shapes encountered in topology. The main problem with 3D printing appears to
> be the expense, as one tends to need larger objects depending on the level
> of detail. It should be possible to produce something relatively cheaply for
> standard surfaces, though.
> There are R packages available that can readily produce the files needed for
> 3D printing.
>
> I agree this is worthy of further investigation. Attempting to understand
> contour plots was certainly one of the most difficult problems I encountered
> in my undergraduate and postgraduate work.
>
> Bests,
> Robin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Godfrey,
> Jonathan via BlindMath
> Sent: 05 April 2018 03:29
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Godfrey, Jonathan <A.J.Godfrey at massey.ac.nz>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] 3 Dimensional Graphs
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'd love to see some more done on creating such graphs using a 3d printer.
>
> I haven't yet had a chance to exercise this interest to date, but creating
> 3d printer ready image files for statistical graphs is on my to-do list.
>
> Jonathan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael
> Link via BlindMath
> Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2018 2:10 p.m.
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Michael Link <michaelllink1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [BlindMath] 3 Dimensional Graphs
>
> Hi All!
>
> I?m an undergraduate mathematics student who is struggling with figuring out
> the best assistive tech to use for understanding 3 Dimensional graphs.? Do
> any of you recommend certain programs or devices for graphs in three
> dimensions?
>
> Thanks!
> Michael
>
>
>
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