[BlindMath] Help with NVDA and MathML

Fri Jul 20 13:07:22 UTC 2018

Hi, everyone!

I'm trying to use mathplayer in English right now, and I'm having some
difficulties, i'm trying to use just the mathplayer, without the NVDA.

I was able to use only this page, using IE11 on the "enterprise mode"

https://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathplayer/check.htm

He read the formula correctly

But in pages like this one:

https://www.freedomscientific.com/content/html/jawshq/MathML-Samples.html

When I right click on the formulas, the "speech expression" option does not
appear, as it appears on the first site.

Is there any kind of settings that i have to do, for using mathplayer in
any site?

Thanks

--Alberto Ortiz

2018-07-18 14:29 GMT-03:00 Alberto Ortiz <alberto.ortiz.mendes at gmail.com>:

> Thanks again Steve!
>
> Bob, i will send you a email about the language adding.
>
> I will still try to use Chrome Vox with Mathjax too.
>
> thanks a lot, you all.
>
>
> Alberto Ortiz
>
> 2018-07-18 11:23 GMT-03:00 Bob Mathews <bobm at dessci.com>:
>
>> Alberto, MathPlayer is our product. You may write me privately about it,
>> but not at the address I'm using for this email. Since our companies
>> merged, I have not updated my subscriptions to the new email address, so
>> I'm still subscribed to blindmath with this address. Please email me at
>> bob at wiris.com.
>>
>> Most of the information you could ever need about MathPlayer is on our
>> [old] website: http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathplayer/manual.htm.
>> That site doesn't have information about adding a language though. I can
>> help with that.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Bob Mathews
>> WIRIS America
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Alberto Ortiz via BlindMath <
>> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>>  Thanks again Steve!!! Thanks Joseph!!!
>>>
>>> I tried to read MathJax using Chrome Vox, but i did not succeed.
>>>
>>> I will try with  MathJax A11y extension in Chrome that Joseph
>>> recommended.
>>>
>>>
>>> One more thing,
>>>
>>> I know that the Mathplayer is for free. it will be hard to add a new
>>> language to MathPlayer?
>>> Anybody know the team that are responsbile for the MathPlayer, that i can
>>> enter in conctact with them?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks again!!
>>>
>>>
>>> Alberto Ortiz
>>>
>>>
>>> 2018-07-16 19:00 GMT-03:00 Joseph Polizzotto via BlindMath <
>>> blindmath at nfbnet.org>:
>>>
>>> > Hi Everyone:
>>> >
>>> > Last I had tried navigating MathJax rendered equations, I used Shift +
>>> > SpaceBar to open the MathJax menu. From there, I used the arrow keys to
>>> > navigate to the extension menu item and activate it. I had more success
>>> > using the MathJax A11y extension in Chrome.
>>> >
>>> > HTH,
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 11:15 AM Noble,Stephen L. via BlindMath <
>>> > blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Sorry that Portuguese did not find its way into MathPlayer. I do see
>>> that
>>> > > the MathJax localization does include Portuguese, so if the page in
>>> > > question uses MathJax to serve the math, then you might be able to
>>> get it
>>> > > to work. There's a way to turn on the accessibility extension in
>>> MathJax,
>>> > > but you may need to check the documentation to figure ouit how to do
>>> > that.
>>> > > Perhaps here:
>>> > > http://docs.mathjax.org/en/latest/misc/accessibility-features.html
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > --Steve Noble
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > ________________________________
>>> > > From: Alberto Ortiz <alberto.ortiz.mendes at gmail.com>
>>> > > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:00 PM
>>> > > To: Noble,Stephen L.
>>> > > Cc: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>>> > > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Help with NVDA and MathML
>>> > >
>>> > > Thanks Steve
>>> > >
>>> > > I installed Mathplayer, now i can read some formulas on Internet
>>> > Explorer,
>>> > > but for some reason i still cant read on Mozzila.
>>> > >
>>> > > But now i realize that MathPlayer dont have Portuguese on his
>>> languages,
>>> > > is there anyway of reading formulas with NVDA without using
>>> MathPlayer.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > - --Alberto Ortiz
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Em Seg, 16 de jul de 2018 14:56, Noble,Stephen L. <
>>> > > steve.noble at louisville.edu<mailto:steve.noble at louisville.edu>>
>>> escreveu:
>>> > >
>>> > > If you are finding that NVDA is not reading the math expressions, be
>>> sure
>>> > > that you have MathPlayer installed on your PC. Here's the direct
>>> download
>>> > > link: https://www.dessci.com/en/dl/MathPlayerSetup.exe<
>>> > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.
>>> > dessci.com_en_dl_MathPlayerSetup.exe&d=DwMFaQ&c=
>>> > OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY&r=
>>> > 67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4&m=
>>> > csOtbkkIRpVXtwudVasf6FC5jGDPy0Aw95kmDwLt-9Q&s=
>>> > BJzi4fGs8TS1mMvwQtBBJSpIfwyZp1xo7uUYqi2NgWA&e=
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> > > You can read more about MathPlayer on this page:
>>> > > https://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathplayer/download.htm<
>>> > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.
>>> > dessci.com_en_products_mathplayer_download.htm&d=DwMFaQ&c=
>>> > OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY&r=
>>> > 67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4&m=
>>> > csOtbkkIRpVXtwudVasf6FC5jGDPy0Aw95kmDwLt-9Q&s=OE-
>>> > YPvhxRf50qOQJMR7D4ECcl4J9utQz0vqUd6e7g7k&e=
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Hope that helps,
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > --Steve Noble
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > ________________________________
>>> > > From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>>> > > blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org>> on behalf of Alberto Ortiz via
>>> BlindMath
>>> > <
>>> > > blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>>
>>> > > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 8:32 AM
>>> > > To: blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>>> > > Cc: Alberto Ortiz
>>> > > Subject: [BlindMath] Help with NVDA and MathML
>>> > >
>>> > > Hi everyone!
>>> > >
>>> > > I’m Alberto, and I work with Math texts in a VEL (Virtual Environment
>>> > > Learning) called
>>> > > Canvas and need NVDA to read formulas in this platform. However,
>>> Canvas
>>> > > sees LaTex as
>>> > > an image which NVDA cannot read. So far I´ve described all formulas
>>> like
>>> > > text from image
>>> > > attributes, so NVDA can read it. However, I need to find another way
>>> of
>>> > > doing this reading
>>> > > but run into the issues as follows.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > 1) Using of MathML
>>> > > I’ve looked in the old threads and, as far as I know, NVDA can read
>>> pages
>>> > > that use
>>> > > MathML. In YouTube, I’ve found a video that shows the reading being
>>> made:
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.
>>> > youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3Dckx-2Djl99Iic&d=DwIGaQ&c=
>>> > OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY&r=
>>> > 67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4&m=IiJF--XJbPEma-
>>> > eRSjBibl3VTs1ouk-pGYq9rvSjUME&s=bn6ozpu7vH2X5PjrOhSY_
>>> > QzlzgaBGdR0Q4JVM1NtPr4&e=
>>> > >
>>> > > I’ve installed NVDA to test this reading, but I couldn’t read it
>>> > properly.
>>> > > Therefore, I
>>> > > tried to read this page that is using MathML and I also failed:
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.
>>> > freedomscientific.com_content_html_jawshq_MathML-2DSamples.
>>> > html&d=DwIGaQ&c=OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY&r=
>>> > 67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4&m=IiJF--XJbPEma-
>>> > eRSjBibl3VTs1ouk-pGYq9rvSjUME&s=3ruHgaNQTW6aZALzqbbCNXqKnwk-
>>> > rldmu2dg_CWni7I&e=
>>> > >
>>> > > I use Firefox and the page loads correctly but NVDA doesn’t
>>> recognize the
>>> > > formulas
>>> > > and reads them as a normal text. In the third topic, for example, it
>>> > can’t
>>> > > recognize
>>> > > fractions. It reads them, again, as a text.
>>> > > Maybe I need some sort of NVDA’s plugin to do this reading?
>>> > >
>>> > > 2) Describing formulas
>>> > > Does any standard exist to describe formulas? I have difficulties to
>>> > > describe limits,
>>> > > matrixes and equations. Now, we’re describing formulas and making
>>> tests
>>> > > with a
>>> > > blind person to check if he can read, but we really need a describing
>>> > > template.
>>> > >
>>> > > Does
>>> > > anyone know if any type of template exists for it?
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Another and last thing: is there any page with examples of accessible
>>> > math
>>> > > texts? If
>>> > > they exist, do you know where I can consult them?
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