[BlindMath] BlindMath Digest, Vol 142, Issue 4
Brandon Keith Biggs
brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
Fri May 4 09:39:36 UTC 2018
Hello,
What is the best way of translating to and from Nemeth documents? I agree
that Nemeth is incredibly useful as a reading modality, but for typing, I
have not been able to find any user friendly method, other than using
something like the Braille Note Touch, to convert from Nemeth to print. Is
there such a tool? I remember hearing of a tool eight or nine years ago
that was being developed for this purpose, but it I haven't heard of it
since.
There are many options for converting from MathML or LaTeX to Nemeth though:
[DBT,]( http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbt_math.asp) which can use the
output from Mathtype and LaTeX to convert to Braille.
[LaTeX2Nemeth]( https://ctan.org/tex-archive/support/latex2nemeth?lang=en)
which is free but requires the use of the command line.
[Liblouis]( https://github.com/liblouis/liblouis) which converts from
MathML to Nemeth in NVDA and also has an API and command line tools.
[Jaws]( https://msf.mathmlcloud.org/assistive_technologies/2) also supports
Nemeth.
Thanks,
Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>
On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 12:30 AM, tolga karatas via BlindMath <
blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> bhavia;
>
> braille is the best alternative for you to complete maths exams etc;
>
> for example;
>
> I did a degree in BSC Business Information Technology; and I used
> Braille to help me to complete my Logic and Problem Solving Module
> which was a mathematics module;
>
> I would agree with Sabra 100%; that braille is the best alternative
> for a blind student to grasp the concepts of maths;
>
> if you did use Jaws Screen Reader; their is however an SBL; FILE;
> produced by Freedom Scientific; that you can use to interpret
> math/science chemical equations;
>
> if you need more info; please contact me off list; my details are as
> follows;
>
> tolga.karatas2014 at gmail.com
>
> Kind Regards;
>
>
> Tolga;
>
>
>
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> > 1. Re: Typing Math and Science Quickly and Understandably
> > (Rosanne Hoffmann)
> > 2. Re: Typing Math and Science Quickly and Understandably
> > (Bhavya shah)
> > 3. Re: Typing Math and Science Quickly and Understandably
> > (Bhavya shah)
> > 4. Re: Typing Math and Science Quickly and Understandably
> > (Noble,Stephen L.)
> > 5. Re: Typing Math and Science Quickly and Understandably
> > (Lukasz Grabowski)
> > 6. Re: Typing Math and Science Quickly and Understandably
> > (Godfrey, Jonathan)
> > 7. Re: Typing Math and Science Quickly and Understandably
> > (Godfrey, Jonathan)
> > 8. Re: Typing Math and Science Quickly and Understandably
> > (Lukasz Grabowski)
> > 9. Re: Typing Math and Science Quickly and Understandably
> > (Brandon Keith Biggs)
> > 10. Re: Typing Math and Science Quickly and Understandably
> > (Godfrey, Jonathan)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 12:40:27 +0000
> > From: Rosanne Hoffmann <rhoffmann at aph.org>
> > To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> > <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Typing Math and Science Quickly and
> > Understandably
> > Message-ID:
> > <BYAPR07MB4310861C910138148E4EA6D0AE870 at BYAPR07MB4310.
> namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Hi Bahvya,
> >
> > I work in the vision impairment field and am a friend and colleague of
> Dr.
> > Cary Supalo, mentioned in previous posts. Cary is a chemist and did
> teach at
> > the university level for several years. Now he works as a consultant at
> the
> > ETS (Educational Testing Service) in Princeton, New Jersey in the US. His
> > efforts are and have always been to level the playing field for students
> > with visual impairments pursuing STEM education. You can probably contact
> > him via the website in a previous post: independencescience.com
> >
> > Rosanne Hoffmann
> >
> > Rosanne Hoffmann, Ph.D.
> > STEM Project Leader
> > American Printing House for the Blind
> > 1839 Frankfort Ave.
> > Louisville, KY 40206
> > 502-899-2292
> > rhoffmann at aph.org
> >
> > The mission of the American Printing House for the Blind is to promote
> the
> > independence of people who are blind and visually impaired by providing
> > specialized materials, products, and services needed for education and
> > life.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bhavya
> > shah via BlindMath
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 7:04 PM
> > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Typing Math and Science Quickly and
> Understandably
> >
> > Hi Sabra,
> >
> > Thanks a lot for your detailed response.
> >
> > First off, I must confess that I have no knowledge and no intent of
> > procuring the same about Nemeth Braille or working with Math through
> Braille
> > in any other form. I have always exclusively relied on my computer to
> fulfil
> > my classroom, notetaking and examination needs and have never used
> Braille
> > for any practical purpose so far. I don?t think it would be worthwhile to
> > invest time in learning Math typing with Braille given that I have no
> > headstart or inclination of any sort anyways.
> >
> > ?Also note that you can use parentheses and brackets.? ? Could you
> explicate
> > this suggestion with an example? I am not too sure I properly follow you
> > here.
> >
> > ?The Pearce in equation editor can produce math in a visual format.? ?
> Could
> > Since a perfunctory Google search failed in yielding further information
> > about the mentioned tool, could you please share any links or sites to
> learn
> > more about Pearce? Also, just to clarify, typing Math such that it is
> > visually readable is not one of my top priorities at the moment. I am
> keen
> > more on being able to take mathematical and scientific notes rapidly,
> and in
> > a way that I can directly understand what I have typed while referring to
> > the same again at a later date.
> > With my present techniques, especially LaTeX with MathType, I tend to
> need
> > to read a fairly simple equation multiple times and even part by part
> before
> > it registers entirely in my head.
> >
> > ?Do not type on your phone as I am doing now because it is much slower.?
> ? I
> > have no intention to use a Touch Screen or software keyboard on a
> Smartphone
> > or Tablet to for academic purposes, let alone mathematic and scientific
> > notetaking. :)
> >
> > ?You can copy previous steps to your clipboard, paste them, and then
> modify
> > them to create your future steps.? ? I do this currently for the very use
> > case you described, that of balancing chemical equations.
> > As you have recommended, I could probably broaden this practice to
> solving
> > numerical problems too.
> >
> > ?Another thing you can do is request things in electronic format.? ? I
> will
> > be in a fairly good position in this regard, for I have a great
> > rehabilitation institute in my city with which I have been long
> affiliated
> > and of which I have been an erstwhile beneficiary, who have will make
> this
> > aspect of my education easier for me. However, I am still thinking about
> the
> > preferred format of my Math and Science material, because due to a
> variety
> > of reasons, I wasn?t all that comfortable with Math ML present in MS Word
> > created using MathType and then read by NVDA using Math Player. With
> > reference to tackling graphs, charts and diagrams, again, it is likely
> that
> > I might get some important but excessively visual diagrams converted into
> > tactile graphics, so I am in a good position there too. I have heard
> about
> > sonification of curves through software like Math Trax and Audio Graphing
> > Calculator, and thanks for your added input about 3D exploding pie
> charts,
> > but I think I will probably start exploring these when I reach syllabus
> > dealing with graphs. I am a little overwhelmed with straightening out the
> > basics before I plunge into the more specific solutions to deal with
> > particular chapters and concepts.
> >
> > For the most part, I will not be doing practicals in a big way,
> especially
> > not as part of coaching for this engineering entrance examination, but if
> > you can get the exact name of this blind chemist (I tried ?sapalo blind
> > chemist? in Google to no avail), even if just for trivia and to quench my
> > curiosity, it would be quite fascinating to understand how this
> individual
> > works.
> >
> > Again, many thanks for your prompt but comprehensive set of suggested
> > solutions.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > On 5/2/18, Sabra Ewing <sabra1023 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I typed most of my math using the first method. You might be able to
> >> type more quickly if you had a braille keyboard. Also note that you
> >> can use parentheses and brackets. The Pearce in equation editor can
> >> produce math in a visual format. It is free. The braille note touch
> >> can do this as well although it is very expensive. I would definitely
> >> say to use a keyboard. Do not type on your phone as I am doing now
> >> because it is much slower. Another thing you can do is use copy and
> >> paste. You do not have to type everything from scratch. You can copy
> >> previous steps to your clipboard, paste them, and then modify them to
> >> create your future steps. Like for example, you might write a chemical
> >> equation that is not balanced. Paste this equation underneath it so
> >> you have two copies of the same equation. Then, take the first step
> >> toward balancing that equation and make those changes to your second
> >> copy. Now you have your equation and underneath it, you have the
> >> modified version with step one completed, so copied the version with
> >> step one completed to your clipboard and paste it underneath. Now you
> >> have the original equation, and you have two copies of step one.
> >> Modified the second copy of step one based on what you plan to do in
> >> step two. Continue this method until you have finished the problem.
> >> With a braille keyboard, you should be able to type as fast as someone
> >> can speak and even faster. If you cannot or a braille keyboard is not
> >> an option, you can record what is being said with a phone or other
> >> recording device and you can then go back over it. Another thing you
> >> can do is request things in electronic format. Mini American
> >> professors do not know how to create accessible math when it is really
> >> very easy as you described. You do not have to know any markup
> >> languages. You can create accessible math just by using your computer
> >> keyboard, and in many cases, if you are a computer science student,
> >> your math is in the perfect format to just paste right over into your
> >> ide. Maybe Indian professors would be better at creating accessible.
> >> If not, you might be able to find someone who can do it. This will be
> >> especially easy if you can find some funding. I was not lucky in this
> >> regard because other than professors, I never found a dedicated person
> >> who knew how to produce accessible math. I finally got to a position
> >> where I could no longer receive accessible math because I moved on to
> >> a four-year university where the professors did not know how to
> >> produce it. It is very ironic that when I started out at a two year
> >> university, the professors did know how to produce it. I approach
> >> programmers, professors, deans, and department head. No one actually
> >> knew how including the programmers who produce accessible math every
> >> day. I finally had to end up listening to my math on recordings and
> >> writing everything down. It was very difficult. If you want to get
> >> math in braille, there is software that can do it called Duxberry.
> >> Ironically, my university actually had this software, but no one knew
> >> how to use it including the people who worked at disability services.
> >> Getting it for yourself will not be helpful. If you get this software,
> >> you will need someone who can modify the equations for you. If your
> >> professor has files that were generated from a markup language, you
> >> could try asking for those source files. Even if you do not know the
> >> markup language, math is written very similarly when you are
> >> programming computers, so you could probably pick up how to read it.
> >> Unfortunately, my professors used PDFs that they got from other
> >> sources or pictures of hand written documents so I could not do this.
> >> People will try to tell you that Matt cannot be produced excessively
> >> on the computer. This simply is not true. Every mathematical formula,
> >> function, and number known to humankind can be programmed into a
> >> computer using a text based programming language. Also, many of these
> >> functions and formulas can be put into XL. If you can put these
> >> formulas into XL, then you can produce them accessibly in a word
> >> document. If someone is trying to tell you that they can't, then just
> >> tell them to put it in a spreadsheet, press
> >> F2 on the cells, and read the formulas that way. XL is very good
> >> because you can use it to organize data, you can use it as a
> >> calculator, and you can use it to create tables and graphs. You can
> >> put these documents in your dropbox and you can get the pictures of
> >> the graphs. You can then import these pictures into the voice app on
> >> your phone and you can listen to them. If you are going to listen to
> >> pie charts, to make it easier on yourself to read, use the 3-D
> >> exploding pie charts. This may sound counterintuitive, but when you
> >> listen to them, there is a bit more separation between each piece. I
> >> don't know how you would get training to listen to grass. I just
> >> automatically was born knowing how to do it. No one ever taught me. I
> >> could always listen to graphs very easily and I could never read tactile
> >> graphics.
> >> There is also a program called math tracks where you can create audio
> >> graphs by entering in equations.However, it is really best to have
> >> both the equation and the data because what if you created a graph
> >> using any equation, and you need to make some changes to the data?
> >> Well, you don't have the data, so what are you going to do? You could
> >> probably generate the data from the equation in some cases, but that
> >> will take forever. I like to listen to a graph and have the spreadsheet
> in
> >> front of me at the same time.
> >> There is also a blind chemist named Dr. sapalo. I'm not sure how to
> >> spell his name. I have his card somewhere but I just have to find it.
> >> I really wish people would start using those barcode Cards where I can
> >> scan the contact information into my phone, but I only know one person
> >> who uses those. Anyways, You may want to get in touch with him. He has
> >> all of these probes. They do all different things. They connect to a
> >> computer and they can measure chemical reactions and make graphs and
> >> do all this stuff depending on what probe you use. For example, you
> >> could use one probe to graph the color changes that occur during an
> >> experiment. You could use another probe to track temperature changes
> >> like ice melting. I don't really do chemistry, but if I did, I imagine
> >> I would want this thing, but I can't remember what it is called. But
> >> he is actually a chemistry professor at a university. He is totally
> >> blind and he teaches classes and runs labs and does all sorts of
> >> things. There are plenty of blind computer scientists, but he struck
> >> my interest in particular because I have not heard of mini blind
> >> chemists. He also had some good advice for 3-D printing that would
> >> work in the United States, but I am not sure if it would work in
> >> India. If possible though, you may want to get some 3-D models
> >> printed. Another thing is that you want to stay consistent. You want
> >> to make sure that you are doing things in the classroom the same way
> >> you will do them during testing. In my chemistry class, I did not have
> >> access to a lot of 3-D models, but for testing purposes, they made me
> >> a 3-D model. This really was not fair because it was made out of a lot
> >> of cups and straws. I did not know what it was, and it is not fair to
> >> use models for testing purposes that you did not use in the classroom
> >> or to use a different method for testing purposes that you did not use
> >> in the classroom because this will skew the results. If you use certain
> >> accommodations in the classroom, insist on the same accommodations for
> >> testing.
> >>
> >> Sabra Ewing
> >>
> >>> On May 1, 2018, at 5:22 PM, Bhavya shah via BlindMath
> >>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dear all,
> >>>
> >>> I am Bhavya Shah, a totally blind 16-year-old student from Mumbai,
> >>> India. Having just completed my tenth grade with the same Mathematics
> >>> and Science syllabus as my sighted peers in a mainstream school, I
> >>> intend to take up the Science stream according to the Indian
> >>> education system for Classes 11 and 12 with the subject combination
> >>> of
> >>> Physics+Chemistry+Mathematics, and probably take up something along
> >>> the lines of Computer Science for my undergraduate studies after that
> >>> (although I shouldn?t overly worry about about finalizing that for
> >>> now, I suppose). Additionally, I shall be enrolling into coaching for
> >>> a very competitive pan-India engineering entrance examination over
> >>> the next two years where I will be delving into particularly advanced
> >>> topics in to the three afore-mentioned subjects.
> >>>
> >>> Till Class 10, I managed an overwhelming chunk of Math either orally
> >>> or mentally, and from what I have been informed, have dealt with
> >>> relatively very simple organic structures, general numericals and
> >>> chemical equations which I have been handling mostly via plain text.
> >>> It has become increasingly clear to me that this makeshift method
> >>> will be extremely inefficient and consequently infeasible for the
> >>> kind of syllabus I am transitioning to. Hence, I am looking for
> >>> different techniques, tools or methods of typing Math and Science
> >>> that will allow me to be as rapid a Math&Science typist as I am of
> >>> the English language (at its peak, my fingers have achieved about 100
> >>> WPM) so that I can cope with the daily rigor this coaching demands. I
> >>> need to be able to type mathematical and scientific content
> >>> accurately and swiftly not necessarily such that it is visually
> >>> readable by a sighted professor but more so for my own reference,
> >>> understanding and purposes of review and revision.
> >>>
> >>> So far, I am versed only with two options ? ASCII Math, where I would
> >>> just type Math and Science using standard symbols present on any
> >>> keyboard such as /, *, ^ and so on to denote different things
> >>> (perhaps
> >>> (x+2)/x-1)) in chiefly plain text, or type things in LaTeX using
> >>> MathType ($\frac{x+2}{x-1}$) and employ Math Player and NVDA to read
> >>> it. From my basic understanding of this and limited past experience
> >>> with each of these methods, the former sounds much faster and more
> >>> efficient to me, but I am open to evidence and experiences suggesting
> >>> otherwise. There are various other Math typing tools I have heard
> >>> about over the years such as Infty Reader and Lean Math, but have
> >>> never adequately researched them let alone used them to any extent.
> >>> Any information or instructional material on these and other
> >>> potential alternatives you would recommend would be of great help too.
> >>>
> >>> I would truly appreciate any assistance on different strategies you
> >>> may have used to math your sighted counterparts? speed in terms of
> >>> writing and solving mathematical and scientific material, questions
> >>> and problem sets.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Best Regards
> >>> Bhavya Shah
> >>>
> >>> Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons:
> >>> https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
> >>>
> >>> Contacting Me
> >>> E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125 at gmail.com
> >>> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/
> >>> Twitter: @BhavyaShah125
> >>> Skype: bhavya.09
> >>>
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> >
> >
> > --
> > Best Regards
> > Bhavya Shah
> >
> > Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
> >
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> > E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125 at gmail.com
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 01:35:01 +0530
> > From: Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125 at gmail.com>
> > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Typing Math and Science Quickly and
> > Understandably
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> >
> > Hi Brandon,
> >
> > In essence, this method is very similar to how I used to use LaTeX of
> > MathType to generate Math ML content that was visually readible and
> > screen reader firnedly with the help of NVDA and Math Player. However,
> > my only two concerns are that using LaTeX or any other standardized
> > Math code to type would almost invariably mean (1) slightly longer and
> > stricter syntax that would need to be mandatorily followed, and (2)
> > there are several reasons, some of which include lack of customization
> > in pronunciation and excessive pausing, why I found reading Math ML
> > with the help of Math Player and NVDA somewhat cumbersome in my past
> > experiences. If I come to think of it, it is quite certain that at
> > some point in time, either for typing my own Math&Science or for
> > reading my transcribed course material, I will need to deal with Math
> > ML using Math Player and NVDA, so in a day at most, I will be retrying
> > Math ML and sharing some of the more significant concerns and issues I
> > have with interacting with Math ML.
> >
> > Kindly let me know if my present understanding of the method you
> > described that this is just Pandoc instead of MathType and commandline
> > instead of Word for using LaTeX to generate Math ML content is
> > fundamentally incorrect.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > On 5/3/18, Brandon Keith Biggs via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >> Markdown with LaTeX is perfect for you. Here is an example that Lukasz
> >> (from this list wrote):
> >>
> >> ## Parametric Forms
> >>
> >> *transcriber: system of two equations, each one has an extra information
> >> after comma*
> >> \
> >> $x = t^2 -2t$, $dx = 2t-2$
> >> \
> >> $y= t+1$, minimum at $t=1$
> >> \
> >> *transcriber: end of the system*
> >>
> >> For window:
> >> \
> >> $t$ from $[-2,4]$, $t$ step $= 0.1$
> >> \
> >> $x$ from $[-1,10]$
> >> \
> >> $y$ from $[-1,5]$
> >>
> >> # something easier
> >>
> >> $3x + y = 10$
> >> \
> >> $9 * 5 = 45$
> >> \
> >> Fractions
> >> \
> >> $\frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{2} = 1$
> >>
> >>
> >> This converts perfectly to MathML using pandoc:
> >> https://pandoc.org/
> >>
> >> You install pandoc, open a command line where you have the math content
> >> and
> >> type:
> >>
> >> pandoc my_math_file.md --mathml -s -o my_html_output_file.html
> >>
> >> You can give your professor the html file and they can read it in print
> >> just fine. If you have a Braille display, the MathML shows up just fine
> >> and
> >> it is also read by the screen reader. NVDA requires Math player (see the
> >> user guide under reading math content for more info).
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >>
> >> Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Sean Tikkun via BlindMath <
> >> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Bhavya Shah,
> >>>
> >>> I am assembling a team to generate 3D models to assist in learning.
> >>> The
> >>> team leaders are a former math teacher fluent in Braille (me) and a
> >>> Fabrication lab director that teaches Biological and Chemical Sciences
> >>> at
> >>> the University level. If you have access to 3D printing I would love to
> >>> know what you may need. Files are easy to send. If not, perhaps there
> is
> >>> a
> >>> fabrication lab at a university in Mumbai that would be interested in
> >>> some
> >>> collaboration?
> >>> Feel free to reach out. stikkun at nccu.edu.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sean Tikkun
> >>> Apple Distinguished Educator
> >>> class of 2007
> >>>
> >>> On May 01, 2018, at 08:51 PM, Sabra Ewing via BlindMath <
> >>> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I typed most of my math using the first method. You might be able to
> >>> type
> >>> more quickly if you had a braille keyboard. Also note that you can use
> >>> parentheses and brackets. The Pearce in equation editor can produce
> math
> >>> in
> >>> a visual format. It is free. The braille note touch can do this as well
> >>> although it is very expensive. I would definitely say to use a
> keyboard.
> >>> Do
> >>> not type on your phone as I am doing now because it is much slower.
> >>> Another
> >>> thing you can do is use copy and paste. You do not have to type
> >>> everything
> >>> from scratch. You can copy previous steps to your clipboard, paste
> them,
> >>> and then modify them to create your future steps. Like for example, you
> >>> might write a chemical equation that is not balanced. Paste this
> >>> equation
> >>> underneath it so you have two copies of the same equation. Then, take
> >>> the
> >>> first step toward balancing that equation and make those changes to
> your
> >>> second copy. Now you have your equation and underneath it, you have the
> >>> modified version with step one completed, so copied the version with
> >>> step
> >>> one completed to your clipboard and paste it underneath. Now you have
> >>> the
> >>> original equation, and you have two copies of step one. Modified the
> >>> second
> >>> copy of step one based on what you plan to do in step two. Continue
> this
> >>> method until you have finished the problem. With a braille keyboard,
> you
> >>> should be able to type as fast as someone can speak and even faster. If
> >>> you
> >>> cannot or a braille keyboard is not an option, you can record what is
> >>> being
> >>> said with a phone or other recording device and you can then go back
> >>> over
> >>> it. Another thing you can do is request things in electronic format.
> >>> Mini
> >>> American professors do not know how to create accessible math when it
> is
> >>> really very easy as you described. You do not have to know any markup
> >>> languages. You can create accessible math just by using your computer
> >>> keyboard, and in many cases, if you are a computer science student,
> your
> >>> math is in the perfect format to just paste right over into your ide.
> >>> Maybe
> >>> Indian professors would be better at creating accessible. If not, you
> >>> might
> >>> be able to find someone who can do it. This will be especially easy if
> >>> you
> >>> can find some funding. I was not lucky in this regard because other
> than
> >>> professors, I never found a dedicated person who knew how to produce
> >>> accessible math. I finally got to a position where I could no longer
> >>> receive accessible math because I moved on to a four-year university
> >>> where
> >>> the professors did not know how to produce it. It is very ironic that
> >>> when
> >>> I started out at a two year university, the professors did know how to
> >>> produce it. I approach programmers, professors, deans, and department
> >>> head.
> >>> No one actually knew how including the programmers who produce
> >>> accessible
> >>> math every day. I finally had to end up listening to my math on
> >>> recordings
> >>> and writing everything down. It was very difficult. If you want to get
> >>> math
> >>> in braille, there is software that can do it called Duxberry.
> >>> Ironically,
> >>> my university actually had this software, but no one knew how to use it
> >>> including the people who worked at disability services. Getting it for
> >>> yourself will not be helpful. If you get this software, you will need
> >>> someone who can modify the equations for you. If your professor has
> >>> files
> >>> that were generated from a markup language, you could try asking for
> >>> those
> >>> source files. Even if you do not know the markup language, math is
> >>> written
> >>> very similarly when you are programming computers, so you could
> probably
> >>> pick up how to read it. Unfortunately, my professors used PDFs that
> they
> >>> got from other sources or pictures of hand written documents so I could
> >>> not
> >>> do this. People will try to tell you that Matt cannot be produced
> >>> excessively on the computer. This simply is not true. Every
> mathematical
> >>> formula, function, and number known to humankind can be programmed into
> >>> a
> >>> computer using a text based programming language. Also, many of these
> >>> functions and formulas can be put into XL. If you can put these
> formulas
> >>> into XL, then you can produce them accessibly in a word document. If
> >>> someone is trying to tell you that they can't, then just tell them to
> >>> put
> >>> it in a spreadsheet, press F2 on the cells, and read the formulas that
> >>> way.
> >>> XL is very good because you can use it to organize data, you can use it
> >>> as
> >>> a calculator, and you can use it to create tables and graphs. You can
> >>> put
> >>> these documents in your dropbox and you can get the pictures of the
> >>> graphs.
> >>> You can then import these pictures into the voice app on your phone and
> >>> you
> >>> can listen to them. If you are going to listen to pie charts, to make
> it
> >>> easier on yourself to read, use the 3-D exploding pie charts. This may
> >>> sound counterintuitive, but when you listen to them, there is a bit
> more
> >>> separation between each piece. I don't know how you would get training
> >>> to
> >>> listen to grass. I just automatically was born knowing how to do it. No
> >>> one
> >>> ever taught me. I could always listen to graphs very easily and I could
> >>> never read tactile graphics. There is also a program called math tracks
> >>> where you can create audio graphs by entering in equations.However, it
> >>> is
> >>> really best to have both the equation and the data because what if you
> >>> created a graph using any equation, and you need to make some changes
> to
> >>> the data? Well, you don't have the data, so what are you going to do?
> >>> You
> >>> could probably generate the data from the equation in some cases, but
> >>> that
> >>> will take forever. I like to listen to a graph and have the spreadsheet
> >>> in
> >>> front of me at the same time. There is also a blind chemist named Dr.
> >>> sapalo. I'm not sure how to spell his name. I have his card somewhere
> >>> but
> >>> I
> >>> just have to find it. I really wish people would start using those
> >>> barcode
> >>> Cards where I can scan the contact information into my phone, but I
> only
> >>> know one person who uses those. Anyways, You may want to get in touch
> >>> with
> >>> him. He has all of these probes. They do all different things. They
> >>> connect
> >>> to a computer and they can measure chemical reactions and make graphs
> >>> and
> >>> do all this stuff depending on what probe you use. For example, you
> >>> could
> >>> use one probe to graph the color changes that occur during an
> >>> experiment.
> >>> You could use another probe to track temperature changes like ice
> >>> melting.
> >>> I don't really do chemistry, but if I did, I imagine I would want this
> >>> thing, but I can't remember what it is called. But he is actually a
> >>> chemistry professor at a university. He is totally blind and he teaches
> >>> classes and runs labs and does all sorts of things. There are plenty of
> >>> blind computer scientists, but he struck my interest in particular
> >>> because
> >>> I have not heard of mini blind chemists. He also had some good advice
> >>> for
> >>> 3-D printing that would work in the United States, but I am not sure if
> >>> it
> >>> would work in India. If possible though, you may want to get some 3-D
> >>> models printed. Another thing is that you want to stay consistent. You
> >>> want
> >>> to make sure that you are doing things in the classroom the same way
> you
> >>> will do them during testing. In my chemistry class, I did not have
> >>> access
> >>> to a lot of 3-D models, but for testing purposes, they made me a 3-D
> >>> model.
> >>> This really was not fair because it was made out of a lot of cups and
> >>> straws. I did not know what it was, and it is not fair to use models
> for
> >>> testing purposes that you did not use in the classroom or to use a
> >>> different method for testing purposes that you did not use in the
> >>> classroom
> >>> because this will skew the results. If you use certain accommodations
> in
> >>> the classroom, insist on the same accommodations for testing.
> >>>
> >>> Sabra Ewing
> >>>
> >>> On May 1, 2018, at 5:22 PM, Bhavya shah via BlindMath <
> >>> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dear all,
> >>>
> >>> I am Bhavya Shah, a totally blind 16-year-old student from Mumbai,
> >>> India. Having just completed my tenth grade with the same Mathematics
> >>> and Science syllabus as my sighted peers in a mainstream school, I
> >>> intend to take up the Science stream according to the Indian education
> >>> system for Classes 11 and 12 with the subject combination of
> >>> Physics+Chemistry+Mathematics, and probably take up something along
> >>> the lines of Computer Science for my undergraduate studies after that
> >>> (although I shouldn?t overly worry about about finalizing that for
> >>> now, I suppose). Additionally, I shall be enrolling into coaching for
> >>> a very competitive pan-India engineering entrance examination over the
> >>> next two years where I will be delving into particularly advanced
> >>> topics in to the three afore-mentioned subjects.
> >>>
> >>> Till Class 10, I managed an overwhelming chunk of Math either orally
> >>> or mentally, and from what I have been informed, have dealt with
> >>> relatively very simple organic structures, general numericals and
> >>> chemical equations which I have been handling mostly via plain text.
> >>> It has become increasingly clear to me that this makeshift method will
> >>> be extremely inefficient and consequently infeasible for the kind of
> >>> syllabus I am transitioning to. Hence, I am looking for different
> >>> techniques, tools or methods of typing Math and Science that will
> >>> allow me to be as rapid a Math&Science typist as I am of the English
> >>> language (at its peak, my fingers have achieved about 100 WPM) so that
> >>> I can cope with the daily rigor this coaching demands. I need to be
> >>> able to type mathematical and scientific content accurately and
> >>> swiftly not necessarily such that it is visually readable by a sighted
> >>> professor but more so for my own reference, understanding and purposes
> >>> of review and revision.
> >>>
> >>> So far, I am versed only with two options ? ASCII Math, where I would
> >>> just type Math and Science using standard symbols present on any
> >>> keyboard such as /, *, ^ and so on to denote different things (perhaps
> >>> (x+2)/x-1)) in chiefly plain text, or type things in LaTeX using
> >>> MathType ($\frac{x+2}{x-1}$) and employ Math Player and NVDA to read
> >>> it. From my basic understanding of this and limited past experience
> >>> with each of these methods, the former sounds much faster and more
> >>> efficient to me, but I am open to evidence and experiences suggesting
> >>> otherwise. There are various other Math typing tools I have heard
> >>> about over the years such as Infty Reader and Lean Math, but have
> >>> never adequately researched them let alone used them to any extent.
> >>> Any information or instructional material on these and other potential
> >>> alternatives you would recommend would be of great help too.
> >>>
> >>> I would truly appreciate any assistance on different strategies you
> >>> may have used to math your sighted counterparts? speed in terms of
> >>> writing and solving mathematical and scientific material, questions
> >>> and problem sets.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Best Regards
> >>> Bhavya Shah
> >>>
> >>> Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.
> wordpress.com/
> >>>
> >>> Contacting Me
> >>> E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125 at gmail.com
> >>> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/
> >>> Twitter: @BhavyaShah125
> >>> Skype: bhavya.09
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> >
> > --
> > Best Regards
> > Bhavya Shah
> >
> > Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
> >
> > Contacting Me
> > E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125 at gmail.com
> > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/
> > Twitter: @BhavyaShah125
> > Skype: bhavya.09
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 01:39:19 +0530
> > From: Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125 at gmail.com>
> > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Typing Math and Science Quickly and
> > Understandably
> > Message-ID:
> > <CACHadJ3C9tjbXpu5CbJ0jguBkub=-NoOB-x3tRXkwX2x6eMsTg at mail.
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> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > Hi Louis and Rosanne,
> >
> > Thanks for sharing the contact details of Dr. Cary Supalo as well as
> > about his organisation. I have briefly went through his website, and
> > will surely reach out to him in the future if the need arises. I will
> > also shortly be reading the summary of the STEM seminar of the 2017
> > NFB Convvention which you shared, Louis. Many thanks once again for
> > sharing all these resources.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > On 5/4/18, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hi Brandon,
> >>
> >> In essence, this method is very similar to how I used to use LaTeX of
> >> MathType to generate Math ML content that was visually readible and
> >> screen reader firnedly with the help of NVDA and Math Player. However,
> >> my only two concerns are that using LaTeX or any other standardized
> >> Math code to type would almost invariably mean (1) slightly longer and
> >> stricter syntax that would need to be mandatorily followed, and (2)
> >> there are several reasons, some of which include lack of customization
> >> in pronunciation and excessive pausing, why I found reading Math ML
> >> with the help of Math Player and NVDA somewhat cumbersome in my past
> >> experiences. If I come to think of it, it is quite certain that at
> >> some point in time, either for typing my own Math&Science or for
> >> reading my transcribed course material, I will need to deal with Math
> >> ML using Math Player and NVDA, so in a day at most, I will be retrying
> >> Math ML and sharing some of the more significant concerns and issues I
> >> have with interacting with Math ML.
> >>
> >> Kindly let me know if my present understanding of the method you
> >> described that this is just Pandoc instead of MathType and commandline
> >> instead of Word for using LaTeX to generate Math ML content is
> >> fundamentally incorrect.
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> On 5/3/18, Brandon Keith Biggs via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>> Hello,
> >>> Markdown with LaTeX is perfect for you. Here is an example that Lukasz
> >>> (from this list wrote):
> >>>
> >>> ## Parametric Forms
> >>>
> >>> *transcriber: system of two equations, each one has an extra
> information
> >>> after comma*
> >>> \
> >>> $x = t^2 -2t$, $dx = 2t-2$
> >>> \
> >>> $y= t+1$, minimum at $t=1$
> >>> \
> >>> *transcriber: end of the system*
> >>>
> >>> For window:
> >>> \
> >>> $t$ from $[-2,4]$, $t$ step $= 0.1$
> >>> \
> >>> $x$ from $[-1,10]$
> >>> \
> >>> $y$ from $[-1,5]$
> >>>
> >>> # something easier
> >>>
> >>> $3x + y = 10$
> >>> \
> >>> $9 * 5 = 45$
> >>> \
> >>> Fractions
> >>> \
> >>> $\frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{2} = 1$
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> This converts perfectly to MathML using pandoc:
> >>> https://pandoc.org/
> >>>
> >>> You install pandoc, open a command line where you have the math content
> >>> and
> >>> type:
> >>>
> >>> pandoc my_math_file.md --mathml -s -o my_html_output_file.html
> >>>
> >>> You can give your professor the html file and they can read it in print
> >>> just fine. If you have a Braille display, the MathML shows up just fine
> >>> and
> >>> it is also read by the screen reader. NVDA requires Math player (see
> the
> >>> user guide under reading math content for more info).
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Sean Tikkun via BlindMath <
> >>> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Bhavya Shah,
> >>>>
> >>>> I am assembling a team to generate 3D models to assist in learning.
> >>>> The
> >>>> team leaders are a former math teacher fluent in Braille (me) and a
> >>>> Fabrication lab director that teaches Biological and Chemical Sciences
> >>>> at
> >>>> the University level. If you have access to 3D printing I would love
> to
> >>>> know what you may need. Files are easy to send. If not, perhaps there
> >>>> is
> >>>> a
> >>>> fabrication lab at a university in Mumbai that would be interested in
> >>>> some
> >>>> collaboration?
> >>>> Feel free to reach out. stikkun at nccu.edu.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Sean Tikkun
> >>>> Apple Distinguished Educator
> >>>> class of 2007
> >>>>
> >>>> On May 01, 2018, at 08:51 PM, Sabra Ewing via BlindMath <
> >>>> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I typed most of my math using the first method. You might be able to
> >>>> type
> >>>> more quickly if you had a braille keyboard. Also note that you can use
> >>>> parentheses and brackets. The Pearce in equation editor can produce
> >>>> math
> >>>> in
> >>>> a visual format. It is free. The braille note touch can do this as
> well
> >>>> although it is very expensive. I would definitely say to use a
> >>>> keyboard.
> >>>> Do
> >>>> not type on your phone as I am doing now because it is much slower.
> >>>> Another
> >>>> thing you can do is use copy and paste. You do not have to type
> >>>> everything
> >>>> from scratch. You can copy previous steps to your clipboard, paste
> >>>> them,
> >>>> and then modify them to create your future steps. Like for example,
> you
> >>>> might write a chemical equation that is not balanced. Paste this
> >>>> equation
> >>>> underneath it so you have two copies of the same equation. Then, take
> >>>> the
> >>>> first step toward balancing that equation and make those changes to
> >>>> your
> >>>> second copy. Now you have your equation and underneath it, you have
> the
> >>>> modified version with step one completed, so copied the version with
> >>>> step
> >>>> one completed to your clipboard and paste it underneath. Now you have
> >>>> the
> >>>> original equation, and you have two copies of step one. Modified the
> >>>> second
> >>>> copy of step one based on what you plan to do in step two. Continue
> >>>> this
> >>>> method until you have finished the problem. With a braille keyboard,
> >>>> you
> >>>> should be able to type as fast as someone can speak and even faster.
> If
> >>>> you
> >>>> cannot or a braille keyboard is not an option, you can record what is
> >>>> being
> >>>> said with a phone or other recording device and you can then go back
> >>>> over
> >>>> it. Another thing you can do is request things in electronic format.
> >>>> Mini
> >>>> American professors do not know how to create accessible math when it
> >>>> is
> >>>> really very easy as you described. You do not have to know any markup
> >>>> languages. You can create accessible math just by using your computer
> >>>> keyboard, and in many cases, if you are a computer science student,
> >>>> your
> >>>> math is in the perfect format to just paste right over into your ide.
> >>>> Maybe
> >>>> Indian professors would be better at creating accessible. If not, you
> >>>> might
> >>>> be able to find someone who can do it. This will be especially easy if
> >>>> you
> >>>> can find some funding. I was not lucky in this regard because other
> >>>> than
> >>>> professors, I never found a dedicated person who knew how to produce
> >>>> accessible math. I finally got to a position where I could no longer
> >>>> receive accessible math because I moved on to a four-year university
> >>>> where
> >>>> the professors did not know how to produce it. It is very ironic that
> >>>> when
> >>>> I started out at a two year university, the professors did know how to
> >>>> produce it. I approach programmers, professors, deans, and department
> >>>> head.
> >>>> No one actually knew how including the programmers who produce
> >>>> accessible
> >>>> math every day. I finally had to end up listening to my math on
> >>>> recordings
> >>>> and writing everything down. It was very difficult. If you want to get
> >>>> math
> >>>> in braille, there is software that can do it called Duxberry.
> >>>> Ironically,
> >>>> my university actually had this software, but no one knew how to use
> it
> >>>> including the people who worked at disability services. Getting it for
> >>>> yourself will not be helpful. If you get this software, you will need
> >>>> someone who can modify the equations for you. If your professor has
> >>>> files
> >>>> that were generated from a markup language, you could try asking for
> >>>> those
> >>>> source files. Even if you do not know the markup language, math is
> >>>> written
> >>>> very similarly when you are programming computers, so you could
> >>>> probably
> >>>> pick up how to read it. Unfortunately, my professors used PDFs that
> >>>> they
> >>>> got from other sources or pictures of hand written documents so I
> could
> >>>> not
> >>>> do this. People will try to tell you that Matt cannot be produced
> >>>> excessively on the computer. This simply is not true. Every
> >>>> mathematical
> >>>> formula, function, and number known to humankind can be programmed
> into
> >>>> a
> >>>> computer using a text based programming language. Also, many of these
> >>>> functions and formulas can be put into XL. If you can put these
> >>>> formulas
> >>>> into XL, then you can produce them accessibly in a word document. If
> >>>> someone is trying to tell you that they can't, then just tell them to
> >>>> put
> >>>> it in a spreadsheet, press F2 on the cells, and read the formulas that
> >>>> way.
> >>>> XL is very good because you can use it to organize data, you can use
> it
> >>>> as
> >>>> a calculator, and you can use it to create tables and graphs. You can
> >>>> put
> >>>> these documents in your dropbox and you can get the pictures of the
> >>>> graphs.
> >>>> You can then import these pictures into the voice app on your phone
> and
> >>>> you
> >>>> can listen to them. If you are going to listen to pie charts, to make
> >>>> it
> >>>> easier on yourself to read, use the 3-D exploding pie charts. This may
> >>>> sound counterintuitive, but when you listen to them, there is a bit
> >>>> more
> >>>> separation between each piece. I don't know how you would get training
> >>>> to
> >>>> listen to grass. I just automatically was born knowing how to do it.
> No
> >>>> one
> >>>> ever taught me. I could always listen to graphs very easily and I
> could
> >>>> never read tactile graphics. There is also a program called math
> tracks
> >>>> where you can create audio graphs by entering in equations.However, it
> >>>> is
> >>>> really best to have both the equation and the data because what if you
> >>>> created a graph using any equation, and you need to make some changes
> >>>> to
> >>>> the data? Well, you don't have the data, so what are you going to do?
> >>>> You
> >>>> could probably generate the data from the equation in some cases, but
> >>>> that
> >>>> will take forever. I like to listen to a graph and have the
> spreadsheet
> >>>> in
> >>>> front of me at the same time. There is also a blind chemist named Dr.
> >>>> sapalo. I'm not sure how to spell his name. I have his card somewhere
> >>>> but
> >>>> I
> >>>> just have to find it. I really wish people would start using those
> >>>> barcode
> >>>> Cards where I can scan the contact information into my phone, but I
> >>>> only
> >>>> know one person who uses those. Anyways, You may want to get in touch
> >>>> with
> >>>> him. He has all of these probes. They do all different things. They
> >>>> connect
> >>>> to a computer and they can measure chemical reactions and make graphs
> >>>> and
> >>>> do all this stuff depending on what probe you use. For example, you
> >>>> could
> >>>> use one probe to graph the color changes that occur during an
> >>>> experiment.
> >>>> You could use another probe to track temperature changes like ice
> >>>> melting.
> >>>> I don't really do chemistry, but if I did, I imagine I would want this
> >>>> thing, but I can't remember what it is called. But he is actually a
> >>>> chemistry professor at a university. He is totally blind and he
> teaches
> >>>> classes and runs labs and does all sorts of things. There are plenty
> of
> >>>> blind computer scientists, but he struck my interest in particular
> >>>> because
> >>>> I have not heard of mini blind chemists. He also had some good advice
> >>>> for
> >>>> 3-D printing that would work in the United States, but I am not sure
> if
> >>>> it
> >>>> would work in India. If possible though, you may want to get some 3-D
> >>>> models printed. Another thing is that you want to stay consistent. You
> >>>> want
> >>>> to make sure that you are doing things in the classroom the same way
> >>>> you
> >>>> will do them during testing. In my chemistry class, I did not have
> >>>> access
> >>>> to a lot of 3-D models, but for testing purposes, they made me a 3-D
> >>>> model.
> >>>> This really was not fair because it was made out of a lot of cups and
> >>>> straws. I did not know what it was, and it is not fair to use models
> >>>> for
> >>>> testing purposes that you did not use in the classroom or to use a
> >>>> different method for testing purposes that you did not use in the
> >>>> classroom
> >>>> because this will skew the results. If you use certain accommodations
> >>>> in
> >>>> the classroom, insist on the same accommodations for testing.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sabra Ewing
> >>>>
> >>>> On May 1, 2018, at 5:22 PM, Bhavya shah via BlindMath <
> >>>> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear all,
> >>>>
> >>>> I am Bhavya Shah, a totally blind 16-year-old student from Mumbai,
> >>>> India. Having just completed my tenth grade with the same Mathematics
> >>>> and Science syllabus as my sighted peers in a mainstream school, I
> >>>> intend to take up the Science stream according to the Indian education
> >>>> system for Classes 11 and 12 with the subject combination of
> >>>> Physics+Chemistry+Mathematics, and probably take up something along
> >>>> the lines of Computer Science for my undergraduate studies after that
> >>>> (although I shouldn?t overly worry about about finalizing that for
> >>>> now, I suppose). Additionally, I shall be enrolling into coaching for
> >>>> a very competitive pan-India engineering entrance examination over the
> >>>> next two years where I will be delving into particularly advanced
> >>>> topics in to the three afore-mentioned subjects.
> >>>>
> >>>> Till Class 10, I managed an overwhelming chunk of Math either orally
> >>>> or mentally, and from what I have been informed, have dealt with
> >>>> relatively very simple organic structures, general numericals and
> >>>> chemical equations which I have been handling mostly via plain text.
> >>>> It has become increasingly clear to me that this makeshift method will
> >>>> be extremely inefficient and consequently infeasible for the kind of
> >>>> syllabus I am transitioning to. Hence, I am looking for different
> >>>> techniques, tools or methods of typing Math and Science that will
> >>>> allow me to be as rapid a Math&Science typist as I am of the English
> >>>> language (at its peak, my fingers have achieved about 100 WPM) so that
> >>>> I can cope with the daily rigor this coaching demands. I need to be
> >>>> able to type mathematical and scientific content accurately and
> >>>> swiftly not necessarily such that it is visually readable by a sighted
> >>>> professor but more so for my own reference, understanding and purposes
> >>>> of review and revision.
> >>>>
> >>>> So far, I am versed only with two options ? ASCII Math, where I would
> >>>> just type Math and Science using standard symbols present on any
> >>>> keyboard such as /, *, ^ and so on to denote different things (perhaps
> >>>> (x+2)/x-1)) in chiefly plain text, or type things in LaTeX using
> >>>> MathType ($\frac{x+2}{x-1}$) and employ Math Player and NVDA to read
> >>>> it. From my basic understanding of this and limited past experience
> >>>> with each of these methods, the former sounds much faster and more
> >>>> efficient to me, but I am open to evidence and experiences suggesting
> >>>> otherwise. There are various other Math typing tools I have heard
> >>>> about over the years such as Infty Reader and Lean Math, but have
> >>>> never adequately researched them let alone used them to any extent.
> >>>> Any information or instructional material on these and other potential
> >>>> alternatives you would recommend would be of great help too.
> >>>>
> >>>> I would truly appreciate any assistance on different strategies you
> >>>> may have used to math your sighted counterparts? speed in terms of
> >>>> writing and solving mathematical and scientific material, questions
> >>>> and problem sets.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Best Regards
> >>>> Bhavya Shah
> >>>>
> >>>> Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.
> wordpress.com/
> >>>>
> >>>> Contacting Me
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> >> Best Regards
> >> Bhavya Shah
> >>
> >> Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
> >>
> >> Contacting Me
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> >
> > --
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> > Bhavya Shah
> >
> > Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
> >
> > Contacting Me
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> > Twitter: @BhavyaShah125
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 20:15:23 +0000
> > From: "Noble,Stephen L." <steve.noble at louisville.edu>
> > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Typing Math and Science Quickly and
> > Understandably
> > Message-ID:
> > <BLUPR03MB37429385C9100338D044C1D83870 at BLUPR03MB374.
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> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
> >
> > It may be worth investigating John Gardner's LEAN math editor, which is
> > based on using LaTeX within MathType/Word, but should be easier for blind
> > students to use. John Gardner is a retired physicist who is blind...he
> > founded ViewPlus. I think he monitors this list, but I think he may be
> > traveling at the moment. You can read about the editor in this article:
> >
> > https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/978-3-319-08596-8_90.pdf<
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__link.springer.
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> >
> > I think you have to write Dr. Gardner directly to get the beta version of
> > the LEAN math editor...I don't see it anymore on the ViewPlus website.
> His
> > email is at the top of the article I referenced in the last link.
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> >
> > --Steve Noble
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> on behalf of Bhavya shah
> via
> > BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2018 4:05 PM
> > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > Cc: Bhavya shah
> > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Typing Math and Science Quickly and
> Understandably
> >
> > Hi Brandon,
> >
> > In essence, this method is very similar to how I used to use LaTeX of
> > MathType to generate Math ML content that was visually readible and
> > screen reader firnedly with the help of NVDA and Math Player. However,
> > my only two concerns are that using LaTeX or any other standardized
> > Math code to type would almost invariably mean (1) slightly longer and
> > stricter syntax that would need to be mandatorily followed, and (2)
> > there are several reasons, some of which include lack of customization
> > in pronunciation and excessive pausing, why I found reading Math ML
> > with the help of Math Player and NVDA somewhat cumbersome in my past
> > experiences. If I come to think of it, it is quite certain that at
> > some point in time, either for typing my own Math&Science or for
> > reading my transcribed course material, I will need to deal with Math
> > ML using Math Player and NVDA, so in a day at most, I will be retrying
> > Math ML and sharing some of the more significant concerns and issues I
> > have with interacting with Math ML.
> >
> > Kindly let me know if my present understanding of the method you
> > described that this is just Pandoc instead of MathType and commandline
> > instead of Word for using LaTeX to generate Math ML content is
> > fundamentally incorrect.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > On 5/3/18, Brandon Keith Biggs via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >> Markdown with LaTeX is perfect for you. Here is an example that Lukasz
> >> (from this list wrote):
> >>
> >> ## Parametric Forms
> >>
> >> *transcriber: system of two equations, each one has an extra information
> >> after comma*
> >> \
> >> $x = t^2 -2t$, $dx = 2t-2$
> >> \
> >> $y= t+1$, minimum at $t=1$
> >> \
> >> *transcriber: end of the system*
> >>
> >> For window:
> >> \
> >> $t$ from $[-2,4]$, $t$ step $= 0.1$
> >> \
> >> $x$ from $[-1,10]$
> >> \
> >> $y$ from $[-1,5]$
> >>
> >> # something easier
> >>
> >> $3x + y = 10$
> >> \
> >> $9 * 5 = 45$
> >> \
> >> Fractions
> >> \
> >> $\frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{2} = 1$
> >>
> >>
> >> This converts perfectly to MathML using pandoc:
> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__pandoc.
> org_&d=DwIGaQ&c=OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY&r=
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> >>
> >> You install pandoc, open a command line where you have the math content
> >> and
> >> type:
> >>
> >> pandoc my_math_file.md --mathml -s -o my_html_output_file.html
> >>
> >> You can give your professor the html file and they can read it in print
> >> just fine. If you have a Braille display, the MathML shows up just fine
> >> and
> >> it is also read by the screen reader. NVDA requires Math player (see the
> >> user guide under reading math content for more info).
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >>
> >> Brandon Keith Biggs
> >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-
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> >>
> >> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Sean Tikkun via BlindMath <
> >> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Bhavya Shah,
> >>>
> >>> I am assembling a team to generate 3D models to assist in learning.
> >>> The
> >>> team leaders are a former math teacher fluent in Braille (me) and a
> >>> Fabrication lab director that teaches Biological and Chemical Sciences
> >>> at
> >>> the University level. If you have access to 3D printing I would love to
> >>> know what you may need. Files are easy to send. If not, perhaps there
> is
> >>> a
> >>> fabrication lab at a university in Mumbai that would be interested in
> >>> some
> >>> collaboration?
> >>> Feel free to reach out. stikkun at nccu.edu.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sean Tikkun
> >>> Apple Distinguished Educator
> >>> class of 2007
> >>>
> >>> On May 01, 2018, at 08:51 PM, Sabra Ewing via BlindMath <
> >>> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I typed most of my math using the first method. You might be able to
> >>> type
> >>> more quickly if you had a braille keyboard. Also note that you can use
> >>> parentheses and brackets. The Pearce in equation editor can produce
> math
> >>> in
> >>> a visual format. It is free. The braille note touch can do this as well
> >>> although it is very expensive. I would definitely say to use a
> keyboard.
> >>> Do
> >>> not type on your phone as I am doing now because it is much slower.
> >>> Another
> >>> thing you can do is use copy and paste. You do not have to type
> >>> everything
> >>> from scratch. You can copy previous steps to your clipboard, paste
> them,
> >>> and then modify them to create your future steps. Like for example, you
> >>> might write a chemical equation that is not balanced. Paste this
> >>> equation
> >>> underneath it so you have two copies of the same equation. Then, take
> >>> the
> >>> first step toward balancing that equation and make those changes to
> your
> >>> second copy. Now you have your equation and underneath it, you have the
> >>> modified version with step one completed, so copied the version with
> >>> step
> >>> one completed to your clipboard and paste it underneath. Now you have
> >>> the
> >>> original equation, and you have two copies of step one. Modified the
> >>> second
> >>> copy of step one based on what you plan to do in step two. Continue
> this
> >>> method until you have finished the problem. With a braille keyboard,
> you
> >>> should be able to type as fast as someone can speak and even faster. If
> >>> you
> >>> cannot or a braille keyboard is not an option, you can record what is
> >>> being
> >>> said with a phone or other recording device and you can then go back
> >>> over
> >>> it. Another thing you can do is request things in electronic format.
> >>> Mini
> >>> American professors do not know how to create accessible math when it
> is
> >>> really very easy as you described. You do not have to know any markup
> >>> languages. You can create accessible math just by using your computer
> >>> keyboard, and in many cases, if you are a computer science student,
> your
> >>> math is in the perfect format to just paste right over into your ide.
> >>> Maybe
> >>> Indian professors would be better at creating accessible. If not, you
> >>> might
> >>> be able to find someone who can do it. This will be especially easy if
> >>> you
> >>> can find some funding. I was not lucky in this regard because other
> than
> >>> professors, I never found a dedicated person who knew how to produce
> >>> accessible math. I finally got to a position where I could no longer
> >>> receive accessible math because I moved on to a four-year university
> >>> where
> >>> the professors did not know how to produce it. It is very ironic that
> >>> when
> >>> I started out at a two year university, the professors did know how to
> >>> produce it. I approach programmers, professors, deans, and department
> >>> head.
> >>> No one actually knew how including the programmers who produce
> >>> accessible
> >>> math every day. I finally had to end up listening to my math on
> >>> recordings
> >>> and writing everything down. It was very difficult. If you want to get
> >>> math
> >>> in braille, there is software that can do it called Duxberry.
> >>> Ironically,
> >>> my university actually had this software, but no one knew how to use it
> >>> including the people who worked at disability services. Getting it for
> >>> yourself will not be helpful. If you get this software, you will need
> >>> someone who can modify the equations for you. If your professor has
> >>> files
> >>> that were generated from a markup language, you could try asking for
> >>> those
> >>> source files. Even if you do not know the markup language, math is
> >>> written
> >>> very similarly when you are programming computers, so you could
> probably
> >>> pick up how to read it. Unfortunately, my professors used PDFs that
> they
> >>> got from other sources or pictures of hand written documents so I could
> >>> not
> >>> do this. People will try to tell you that Matt cannot be produced
> >>> excessively on the computer. This simply is not true. Every
> mathematical
> >>> formula, function, and number known to humankind can be programmed into
> >>> a
> >>> computer using a text based programming language. Also, many of these
> >>> functions and formulas can be put into XL. If you can put these
> formulas
> >>> into XL, then you can produce them accessibly in a word document. If
> >>> someone is trying to tell you that they can't, then just tell them to
> >>> put
> >>> it in a spreadsheet, press F2 on the cells, and read the formulas that
> >>> way.
> >>> XL is very good because you can use it to organize data, you can use it
> >>> as
> >>> a calculator, and you can use it to create tables and graphs. You can
> >>> put
> >>> these documents in your dropbox and you can get the pictures of the
> >>> graphs.
> >>> You can then import these pictures into the voice app on your phone and
> >>> you
> >>> can listen to them. If you are going to listen to pie charts, to make
> it
> >>> easier on yourself to read, use the 3-D exploding pie charts. This may
> >>> sound counterintuitive, but when you listen to them, there is a bit
> more
> >>> separation between each piece. I don't know how you would get training
> >>> to
> >>> listen to grass. I just automatically was born knowing how to do it. No
> >>> one
> >>> ever taught me. I could always listen to graphs very easily and I could
> >>> never read tactile graphics. There is also a program called math tracks
> >>> where you can create audio graphs by entering in equations.However, it
> >>> is
> >>> really best to have both the equation and the data because what if you
> >>> created a graph using any equation, and you need to make some changes
> to
> >>> the data? Well, you don't have the data, so what are you going to do?
> >>> You
> >>> could probably generate the data from the equation in some cases, but
> >>> that
> >>> will take forever. I like to listen to a graph and have the spreadsheet
> >>> in
> >>> front of me at the same time. There is also a blind chemist named Dr.
> >>> sapalo. I'm not sure how to spell his name. I have his card somewhere
> >>> but
> >>> I
> >>> just have to find it. I really wish people would start using those
> >>> barcode
> >>> Cards where I can scan the contact information into my phone, but I
> only
> >>> know one person who uses those. Anyways, You may want to get in touch
> >>> with
> >>> him. He has all of these probes. They do all different things. They
> >>> connect
> >>> to a computer and they can measure chemical reactions and make graphs
> >>> and
> >>> do all this stuff depending on what probe you use. For example, you
> >>> could
> >>> use one probe to graph the color changes that occur during an
> >>> experiment.
> >>> You could use another probe to track temperature changes like ice
> >>> melting.
> >>> I don't really do chemistry, but if I did, I imagine I would want this
> >>> thing, but I can't remember what it is called. But he is actually a
> >>> chemistry professor at a university. He is totally blind and he teaches
> >>> classes and runs labs and does all sorts of things. There are plenty of
> >>> blind computer scientists, but he struck my interest in particular
> >>> because
> >>> I have not heard of mini blind chemists. He also had some good advice
> >>> for
> >>> 3-D printing that would work in the United States, but I am not sure if
> >>> it
> >>> would work in India. If possible though, you may want to get some 3-D
> >>> models printed. Another thing is that you want to stay consistent. You
> >>> want
> >>> to make sure that you are doing things in the classroom the same way
> you
> >>> will do them during testing. In my chemistry class, I did not have
> >>> access
> >>> to a lot of 3-D models, but for testing purposes, they made me a 3-D
> >>> model.
> >>> This really was not fair because it was made out of a lot of cups and
> >>> straws. I did not know what it was, and it is not fair to use models
> for
> >>> testing purposes that you did not use in the classroom or to use a
> >>> different method for testing purposes that you did not use in the
> >>> classroom
> >>> because this will skew the results. If you use certain accommodations
> in
> >>> the classroom, insist on the same accommodations for testing.
> >>>
> >>> Sabra Ewing
> >>>
> >>> On May 1, 2018, at 5:22 PM, Bhavya shah via BlindMath <
> >>> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dear all,
> >>>
> >>> I am Bhavya Shah, a totally blind 16-year-old student from Mumbai,
> >>> India. Having just completed my tenth grade with the same Mathematics
> >>> and Science syllabus as my sighted peers in a mainstream school, I
> >>> intend to take up the Science stream according to the Indian education
> >>> system for Classes 11 and 12 with the subject combination of
> >>> Physics+Chemistry+Mathematics, and probably take up something along
> >>> the lines of Computer Science for my undergraduate studies after that
> >>> (although I shouldn?t overly worry about about finalizing that for
> >>> now, I suppose). Additionally, I shall be enrolling into coaching for
> >>> a very competitive pan-India engineering entrance examination over the
> >>> next two years where I will be delving into particularly advanced
> >>> topics in to the three afore-mentioned subjects.
> >>>
> >>> Till Class 10, I managed an overwhelming chunk of Math either orally
> >>> or mentally, and from what I have been informed, have dealt with
> >>> relatively very simple organic structures, general numericals and
> >>> chemical equations which I have been handling mostly via plain text.
> >>> It has become increasingly clear to me that this makeshift method will
> >>> be extremely inefficient and consequently infeasible for the kind of
> >>> syllabus I am transitioning to. Hence, I am looking for different
> >>> techniques, tools or methods of typing Math and Science that will
> >>> allow me to be as rapid a Math&Science typist as I am of the English
> >>> language (at its peak, my fingers have achieved about 100 WPM) so that
> >>> I can cope with the daily rigor this coaching demands. I need to be
> >>> able to type mathematical and scientific content accurately and
> >>> swiftly not necessarily such that it is visually readable by a sighted
> >>> professor but more so for my own reference, understanding and purposes
> >>> of review and revision.
> >>>
> >>> So far, I am versed only with two options ? ASCII Math, where I would
> >>> just type Math and Science using standard symbols present on any
> >>> keyboard such as /, *, ^ and so on to denote different things (perhaps
> >>> (x+2)/x-1)) in chiefly plain text, or type things in LaTeX using
> >>> MathType ($\frac{x+2}{x-1}$) and employ Math Player and NVDA to read
> >>> it. From my basic understanding of this and limited past experience
> >>> with each of these methods, the former sounds much faster and more
> >>> efficient to me, but I am open to evidence and experiences suggesting
> >>> otherwise. There are various other Math typing tools I have heard
> >>> about over the years such as Infty Reader and Lean Math, but have
> >>> never adequately researched them let alone used them to any extent.
> >>> Any information or instructional material on these and other potential
> >>> alternatives you would recommend would be of great help too.
> >>>
> >>> I would truly appreciate any assistance on different strategies you
> >>> may have used to math your sighted counterparts? speed in terms of
> >>> writing and solving mathematical and scientific material, questions
> >>> and problem sets.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Best Regards
> >>> Bhavya Shah
> >>>
> >>> Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons:
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> > Message: 5
> > Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 22:00:28 +0100
> > From: Lukasz Grabowski <graboluk at gmail.com>
> > To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Typing Math and Science Quickly and
> > Understandably
> > Message-ID: <20180503215959.021015e7 at demokritos>
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> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Yes I can confirm it is fundamentally incorrect, to say the least
> > ("not even wrong", as the saying goes). In order to understand that it
> > is so, you would have to compare both methods at, say, taking notes for
> > an advanced university-level mathematics course, in which case you would
> > realize that the efficiency of using markdown with latex is orders of
> > magnitude higher than using word with mathtype.
> >
> >
> > Best,
> > Lukasz
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 4 May 2018 01:35:01 +0530
> > Bhavya shah via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Brandon,
> >>
> >> In essence, this method is very similar to how I used to use LaTeX of
> >> MathType to generate Math ML content that was visually readible and
> >> screen reader firnedly with the help of NVDA and Math Player. However,
> >> my only two concerns are that using LaTeX or any other standardized
> >> Math code to type would almost invariably mean (1) slightly longer and
> >> stricter syntax that would need to be mandatorily followed, and (2)
> >> there are several reasons, some of which include lack of customization
> >> in pronunciation and excessive pausing, why I found reading Math ML
> >> with the help of Math Player and NVDA somewhat cumbersome in my past
> >> experiences. If I come to think of it, it is quite certain that at
> >> some point in time, either for typing my own Math&Science or for
> >> reading my transcribed course material, I will need to deal with Math
> >> ML using Math Player and NVDA, so in a day at most, I will be retrying
> >> Math ML and sharing some of the more significant concerns and issues I
> >> have with interacting with Math ML.
> >>
> >> Kindly let me know if my present understanding of the method you
> >> described that this is just Pandoc instead of MathType and commandline
> >> instead of Word for using LaTeX to generate Math ML content is
> >> fundamentally incorrect.
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> On 5/3/18, Brandon Keith Biggs via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Hello,
> >> > Markdown with LaTeX is perfect for you. Here is an example that
> >> > Lukasz (from this list wrote):
> >> >
> >> > ## Parametric Forms
> >> >
> >> > *transcriber: system of two equations, each one has an extra
> >> > information after comma*
> >> > \
> >> > $x = t^2 -2t$, $dx = 2t-2$
> >> > \
> >> > $y= t+1$, minimum at $t=1$
> >> > \
> >> > *transcriber: end of the system*
> >> >
> >> > For window:
> >> > \
> >> > $t$ from $[-2,4]$, $t$ step $= 0.1$
> >> > \
> >> > $x$ from $[-1,10]$
> >> > \
> >> > $y$ from $[-1,5]$
> >> >
> >> > # something easier
> >> >
> >> > $3x + y = 10$
> >> > \
> >> > $9 * 5 = 45$
> >> > \
> >> > Fractions
> >> > \
> >> > $\frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{2} = 1$
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > This converts perfectly to MathML using pandoc:
> >> > https://pandoc.org/
> >> >
> >> > You install pandoc, open a command line where you have the math
> >> > content and type:
> >> >
> >> > pandoc my_math_file.md --mathml -s -o my_html_output_file.html
> >> >
> >> > You can give your professor the html file and they can read it in
> >> > print just fine. If you have a Braille display, the MathML shows up
> >> > just fine and it is also read by the screen reader. NVDA requires
> >> > Math player (see the user guide under reading math content for more
> >> > info). Thanks,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Sean Tikkun via BlindMath <
> >> > blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Bhavya Shah,
> >> >>
> >> >> I am assembling a team to generate 3D models to assist in
> >> >> learning. The team leaders are a former math teacher fluent in
> >> >> Braille (me) and a Fabrication lab director that teaches
> >> >> Biological and Chemical Sciences at the University level. If you
> >> >> have access to 3D printing I would love to know what you may need.
> >> >> Files are easy to send. If not, perhaps there is a fabrication lab
> >> >> at a university in Mumbai that would be interested in some
> >> >> collaboration? Feel free to reach out. stikkun at nccu.edu.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Sean Tikkun
> >> >> Apple Distinguished Educator
> >> >> class of 2007
> >> >>
> >> >> On May 01, 2018, at 08:51 PM, Sabra Ewing via BlindMath <
> >> >> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> I typed most of my math using the first method. You might be able
> >> >> to type more quickly if you had a braille keyboard. Also note that
> >> >> you can use parentheses and brackets. The Pearce in equation
> >> >> editor can produce math in
> >> >> a visual format. It is free. The braille note touch can do this as
> >> >> well although it is very expensive. I would definitely say to use
> >> >> a keyboard. Do
> >> >> not type on your phone as I am doing now because it is much slower.
> >> >> Another
> >> >> thing you can do is use copy and paste. You do not have to type
> >> >> everything from scratch. You can copy previous steps to your
> >> >> clipboard, paste them, and then modify them to create your future
> >> >> steps. Like for example, you might write a chemical equation that
> >> >> is not balanced. Paste this equation underneath it so you have two
> >> >> copies of the same equation. Then, take the first step toward
> >> >> balancing that equation and make those changes to your second
> >> >> copy. Now you have your equation and underneath it, you have the
> >> >> modified version with step one completed, so copied the version
> >> >> with step one completed to your clipboard and paste it underneath.
> >> >> Now you have the original equation, and you have two copies of
> >> >> step one. Modified the second copy of step one based on what you
> >> >> plan to do in step two. Continue this method until you have
> >> >> finished the problem. With a braille keyboard, you should be able
> >> >> to type as fast as someone can speak and even faster. If you
> >> >> cannot or a braille keyboard is not an option, you can record what
> >> >> is being
> >> >> said with a phone or other recording device and you can then go
> >> >> back over it. Another thing you can do is request things in
> >> >> electronic format. Mini American professors do not know how to
> >> >> create accessible math when it is really very easy as you
> >> >> described. You do not have to know any markup languages. You can
> >> >> create accessible math just by using your computer keyboard, and
> >> >> in many cases, if you are a computer science student, your math is
> >> >> in the perfect format to just paste right over into your ide. Maybe
> >> >> Indian professors would be better at creating accessible. If not,
> >> >> you might
> >> >> be able to find someone who can do it. This will be especially
> >> >> easy if you can find some funding. I was not lucky in this regard
> >> >> because other than professors, I never found a dedicated person
> >> >> who knew how to produce accessible math. I finally got to a
> >> >> position where I could no longer receive accessible math because I
> >> >> moved on to a four-year university where the professors did not
> >> >> know how to produce it. It is very ironic that when I started out
> >> >> at a two year university, the professors did know how to produce
> >> >> it. I approach programmers, professors, deans, and department head.
> >> >> No one actually knew how including the programmers who produce
> >> >> accessible math every day. I finally had to end up listening to my
> >> >> math on recordings and writing everything down. It was very
> >> >> difficult. If you want to get math
> >> >> in braille, there is software that can do it called Duxberry.
> >> >> Ironically, my university actually had this software, but no one
> >> >> knew how to use it including the people who worked at disability
> >> >> services. Getting it for yourself will not be helpful. If you get
> >> >> this software, you will need someone who can modify the equations
> >> >> for you. If your professor has files that were generated from a
> >> >> markup language, you could try asking for those source files. Even
> >> >> if you do not know the markup language, math is written very
> >> >> similarly when you are programming computers, so you could
> >> >> probably pick up how to read it. Unfortunately, my professors used
> >> >> PDFs that they got from other sources or pictures of hand written
> >> >> documents so I could not do this. People will try to tell you that
> >> >> Matt cannot be produced excessively on the computer. This simply
> >> >> is not true. Every mathematical formula, function, and number
> >> >> known to humankind can be programmed into a computer using a text
> >> >> based programming language. Also, many of these functions and
> >> >> formulas can be put into XL. If you can put these formulas into
> >> >> XL, then you can produce them accessibly in a word document. If
> >> >> someone is trying to tell you that they can't, then just tell them
> >> >> to put it in a spreadsheet, press F2 on the cells, and read the
> >> >> formulas that way. XL is very good because you can use it to
> >> >> organize data, you can use it as a calculator, and you can use it
> >> >> to create tables and graphs. You can put these documents in your
> >> >> dropbox and you can get the pictures of the graphs.
> >> >> You can then import these pictures into the voice app on your
> >> >> phone and you
> >> >> can listen to them. If you are going to listen to pie charts, to
> >> >> make it easier on yourself to read, use the 3-D exploding pie
> >> >> charts. This may sound counterintuitive, but when you listen to
> >> >> them, there is a bit more separation between each piece. I don't
> >> >> know how you would get training to listen to grass. I just
> >> >> automatically was born knowing how to do it. No one
> >> >> ever taught me. I could always listen to graphs very easily and I
> >> >> could never read tactile graphics. There is also a program called
> >> >> math tracks where you can create audio graphs by entering in
> >> >> equations.However, it is really best to have both the equation and
> >> >> the data because what if you created a graph using any equation,
> >> >> and you need to make some changes to the data? Well, you don't
> >> >> have the data, so what are you going to do? You could probably
> >> >> generate the data from the equation in some cases, but that will
> >> >> take forever. I like to listen to a graph and have the spreadsheet
> >> >> in front of me at the same time. There is also a blind chemist
> >> >> named Dr. sapalo. I'm not sure how to spell his name. I have his
> >> >> card somewhere but I just have to find it. I really wish people
> >> >> would start using those barcode Cards where I can scan the contact
> >> >> information into my phone, but I only know one person who uses
> >> >> those. Anyways, You may want to get in touch with him. He has all
> >> >> of these probes. They do all different things. They connect
> >> >> to a computer and they can measure chemical reactions and make
> >> >> graphs and do all this stuff depending on what probe you use. For
> >> >> example, you could use one probe to graph the color changes that
> >> >> occur during an experiment. You could use another probe to track
> >> >> temperature changes like ice melting. I don't really do chemistry,
> >> >> but if I did, I imagine I would want this thing, but I can't
> >> >> remember what it is called. But he is actually a chemistry
> >> >> professor at a university. He is totally blind and he teaches
> >> >> classes and runs labs and does all sorts of things. There are
> >> >> plenty of blind computer scientists, but he struck my interest in
> >> >> particular because I have not heard of mini blind chemists. He
> >> >> also had some good advice for 3-D printing that would work in the
> >> >> United States, but I am not sure if it would work in India. If
> >> >> possible though, you may want to get some 3-D models printed.
> >> >> Another thing is that you want to stay consistent. You want to
> >> >> make sure that you are doing things in the classroom the same way
> >> >> you will do them during testing. In my chemistry class, I did not
> >> >> have access to a lot of 3-D models, but for testing purposes, they
> >> >> made me a 3-D model. This really was not fair because it was made
> >> >> out of a lot of cups and straws. I did not know what it was, and
> >> >> it is not fair to use models for testing purposes that you did not
> >> >> use in the classroom or to use a different method for testing
> >> >> purposes that you did not use in the classroom
> >> >> because this will skew the results. If you use certain
> >> >> accommodations in the classroom, insist on the same accommodations
> >> >> for testing.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sabra Ewing
> >> >>
> >> >> On May 1, 2018, at 5:22 PM, Bhavya shah via BlindMath <
> >> >> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Dear all,
> >> >>
> >> >> I am Bhavya Shah, a totally blind 16-year-old student from Mumbai,
> >> >> India. Having just completed my tenth grade with the same
> >> >> Mathematics and Science syllabus as my sighted peers in a
> >> >> mainstream school, I intend to take up the Science stream
> >> >> according to the Indian education system for Classes 11 and 12
> >> >> with the subject combination of Physics+Chemistry+Mathematics, and
> >> >> probably take up something along the lines of Computer Science for
> >> >> my undergraduate studies after that (although I shouldn?t overly
> >> >> worry about about finalizing that for now, I suppose).
> >> >> Additionally, I shall be enrolling into coaching for a very
> >> >> competitive pan-India engineering entrance examination over the
> >> >> next two years where I will be delving into particularly advanced
> >> >> topics in to the three afore-mentioned subjects.
> >> >>
> >> >> Till Class 10, I managed an overwhelming chunk of Math either
> >> >> orally or mentally, and from what I have been informed, have dealt
> >> >> with relatively very simple organic structures, general numericals
> >> >> and chemical equations which I have been handling mostly via plain
> >> >> text. It has become increasingly clear to me that this makeshift
> >> >> method will be extremely inefficient and consequently infeasible
> >> >> for the kind of syllabus I am transitioning to. Hence, I am
> >> >> looking for different techniques, tools or methods of typing Math
> >> >> and Science that will allow me to be as rapid a Math&Science
> >> >> typist as I am of the English language (at its peak, my fingers
> >> >> have achieved about 100 WPM) so that I can cope with the daily
> >> >> rigor this coaching demands. I need to be able to type
> >> >> mathematical and scientific content accurately and swiftly not
> >> >> necessarily such that it is visually readable by a sighted
> >> >> professor but more so for my own reference, understanding and
> >> >> purposes of review and revision.
> >> >>
> >> >> So far, I am versed only with two options ? ASCII Math, where I
> >> >> would just type Math and Science using standard symbols present on
> >> >> any keyboard such as /, *, ^ and so on to denote different things
> >> >> (perhaps (x+2)/x-1)) in chiefly plain text, or type things in
> >> >> LaTeX using MathType ($\frac{x+2}{x-1}$) and employ Math Player
> >> >> and NVDA to read it. From my basic understanding of this and
> >> >> limited past experience with each of these methods, the former
> >> >> sounds much faster and more efficient to me, but I am open to
> >> >> evidence and experiences suggesting otherwise. There are various
> >> >> other Math typing tools I have heard about over the years such as
> >> >> Infty Reader and Lean Math, but have never adequately researched
> >> >> them let alone used them to any extent. Any information or
> >> >> instructional material on these and other potential alternatives
> >> >> you would recommend would be of great help too.
> >> >>
> >> >> I would truly appreciate any assistance on different strategies you
> >> >> may have used to math your sighted counterparts? speed in terms of
> >> >> writing and solving mathematical and scientific material, questions
> >> >> and problem sets.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Best Regards
> >> >> Bhavya Shah
> >> >>
> >> >> Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons:
> >> >> https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
> >> >>
> >> >> Contacting Me
> >> >> E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125 at gmail.com
> >> >> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/
> >> >> Twitter: @BhavyaShah125
> >> >> Skype: bhavya.09
> >> >>
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 21:11:52 +0000
> > From: "Godfrey, Jonathan" <A.J.Godfrey at massey.ac.nz>
> > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Typing Math and Science Quickly and
> > Understandably
> > Message-ID:
> > <SY3PR01MB206033D97708F1FCF13386A893870 at SY3PR01MB2060.
> ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > You are correct that use of LaTeX within a markdown document leads to the
> > same outcome as the workflow you have used in MS Word with MathType. I
> don't
> > think you should suddenly change workflow for improved access to the
> > mathematical content. There are other reasons why you should get use of
> > pandoc into your toolbox though.
> >
> > I do think Brandon's example is more cumbersome than it needed to be. I
> use
> > markdown almost daily, and I only ever put a \ to get mathematical
> content.
> > Forever listening to backslash from any screen reader is annoying, slows
> me
> > down, and often presents a distraction. This was a leading reason for
> > reducing my use of full-blown LaTeX.
> >
> > I would urge you to make use of the LEAN editor mentioned in this thread
> to
> > enhance your workflow. The feature of LEAN I use most is the addition of
> > tags to the math content so that you do not need to go backwards and
> > forwards into LaTeX mode to read the content, and you don't have to use
> the
> > specific combination of tools (screen reader + math player). LEAN offers
> an
> > alternative and I am not suggesting it as a replacement. Having options
> is
> > power, because it puts you in control.
> >
> > I do think you need to enhance what you do a little to get the best of
> what
> > you have now before you embark on all manner of options. I would also
> > suggest to you that the accuracy aspect of your criticism of LaTeX (while
> > true) is also true for practically every tool you will use, and is also
> true
> > for the scientific content you will be working with. I think your initial
> > message to this thread said you were considering a computer science
> major;
> > the programming languages you use will have limited flexibility to deal
> with
> > the human inaccuracies that even the best among us is prone to create.
> For
> > me, it is the ability to find and correct these inaccuracies that tells
> me
> > how truly accessible a solution is for me. Markdown is the solution that
> > works best for me today; it is not the only solution I use.
> >
> > My final point is about use of a personal system. I know plenty of blind
> > people who have little shorthand things we write. The problem is that
> they
> > are individual and can't be shared. The most likely person you will want
> to
> > share your work with is your future-self. Will you recall the shorthand
> you
> > use today in ten years' time?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jonathan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Bhavya shah
> via
> > BlindMath
> > Sent: Friday, 4 May 2018 8:05 a.m.
> > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Typing Math and Science Quickly and
> Understandably
> >
> > Hi Brandon,
> >
> > In essence, this method is very similar to how I used to use LaTeX of
> > MathType to generate Math ML content that was visually readible and
> screen
> > reader firnedly with the help of NVDA and Math Player. However, my only
> two
> > concerns are that using LaTeX or any other standardized Math code to type
> > would almost invariably mean (1) slightly longer and stricter syntax that
> > would need to be mandatorily followed, and (2) there are several reasons,
> > some of which include lack of customization in pronunciation and
> excessive
> > pausing, why I found reading Math ML with the help of Math Player and
> NVDA
> > somewhat cumbersome in my past experiences. If I come to think of it, it
> is
> > quite certain that at some point in time, either for typing my own
> > Math&Science or for reading my transcribed course material, I will need
> to
> > deal with Math ML using Math Player and NVDA, so in a day at most, I
> will be
> > retrying Math ML and sharing some of the more significant concerns and
> > issues I have with interacting with Math ML.
> >
> > Kindly let me know if my present understanding of the method you
> described
> > that this is just Pandoc instead of MathType and commandline instead of
> Word
> > for using LaTeX to generate Math ML content is fundamentally incorrect.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > On 5/3/18, Brandon Keith Biggs via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >> Markdown with LaTeX is perfect for you. Here is an example that Lukasz
> >> (from this list wrote):
> >>
> >> ## Parametric Forms
> >>
> >> *transcriber: system of two equations, each one has an extra
> >> information after comma* \ $x = t^2 -2t$, $dx = 2t-2$ \ $y= t+1$,
> >> minimum at $t=1$ \
> >> *transcriber: end of the system*
> >>
> >> For window:
> >> \
> >> $t$ from $[-2,4]$, $t$ step $= 0.1$
> >> \
> >> $x$ from $[-1,10]$
> >> \
> >> $y$ from $[-1,5]$
> >>
> >> # something easier
> >>
> >> $3x + y = 10$
> >> \
> >> $9 * 5 = 45$
> >> \
> >> Fractions
> >> \
> >> $\frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{2} = 1$
> >>
> >>
> >> This converts perfectly to MathML using pandoc:
> >> https://pandoc.org/
> >>
> >> You install pandoc, open a command line where you have the math
> >> content and
> >> type:
> >>
> >> pandoc my_math_file.md --mathml -s -o my_html_output_file.html
> >>
> >> You can give your professor the html file and they can read it in
> >> print just fine. If you have a Braille display, the MathML shows up
> >> just fine and it is also read by the screen reader. NVDA requires Math
> >> player (see the user guide under reading math content for more info).
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >>
> >> Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Sean Tikkun via BlindMath <
> >> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Bhavya Shah,
> >>>
> >>> I am assembling a team to generate 3D models to assist in
> >>> learning. The team leaders are a former math teacher fluent in
> >>> Braille (me) and a Fabrication lab director that teaches Biological
> >>> and Chemical Sciences at the University level. If you have access to
> >>> 3D printing I would love to know what you may need. Files are easy to
> >>> send. If not, perhaps there is a fabrication lab at a university in
> >>> Mumbai that would be interested in some collaboration?
> >>> Feel free to reach out. stikkun at nccu.edu.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sean Tikkun
> >>> Apple Distinguished Educator
> >>> class of 2007
> >>>
> >>> On May 01, 2018, at 08:51 PM, Sabra Ewing via BlindMath <
> >>> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I typed most of my math using the first method. You might be able to
> >>> type more quickly if you had a braille keyboard. Also note that you
> >>> can use parentheses and brackets. The Pearce in equation editor can
> >>> produce math in a visual format. It is free. The braille note touch
> >>> can do this as well although it is very expensive. I would definitely
> >>> say to use a keyboard.
> >>> Do
> >>> not type on your phone as I am doing now because it is much slower.
> >>> Another
> >>> thing you can do is use copy and paste. You do not have to type
> >>> everything from scratch. You can copy previous steps to your
> >>> clipboard, paste them, and then modify them to create your future
> >>> steps. Like for example, you might write a chemical equation that is
> >>> not balanced. Paste this equation underneath it so you have two
> >>> copies of the same equation. Then, take the first step toward
> >>> balancing that equation and make those changes to your second copy.
> >>> Now you have your equation and underneath it, you have the modified
> >>> version with step one completed, so copied the version with step one
> >>> completed to your clipboard and paste it underneath. Now you have the
> >>> original equation, and you have two copies of step one. Modified the
> >>> second copy of step one based on what you plan to do in step two.
> >>> Continue this method until you have finished the problem. With a
> >>> braille keyboard, you should be able to type as fast as someone can
> >>> speak and even faster. If you cannot or a braille keyboard is not an
> >>> option, you can record what is being said with a phone or other
> >>> recording device and you can then go back over it. Another thing you
> >>> can do is request things in electronic format. Mini American
> >>> professors do not know how to create accessible math when it is
> >>> really very easy as you described. You do not have to know any markup
> >>> languages. You can create accessible math just by using your computer
> >>> keyboard, and in many cases, if you are a computer science student,
> >>> your math is in the perfect format to just paste right over into your
> >>> ide.
> >>> Maybe
> >>> Indian professors would be better at creating accessible. If not, you
> >>> might be able to find someone who can do it. This will be especially
> >>> easy if you can find some funding. I was not lucky in this regard
> >>> because other than professors, I never found a dedicated person who
> >>> knew how to produce accessible math. I finally got to a position
> >>> where I could no longer receive accessible math because I moved on to
> >>> a four-year university where the professors did not know how to
> >>> produce it. It is very ironic that when I started out at a two year
> >>> university, the professors did know how to produce it. I approach
> >>> programmers, professors, deans, and department head.
> >>> No one actually knew how including the programmers who produce
> >>> accessible math every day. I finally had to end up listening to my
> >>> math on recordings and writing everything down. It was very
> >>> difficult. If you want to get math in braille, there is software that
> >>> can do it called Duxberry. Ironically, my university actually had
> >>> this software, but no one knew how to use it including the people who
> >>> worked at disability services. Getting it for yourself will not be
> >>> helpful. If you get this software, you will need someone who can
> >>> modify the equations for you. If your professor has files that were
> >>> generated from a markup language, you could try asking for those
> >>> source files. Even if you do not know the markup language, math is
> >>> written very similarly when you are programming computers, so you
> >>> could probably pick up how to read it. Unfortunately, my professors
> >>> used PDFs that they got from other sources or pictures of hand
> >>> written documents so I could not do this. People will try to tell you
> >>> that Matt cannot be produced excessively on the computer. This simply
> >>> is not true. Every mathematical formula, function, and number known
> >>> to humankind can be programmed into a computer using a text based
> >>> programming language. Also, many of these functions and formulas can
> >>> be put into XL. If you can put these formulas into XL, then you can
> >>> produce them accessibly in a word document. If someone is trying to
> >>> tell you that they can't, then just tell them to put it in a
> >>> spreadsheet, press F2 on the cells, and read the formulas that way.
> >>> XL is very good because you can use it to organize data, you can use
> >>> it as a calculator, and you can use it to create tables and graphs.
> >>> You can put these documents in your dropbox and you can get the
> >>> pictures of the graphs.
> >>> You can then import these pictures into the voice app on your phone
> >>> and you can listen to them. If you are going to listen to pie charts,
> >>> to make it easier on yourself to read, use the 3-D exploding pie
> >>> charts. This may sound counterintuitive, but when you listen to them,
> >>> there is a bit more separation between each piece. I don't know how
> >>> you would get training to listen to grass. I just automatically was
> >>> born knowing how to do it. No one ever taught me. I could always
> >>> listen to graphs very easily and I could never read tactile graphics.
> >>> There is also a program called math tracks where you can create audio
> >>> graphs by entering in equations.However, it is really best to have
> >>> both the equation and the data because what if you created a graph
> >>> using any equation, and you need to make some changes to the data?
> >>> Well, you don't have the data, so what are you going to do? You could
> >>> probably generate the data from the equation in some cases, but that
> >>> will take forever. I like to listen to a graph and have the
> >>> spreadsheet in front of me at the same time. There is also a blind
> >>> chemist named Dr.
> >>> sapalo. I'm not sure how to spell his name. I have his card somewhere
> >>> but I just have to find it. I really wish people would start using
> >>> those barcode Cards where I can scan the contact information into my
> >>> phone, but I only know one person who uses those. Anyways, You may
> >>> want to get in touch with him. He has all of these probes. They do
> >>> all different things. They connect to a computer and they can measure
> >>> chemical reactions and make graphs and do all this stuff depending on
> >>> what probe you use. For example, you could use one probe to graph the
> >>> color changes that occur during an experiment.
> >>> You could use another probe to track temperature changes like ice
> >>> melting.
> >>> I don't really do chemistry, but if I did, I imagine I would want
> >>> this thing, but I can't remember what it is called. But he is
> >>> actually a chemistry professor at a university. He is totally blind
> >>> and he teaches classes and runs labs and does all sorts of things.
> >>> There are plenty of blind computer scientists, but he struck my
> >>> interest in particular because I have not heard of mini blind
> >>> chemists. He also had some good advice for 3-D printing that would
> >>> work in the United States, but I am not sure if it would work in
> >>> India. If possible though, you may want to get some 3-D models
> >>> printed. Another thing is that you want to stay consistent. You want
> >>> to make sure that you are doing things in the classroom the same way
> >>> you will do them during testing. In my chemistry class, I did not
> >>> have access to a lot of 3-D models, but for testing purposes, they
> >>> made me a 3-D model.
> >>> This really was not fair because it was made out of a lot of cups and
> >>> straws. I did not know what it was, and it is not fair to use models
> >>> for testing purposes that you did not use in the classroom or to use
> >>> a different method for testing purposes that you did not use in the
> >>> classroom because this will skew the results. If you use certain
> >>> accommodations in the classroom, insist on the same accommodations
> >>> for testing.
> >>>
> >>> Sabra Ewing
> >>>
> >>> On May 1, 2018, at 5:22 PM, Bhavya shah via BlindMath <
> >>> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dear all,
> >>>
> >>> I am Bhavya Shah, a totally blind 16-year-old student from Mumbai,
> >>> India. Having just completed my tenth grade with the same Mathematics
> >>> and Science syllabus as my sighted peers in a mainstream school, I
> >>> intend to take up the Science stream according to the Indian
> >>> education system for Classes 11 and 12 with the subject combination
> >>> of
> >>> Physics+Chemistry+Mathematics, and probably take up something along
> >>> the lines of Computer Science for my undergraduate studies after that
> >>> (although I shouldn?t overly worry about about finalizing that for
> >>> now, I suppose). Additionally, I shall be enrolling into coaching for
> >>> a very competitive pan-India engineering entrance examination over
> >>> the next two years where I will be delving into particularly advanced
> >>> topics in to the three afore-mentioned subjects.
> >>>
> >>> Till Class 10, I managed an overwhelming chunk of Math either orally
> >>> or mentally, and from what I have been informed, have dealt with
> >>> relatively very simple organic structures, general numericals and
> >>> chemical equations which I have been handling mostly via plain text.
> >>> It has become increasingly clear to me that this makeshift method
> >>> will be extremely inefficient and consequently infeasible for the
> >>> kind of syllabus I am transitioning to. Hence, I am looking for
> >>> different techniques, tools or methods of typing Math and Science
> >>> that will allow me to be as rapid a Math&Science typist as I am of
> >>> the English language (at its peak, my fingers have achieved about 100
> >>> WPM) so that I can cope with the daily rigor this coaching demands. I
> >>> need to be able to type mathematical and scientific content
> >>> accurately and swiftly not necessarily such that it is visually
> >>> readable by a sighted professor but more so for my own reference,
> >>> understanding and purposes of review and revision.
> >>>
> >>> So far, I am versed only with two options ? ASCII Math, where I would
> >>> just type Math and Science using standard symbols present on any
> >>> keyboard such as /, *, ^ and so on to denote different things
> >>> (perhaps
> >>> (x+2)/x-1)) in chiefly plain text, or type things in LaTeX using
> >>> MathType ($\frac{x+2}{x-1}$) and employ Math Player and NVDA to read
> >>> it. From my basic understanding of this and limited past experience
> >>> with each of these methods, the former sounds much faster and more
> >>> efficient to me, but I am open to evidence and experiences suggesting
> >>> otherwise. There are various other Math typing tools I have heard
> >>> about over the years such as Infty Reader and Lean Math, but have
> >>> never adequately researched them let alone used them to any extent.
> >>> Any information or instructional material on these and other
> >>> potential alternatives you would recommend would be of great help too.
> >>>
> >>> I would truly appreciate any assistance on different strategies you
> >>> may have used to math your sighted counterparts? speed in terms of
> >>> writing and solving mathematical and scientific material, questions
> >>> and problem sets.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Best Regards
> >>> Bhavya Shah
> >>>
> >>> Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons:
> >>> https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
> >>>
> >>> Contacting Me
> >>> E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125 at gmail.com
> >>> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/
> >>> Twitter: @BhavyaShah125
> >>> Skype: bhavya.09
> >>>
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> >
> >
> > --
> > Best Regards
> > Bhavya Shah
> >
> > Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
> >
> > Contacting Me
> > E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125 at gmail.com
> > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/
> > Twitter: @BhavyaShah125
> > Skype: bhavya.09
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 21:18:36 +0000
> > From: "Godfrey, Jonathan" <A.J.Godfrey at massey.ac.nz>
> > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Typing Math and Science Quickly and
> > Understandably
> > Message-ID:
> > <SY3PR01MB20608F2750E51090D77433C293870 at SY3PR01MB2060.
> ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > I quite obviously disagree with Lucasz's statement that markdown is more
> > efficient than MS Word for note-taking.
> >
> > They can be totally equivalent in that the content of the markdown
> document
> > can be copy and pasted into a MS Word document and converted to quite
> > readable content as quickly inside Word.
> >
> > In fact, I can see how a good MS Word user who knows the necessary
> > keystrokes could get to the same endpoint in about the same time.
> >
> > Different solutions will work better for different people. I think that
> > outright statements are risky at best and are often leading people
> astray.
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Lukasz
> Grabowski
> > via BlindMath
> > Sent: Friday, 4 May 2018 9:00 a.m.
> > To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> > Cc: Lukasz Grabowski <graboluk at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Typing Math and Science Quickly and
> Understandably
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Yes I can confirm it is fundamentally incorrect, to say the least ("not
> even
> > wrong", as the saying goes). In order to understand that it is so, you
> would
> > have to compare both methods at, say, taking notes for an advanced
> > university-level mathematics course, in which case you would realize that
> > the efficiency of using markdown with latex is orders of magnitude higher
> > than using word with mathtype.
> >
> >
> > Best,
> > Lukasz
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 4 May 2018 01:35:01 +0530
> > Bhavya shah via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Brandon,
> >>
> >> In essence, this method is very similar to how I used to use LaTeX of
> >> MathType to generate Math ML content that was visually readible and
> >> screen reader firnedly with the help of NVDA and Math Player. However,
> >> my only two concerns are that using LaTeX or any other standardized
> >> Math code to type would almost invariably mean (1) slightly longer and
> >> stricter syntax that would need to be mandatorily followed, and (2)
> >> there are several reasons, some of which include lack of customization
> >> in pronunciation and excessive pausing, why I found reading Math ML
> >> with the help of Math Player and NVDA somewhat cumbersome in my past
> >> experiences. If I come to think of it, it is quite certain that at
> >> some point in time, either for typing my own Math&Science or for
> >> reading my transcribed course material, I will need to deal with Math
> >> ML using Math Player and NVDA, so in a day at most, I will be retrying
> >> Math ML and sharing some of the more significant concerns and issues I
> >> have with interacting with Math ML.
> >>
> >> Kindly let me know if my present understanding of the method you
> >> described that this is just Pandoc instead of MathType and commandline
> >> instead of Word for using LaTeX to generate Math ML content is
> >> fundamentally incorrect.
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> On 5/3/18, Brandon Keith Biggs via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Hello,
> >> > Markdown with LaTeX is perfect for you. Here is an example that
> >> > Lukasz (from this list wrote):
> >> >
> >> > ## Parametric Forms
> >> >
> >> > *transcriber: system of two equations, each one has an extra
> >> > information after comma* \ $x = t^2 -2t$, $dx = 2t-2$ \ $y= t+1$,
> >> > minimum at $t=1$ \
> >> > *transcriber: end of the system*
> >> >
> >> > For window:
> >> > \
> >> > $t$ from $[-2,4]$, $t$ step $= 0.1$
> >> > \
> >> > $x$ from $[-1,10]$
> >> > \
> >> > $y$ from $[-1,5]$
> >> >
> >> > # something easier
> >> >
> >> > $3x + y = 10$
> >> > \
> >> > $9 * 5 = 45$
> >> > \
> >> > Fractions
> >> > \
> >> > $\frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{2} = 1$
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > This converts perfectly to MathML using pandoc:
> >> > https://pandoc.org/
> >> >
> >> > You install pandoc, open a command line where you have the math
> >> > content and type:
> >> >
> >> > pandoc my_math_file.md --mathml -s -o my_html_output_file.html
> >> >
> >> > You can give your professor the html file and they can read it in
> >> > print just fine. If you have a Braille display, the MathML shows up
> >> > just fine and it is also read by the screen reader. NVDA requires
> >> > Math player (see the user guide under reading math content for more
> >> > info). Thanks,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Sean Tikkun via BlindMath <
> >> > blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Bhavya Shah,
> >> >>
> >> >> I am assembling a team to generate 3D models to assist in
> >> >> learning. The team leaders are a former math teacher fluent in
> >> >> Braille (me) and a Fabrication lab director that teaches Biological
> >> >> and Chemical Sciences at the University level. If you have access
> >> >> to 3D printing I would love to know what you may need.
> >> >> Files are easy to send. If not, perhaps there is a fabrication lab
> >> >> at a university in Mumbai that would be interested in some
> >> >> collaboration? Feel free to reach out. stikkun at nccu.edu.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Sean Tikkun
> >> >> Apple Distinguished Educator
> >> >> class of 2007
> >> >>
> >> >> On May 01, 2018, at 08:51 PM, Sabra Ewing via BlindMath <
> >> >> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> I typed most of my math using the first method. You might be able
> >> >> to type more quickly if you had a braille keyboard. Also note that
> >> >> you can use parentheses and brackets. The Pearce in equation editor
> >> >> can produce math in a visual format. It is free. The braille note
> >> >> touch can do this as well although it is very expensive. I would
> >> >> definitely say to use a keyboard. Do not type on your phone as I am
> >> >> doing now because it is much slower.
> >> >> Another
> >> >> thing you can do is use copy and paste. You do not have to type
> >> >> everything from scratch. You can copy previous steps to your
> >> >> clipboard, paste them, and then modify them to create your future
> >> >> steps. Like for example, you might write a chemical equation that
> >> >> is not balanced. Paste this equation underneath it so you have two
> >> >> copies of the same equation. Then, take the first step toward
> >> >> balancing that equation and make those changes to your second copy.
> >> >> Now you have your equation and underneath it, you have the modified
> >> >> version with step one completed, so copied the version with step
> >> >> one completed to your clipboard and paste it underneath.
> >> >> Now you have the original equation, and you have two copies of step
> >> >> one. Modified the second copy of step one based on what you plan to
> >> >> do in step two. Continue this method until you have finished the
> >> >> problem. With a braille keyboard, you should be able to type as
> >> >> fast as someone can speak and even faster. If you cannot or a
> >> >> braille keyboard is not an option, you can record what is being
> >> >> said with a phone or other recording device and you can then go
> >> >> back over it. Another thing you can do is request things in
> >> >> electronic format. Mini American professors do not know how to
> >> >> create accessible math when it is really very easy as you
> >> >> described. You do not have to know any markup languages. You can
> >> >> create accessible math just by using your computer keyboard, and in
> >> >> many cases, if you are a computer science student, your math is in
> >> >> the perfect format to just paste right over into your ide. Maybe
> >> >> Indian professors would be better at creating accessible. If not,
> >> >> you might be able to find someone who can do it. This will be
> >> >> especially easy if you can find some funding. I was not lucky in
> >> >> this regard because other than professors, I never found a
> >> >> dedicated person who knew how to produce accessible math. I finally
> >> >> got to a position where I could no longer receive accessible math
> >> >> because I moved on to a four-year university where the professors
> >> >> did not know how to produce it. It is very ironic that when I
> >> >> started out at a two year university, the professors did know how
> >> >> to produce it. I approach programmers, professors, deans, and
> >> >> department head.
> >> >> No one actually knew how including the programmers who produce
> >> >> accessible math every day. I finally had to end up listening to my
> >> >> math on recordings and writing everything down. It was very
> >> >> difficult. If you want to get math in braille, there is software
> >> >> that can do it called Duxberry.
> >> >> Ironically, my university actually had this software, but no one
> >> >> knew how to use it including the people who worked at disability
> >> >> services. Getting it for yourself will not be helpful. If you get
> >> >> this software, you will need someone who can modify the equations
> >> >> for you. If your professor has files that were generated from a
> >> >> markup language, you could try asking for those source files. Even
> >> >> if you do not know the markup language, math is written very
> >> >> similarly when you are programming computers, so you could probably
> >> >> pick up how to read it. Unfortunately, my professors used PDFs that
> >> >> they got from other sources or pictures of hand written documents
> >> >> so I could not do this. People will try to tell you that Matt
> >> >> cannot be produced excessively on the computer. This simply is not
> >> >> true. Every mathematical formula, function, and number known to
> >> >> humankind can be programmed into a computer using a text based
> >> >> programming language. Also, many of these functions and formulas
> >> >> can be put into XL. If you can put these formulas into XL, then you
> >> >> can produce them accessibly in a word document. If someone is
> >> >> trying to tell you that they can't, then just tell them to put it
> >> >> in a spreadsheet, press F2 on the cells, and read the formulas that
> >> >> way. XL is very good because you can use it to organize data, you
> >> >> can use it as a calculator, and you can use it to create tables and
> >> >> graphs. You can put these documents in your dropbox and you can get
> >> >> the pictures of the graphs.
> >> >> You can then import these pictures into the voice app on your phone
> >> >> and you can listen to them. If you are going to listen to pie
> >> >> charts, to make it easier on yourself to read, use the 3-D
> >> >> exploding pie charts. This may sound counterintuitive, but when you
> >> >> listen to them, there is a bit more separation between each piece.
> >> >> I don't know how you would get training to listen to grass. I just
> >> >> automatically was born knowing how to do it. No one ever taught me.
> >> >> I could always listen to graphs very easily and I could never read
> >> >> tactile graphics. There is also a program called math tracks where
> >> >> you can create audio graphs by entering in equations.However, it is
> >> >> really best to have both the equation and the data because what if
> >> >> you created a graph using any equation, and you need to make some
> >> >> changes to the data? Well, you don't have the data, so what are you
> >> >> going to do? You could probably generate the data from the equation
> >> >> in some cases, but that will take forever. I like to listen to a
> >> >> graph and have the spreadsheet in front of me at the same time.
> >> >> There is also a blind chemist named Dr. sapalo. I'm not sure how to
> >> >> spell his name. I have his card somewhere but I just have to find
> >> >> it. I really wish people would start using those barcode Cards
> >> >> where I can scan the contact information into my phone, but I only
> >> >> know one person who uses those. Anyways, You may want to get in
> >> >> touch with him. He has all of these probes. They do all different
> >> >> things. They connect to a computer and they can measure chemical
> >> >> reactions and make graphs and do all this stuff depending on what
> >> >> probe you use. For example, you could use one probe to graph the
> >> >> color changes that occur during an experiment. You could use
> >> >> another probe to track temperature changes like ice melting. I
> >> >> don't really do chemistry, but if I did, I imagine I would want
> >> >> this thing, but I can't remember what it is called. But he is
> >> >> actually a chemistry professor at a university. He is totally blind
> >> >> and he teaches classes and runs labs and does all sorts of things.
> >> >> There are plenty of blind computer scientists, but he struck my
> >> >> interest in particular because I have not heard of mini blind
> >> >> chemists. He also had some good advice for 3-D printing that would
> >> >> work in the United States, but I am not sure if it would work in
> >> >> India. If possible though, you may want to get some 3-D models
> >> >> printed.
> >> >> Another thing is that you want to stay consistent. You want to make
> >> >> sure that you are doing things in the classroom the same way you
> >> >> will do them during testing. In my chemistry class, I did not have
> >> >> access to a lot of 3-D models, but for testing purposes, they made
> >> >> me a 3-D model. This really was not fair because it was made out of
> >> >> a lot of cups and straws. I did not know what it was, and it is not
> >> >> fair to use models for testing purposes that you did not use in the
> >> >> classroom or to use a different method for testing purposes that
> >> >> you did not use in the classroom because this will skew the
> >> >> results. If you use certain accommodations in the classroom, insist
> >> >> on the same accommodations for testing.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sabra Ewing
> >> >>
> >> >> On May 1, 2018, at 5:22 PM, Bhavya shah via BlindMath <
> >> >> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Dear all,
> >> >>
> >> >> I am Bhavya Shah, a totally blind 16-year-old student from Mumbai,
> >> >> India. Having just completed my tenth grade with the same
> >> >> Mathematics and Science syllabus as my sighted peers in a
> >> >> mainstream school, I intend to take up the Science stream according
> >> >> to the Indian education system for Classes 11 and 12 with the
> >> >> subject combination of Physics+Chemistry+Mathematics, and probably
> >> >> take up something along the lines of Computer Science for my
> >> >> undergraduate studies after that (although I shouldn?t overly worry
> >> >> about about finalizing that for now, I suppose).
> >> >> Additionally, I shall be enrolling into coaching for a very
> >> >> competitive pan-India engineering entrance examination over the
> >> >> next two years where I will be delving into particularly advanced
> >> >> topics in to the three afore-mentioned subjects.
> >> >>
> >> >> Till Class 10, I managed an overwhelming chunk of Math either
> >> >> orally or mentally, and from what I have been informed, have dealt
> >> >> with relatively very simple organic structures, general numericals
> >> >> and chemical equations which I have been handling mostly via plain
> >> >> text. It has become increasingly clear to me that this makeshift
> >> >> method will be extremely inefficient and consequently infeasible
> >> >> for the kind of syllabus I am transitioning to. Hence, I am looking
> >> >> for different techniques, tools or methods of typing Math and
> >> >> Science that will allow me to be as rapid a Math&Science typist as
> >> >> I am of the English language (at its peak, my fingers have achieved
> >> >> about 100 WPM) so that I can cope with the daily rigor this
> >> >> coaching demands. I need to be able to type mathematical and
> >> >> scientific content accurately and swiftly not necessarily such that
> >> >> it is visually readable by a sighted professor but more so for my
> >> >> own reference, understanding and purposes of review and revision.
> >> >>
> >> >> So far, I am versed only with two options ? ASCII Math, where I
> >> >> would just type Math and Science using standard symbols present on
> >> >> any keyboard such as /, *, ^ and so on to denote different things
> >> >> (perhaps (x+2)/x-1)) in chiefly plain text, or type things in LaTeX
> >> >> using MathType ($\frac{x+2}{x-1}$) and employ Math Player and NVDA
> >> >> to read it. From my basic understanding of this and limited past
> >> >> experience with each of these methods, the former sounds much
> >> >> faster and more efficient to me, but I am open to evidence and
> >> >> experiences suggesting otherwise. There are various other Math
> >> >> typing tools I have heard about over the years such as Infty Reader
> >> >> and Lean Math, but have never adequately researched them let alone
> >> >> used them to any extent. Any information or instructional material
> >> >> on these and other potential alternatives you would recommend would
> >> >> be of great help too.
> >> >>
> >> >> I would truly appreciate any assistance on different strategies you
> >> >> may have used to math your sighted counterparts? speed in terms of
> >> >> writing and solving mathematical and scientific material, questions
> >> >> and problem sets.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Best Regards
> >> >> Bhavya Shah
> >> >>
> >> >> Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons:
> >> >> https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
> >> >>
> >> >> Contacting Me
> >> >> E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125 at gmail.com
> >> >> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/
> >> >> Twitter: @BhavyaShah125
> >> >> Skype: bhavya.09
> >> >>
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> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 22:47:55 +0100
> > From: Lukasz Grabowski <graboluk at gmail.com>
> > To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Typing Math and Science Quickly and
> > Understandably
> > Message-ID: <20180503224755.72670409 at demokritos>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > Jonathan,
> >
> > Your statement about comparable efficiency is, in my humble
> > opinion of a professional pure mathematicians with many years of
> > experience at lecturing, research, taking notes, etc., completely
> > false. While we will not settle it here directly, a strong indirect
> > argument is that if they were of comparable efficiency then more
> > professional mathematicians would use it for preparing lecture notes,
> > articles, etc. As I'm sure you know, the amount of professional pure
> > mathematicians using word is absolutely negligible (to the extent that
> > people who use it are subjects of anecdotes passed around during
> > conference dinners, etc.).
> >
> > As for specifically taking notes in pure maths lectures, I have
> > absolutely never seen anyone who'd use word for this purpose, only
> > either latex or markdown.
> >
> > (There are also of course other issues, of interoperability and so on,
> > which are also important, and if one consider these, then obviously
> > using word for anything at all is, for lack of a better word,
> > irresponsible)
> >
> > Best,
> > Lukasz
> >
> > P.S. As for usage of \ in markdown, I can't agree with you: the example
> > of Brandon was a transcription, and it was mildly important to
> > distinguish between newlines and paragraphs. But even in markdown
> > for say taking notes, if you want to produce material which works both
> > for you and for sighted users then the cleanest way to write say
> > multiline equation is with explicit \
> >
> > On Thu, 3 May 2018 21:18:36 +0000
> > "Godfrey, Jonathan via BlindMath" <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I quite obviously disagree with Lucasz's statement that markdown is
> >> more efficient than MS Word for note-taking.
> >>
> >> They can be totally equivalent in that the content of the markdown
> >> document can be copy and pasted into a MS Word document and converted
> >> to quite readable content as quickly inside Word.
> >>
> >> In fact, I can see how a good MS Word user who knows the necessary
> >> keystrokes could get to the same endpoint in about the same time.
> >>
> >> Different solutions will work better for different people. I think
> >> that outright statements are risky at best and are often leading
> >> people astray.
> >>
> >> Jonathan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Lukasz
> >> Grabowski via BlindMath Sent: Friday, 4 May 2018 9:00 a.m.
> >> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> >> Cc: Lukasz Grabowski <graboluk at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Typing Math and Science Quickly and
> >> Understandably
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> Yes I can confirm it is fundamentally incorrect, to say the least
> >> ("not even wrong", as the saying goes). In order to understand that
> >> it is so, you would have to compare both methods at, say, taking
> >> notes for an advanced university-level mathematics course, in which
> >> case you would realize that the efficiency of using markdown with
> >> latex is orders of magnitude higher than using word with mathtype.
> >>
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Lukasz
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, 4 May 2018 01:35:01 +0530
> >> Bhavya shah via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi Brandon,
> >> >
> >> > In essence, this method is very similar to how I used to use LaTeX
> >> > of MathType to generate Math ML content that was visually readible
> >> > and screen reader firnedly with the help of NVDA and Math Player.
> >> > However, my only two concerns are that using LaTeX or any other
> >> > standardized Math code to type would almost invariably mean (1)
> >> > slightly longer and stricter syntax that would need to be
> >> > mandatorily followed, and (2) there are several reasons, some of
> >> > which include lack of customization in pronunciation and excessive
> >> > pausing, why I found reading Math ML with the help of Math Player
> >> > and NVDA somewhat cumbersome in my past experiences. If I come to
> >> > think of it, it is quite certain that at some point in time, either
> >> > for typing my own Math&Science or for reading my transcribed course
> >> > material, I will need to deal with Math ML using Math Player and
> >> > NVDA, so in a day at most, I will be retrying Math ML and sharing
> >> > some of the more significant concerns and issues I have with
> >> > interacting with Math ML.
> >> >
> >> > Kindly let me know if my present understanding of the method you
> >> > described that this is just Pandoc instead of MathType and
> >> > commandline instead of Word for using LaTeX to generate Math ML
> >> > content is fundamentally incorrect.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks.
> >> >
> >> > On 5/3/18, Brandon Keith Biggs via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > > Hello,
> >> > > Markdown with LaTeX is perfect for you. Here is an example that
> >> > > Lukasz (from this list wrote):
> >> > >
> >> > > ## Parametric Forms
> >> > >
> >> > > *transcriber: system of two equations, each one has an extra
> >> > > information after comma* \ $x = t^2 -2t$, $dx = 2t-2$ \ $y= t+1$,
> >> > > minimum at $t=1$ \
> >> > > *transcriber: end of the system*
> >> > >
> >> > > For window:
> >> > > \
> >> > > $t$ from $[-2,4]$, $t$ step $= 0.1$
> >> > > \
> >> > > $x$ from $[-1,10]$
> >> > > \
> >> > > $y$ from $[-1,5]$
> >> > >
> >> > > # something easier
> >> > >
> >> > > $3x + y = 10$
> >> > > \
> >> > > $9 * 5 = 45$
> >> > > \
> >> > > Fractions
> >> > > \
> >> > > $\frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{2} = 1$
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > This converts perfectly to MathML using pandoc:
> >> > > https://pandoc.org/
> >> > >
> >> > > You install pandoc, open a command line where you have the math
> >> > > content and type:
> >> > >
> >> > > pandoc my_math_file.md --mathml -s -o my_html_output_file.html
> >> > >
> >> > > You can give your professor the html file and they can read it in
> >> > > print just fine. If you have a Braille display, the MathML shows
> >> > > up just fine and it is also read by the screen reader. NVDA
> >> > > requires Math player (see the user guide under reading math
> >> > > content for more info). Thanks,
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>
> >> > >
> >> > > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Sean Tikkun via BlindMath <
> >> > > blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Bhavya Shah,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I am assembling a team to generate 3D models to assist in
> >> > >> learning. The team leaders are a former math teacher fluent in
> >> > >> Braille (me) and a Fabrication lab director that teaches
> >> > >> Biological and Chemical Sciences at the University level. If you
> >> > >> have access to 3D printing I would love to know what you may
> >> > >> need. Files are easy to send. If not, perhaps there is a
> >> > >> fabrication lab at a university in Mumbai that would be
> >> > >> interested in some collaboration? Feel free to reach out.
> >> > >> stikkun at nccu.edu.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Sean Tikkun
> >> > >> Apple Distinguished Educator
> >> > >> class of 2007
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On May 01, 2018, at 08:51 PM, Sabra Ewing via BlindMath <
> >> > >> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I typed most of my math using the first method. You might be
> >> > >> able to type more quickly if you had a braille keyboard. Also
> >> > >> note that you can use parentheses and brackets. The Pearce in
> >> > >> equation editor can produce math in a visual format. It is free.
> >> > >> The braille note touch can do this as well although it is very
> >> > >> expensive. I would definitely say to use a keyboard. Do not type
> >> > >> on your phone as I am doing now because it is much slower.
> >> > >> Another
> >> > >> thing you can do is use copy and paste. You do not have to type
> >> > >> everything from scratch. You can copy previous steps to your
> >> > >> clipboard, paste them, and then modify them to create your
> >> > >> future steps. Like for example, you might write a chemical
> >> > >> equation that is not balanced. Paste this equation underneath it
> >> > >> so you have two copies of the same equation. Then, take the
> >> > >> first step toward balancing that equation and make those changes
> >> > >> to your second copy. Now you have your equation and underneath
> >> > >> it, you have the modified version with step one completed, so
> >> > >> copied the version with step one completed to your clipboard and
> >> > >> paste it underneath. Now you have the original equation, and you
> >> > >> have two copies of step one. Modified the second copy of step
> >> > >> one based on what you plan to do in step two. Continue this
> >> > >> method until you have finished the problem. With a braille
> >> > >> keyboard, you should be able to type as fast as someone can
> >> > >> speak and even faster. If you cannot or a braille keyboard is
> >> > >> not an option, you can record what is being said with a phone or
> >> > >> other recording device and you can then go back over it. Another
> >> > >> thing you can do is request things in electronic format. Mini
> >> > >> American professors do not know how to create accessible math
> >> > >> when it is really very easy as you described. You do not have to
> >> > >> know any markup languages. You can create accessible math just
> >> > >> by using your computer keyboard, and in many cases, if you are a
> >> > >> computer science student, your math is in the perfect format to
> >> > >> just paste right over into your ide. Maybe Indian professors
> >> > >> would be better at creating accessible. If not, you might be
> >> > >> able to find someone who can do it. This will be especially easy
> >> > >> if you can find some funding. I was not lucky in this regard
> >> > >> because other than professors, I never found a dedicated person
> >> > >> who knew how to produce accessible math. I finally got to a
> >> > >> position where I could no longer receive accessible math because
> >> > >> I moved on to a four-year university where the professors did
> >> > >> not know how to produce it. It is very ironic that when I
> >> > >> started out at a two year university, the professors did know
> >> > >> how to produce it. I approach programmers, professors, deans,
> >> > >> and department head. No one actually knew how including the
> >> > >> programmers who produce accessible math every day. I finally had
> >> > >> to end up listening to my math on recordings and writing
> >> > >> everything down. It was very difficult. If you want to get math
> >> > >> in braille, there is software that can do it called Duxberry.
> >> > >> Ironically, my university actually had this software, but no one
> >> > >> knew how to use it including the people who worked at disability
> >> > >> services. Getting it for yourself will not be helpful. If you
> >> > >> get this software, you will need someone who can modify the
> >> > >> equations for you. If your professor has files that were
> >> > >> generated from a markup language, you could try asking for those
> >> > >> source files. Even if you do not know the markup language, math
> >> > >> is written very similarly when you are programming computers, so
> >> > >> you could probably pick up how to read it. Unfortunately, my
> >> > >> professors used PDFs that they got from other sources or
> >> > >> pictures of hand written documents so I could not do this.
> >> > >> People will try to tell you that Matt cannot be produced
> >> > >> excessively on the computer. This simply is not true. Every
> >> > >> mathematical formula, function, and number known to humankind
> >> > >> can be programmed into a computer using a text based programming
> >> > >> language. Also, many of these functions and formulas can be put
> >> > >> into XL. If you can put these formulas into XL, then you can
> >> > >> produce them accessibly in a word document. If someone is trying
> >> > >> to tell you that they can't, then just tell them to put it in a
> >> > >> spreadsheet, press F2 on the cells, and read the formulas that
> >> > >> way. XL is very good because you can use it to organize data,
> >> > >> you can use it as a calculator, and you can use it to create
> >> > >> tables and graphs. You can put these documents in your dropbox
> >> > >> and you can get the pictures of the graphs. You can then import
> >> > >> these pictures into the voice app on your phone and you can
> >> > >> listen to them. If you are going to listen to pie charts, to
> >> > >> make it easier on yourself to read, use the 3-D exploding pie
> >> > >> charts. This may sound counterintuitive, but when you listen to
> >> > >> them, there is a bit more separation between each piece. I don't
> >> > >> know how you would get training to listen to grass. I just
> >> > >> automatically was born knowing how to do it. No one ever taught
> >> > >> me. I could always listen to graphs very easily and I could
> >> > >> never read tactile graphics. There is also a program called math
> >> > >> tracks where you can create audio graphs by entering in
> >> > >> equations.However, it is really best to have both the equation
> >> > >> and the data because what if you created a graph using any
> >> > >> equation, and you need to make some changes to the data? Well,
> >> > >> you don't have the data, so what are you going to do? You could
> >> > >> probably generate the data from the equation in some cases, but
> >> > >> that will take forever. I like to listen to a graph and have the
> >> > >> spreadsheet in front of me at the same time. There is also a
> >> > >> blind chemist named Dr. sapalo. I'm not sure how to spell his
> >> > >> name. I have his card somewhere but I just have to find it. I
> >> > >> really wish people would start using those barcode Cards where I
> >> > >> can scan the contact information into my phone, but I only know
> >> > >> one person who uses those. Anyways, You may want to get in touch
> >> > >> with him. He has all of these probes. They do all different
> >> > >> things. They connect to a computer and they can measure chemical
> >> > >> reactions and make graphs and do all this stuff depending on
> >> > >> what probe you use. For example, you could use one probe to
> >> > >> graph the color changes that occur during an experiment. You
> >> > >> could use another probe to track temperature changes like ice
> >> > >> melting. I don't really do chemistry, but if I did, I imagine I
> >> > >> would want this thing, but I can't remember what it is called.
> >> > >> But he is actually a chemistry professor at a university. He is
> >> > >> totally blind and he teaches classes and runs labs and does all
> >> > >> sorts of things. There are plenty of blind computer scientists,
> >> > >> but he struck my interest in particular because I have not heard
> >> > >> of mini blind chemists. He also had some good advice for 3-D
> >> > >> printing that would work in the United States, but I am not sure
> >> > >> if it would work in India. If possible though, you may want to
> >> > >> get some 3-D models printed. Another thing is that you want to
> >> > >> stay consistent. You want to make sure that you are doing things
> >> > >> in the classroom the same way you will do them during testing.
> >> > >> In my chemistry class, I did not have access to a lot of 3-D
> >> > >> models, but for testing purposes, they made me a 3-D model. This
> >> > >> really was not fair because it was made out of a lot of cups and
> >> > >> straws. I did not know what it was, and it is not fair to use
> >> > >> models for testing purposes that you did not use in the
> >> > >> classroom or to use a different method for testing purposes that
> >> > >> you did not use in the classroom because this will skew the
> >> > >> results. If you use certain accommodations in the classroom,
> >> > >> insist on the same accommodations for testing.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Sabra Ewing
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On May 1, 2018, at 5:22 PM, Bhavya shah via BlindMath <
> >> > >> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Dear all,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I am Bhavya Shah, a totally blind 16-year-old student from
> >> > >> Mumbai, India. Having just completed my tenth grade with the
> >> > >> same Mathematics and Science syllabus as my sighted peers in a
> >> > >> mainstream school, I intend to take up the Science stream
> >> > >> according to the Indian education system for Classes 11 and 12
> >> > >> with the subject combination of Physics+Chemistry+Mathematics,
> >> > >> and probably take up something along the lines of Computer
> >> > >> Science for my undergraduate studies after that (although I
> >> > >> shouldn?t overly worry about about finalizing that for now, I
> >> > >> suppose). Additionally, I shall be enrolling into coaching for a
> >> > >> very competitive pan-India engineering entrance examination over
> >> > >> the next two years where I will be delving into particularly
> >> > >> advanced topics in to the three afore-mentioned subjects.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Till Class 10, I managed an overwhelming chunk of Math either
> >> > >> orally or mentally, and from what I have been informed, have
> >> > >> dealt with relatively very simple organic structures, general
> >> > >> numericals and chemical equations which I have been handling
> >> > >> mostly via plain text. It has become increasingly clear to me
> >> > >> that this makeshift method will be extremely inefficient and
> >> > >> consequently infeasible for the kind of syllabus I am
> >> > >> transitioning to. Hence, I am looking for different techniques,
> >> > >> tools or methods of typing Math and Science that will allow me
> >> > >> to be as rapid a Math&Science typist as I am of the English
> >> > >> language (at its peak, my fingers have achieved about 100 WPM)
> >> > >> so that I can cope with the daily rigor this coaching demands. I
> >> > >> need to be able to type mathematical and scientific content
> >> > >> accurately and swiftly not necessarily such that it is visually
> >> > >> readable by a sighted professor but more so for my own
> >> > >> reference, understanding and purposes of review and revision.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> So far, I am versed only with two options ? ASCII Math, where I
> >> > >> would just type Math and Science using standard symbols present
> >> > >> on any keyboard such as /, *, ^ and so on to denote different
> >> > >> things (perhaps (x+2)/x-1)) in chiefly plain text, or type
> >> > >> things in LaTeX using MathType ($\frac{x+2}{x-1}$) and employ
> >> > >> Math Player and NVDA to read it. From my basic understanding of
> >> > >> this and limited past experience with each of these methods, the
> >> > >> former sounds much faster and more efficient to me, but I am
> >> > >> open to evidence and experiences suggesting otherwise. There are
> >> > >> various other Math typing tools I have heard about over the
> >> > >> years such as Infty Reader and Lean Math, but have never
> >> > >> adequately researched them let alone used them to any extent.
> >> > >> Any information or instructional material on these and other
> >> > >> potential alternatives you would recommend would be of great
> >> > >> help too.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I would truly appreciate any assistance on different strategies
> >> > >> you may have used to math your sighted counterparts? speed in
> >> > >> terms of writing and solving mathematical and scientific
> >> > >> material, questions and problem sets.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Thanks.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> --
> >> > >> Best Regards
> >> > >> Bhavya Shah
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons:
> >> > >> https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Contacting Me
> >> > >> E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125 at gmail.com
> >> > >> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/
> >> > >> Twitter: @BhavyaShah125
> >> > >> Skype: bhavya.09
> >> > >>
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> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 15:24:07 -0700
> > From: Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com>
> > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Typing Math and Science Quickly and
> > Understandably
> > Message-ID:
> > <CAKAWQkW1VDzc475K5PxNO5a4Cor+ZZNaMpbcf=yZ_3RGk3MOHw at mail.
> gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > Hello Jonathan,
> > Do you have something that explains the least cumbersome syntax for
> > Markdown / LaTeX?
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> > Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>
> >
> > On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 2:11 PM, Godfrey, Jonathan via BlindMath <
> > blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> You are correct that use of LaTeX within a markdown document leads to
> the
> >> same outcome as the workflow you have used in MS Word with MathType. I
> >> don't think you should suddenly change workflow for improved access to
> >> the
> >> mathematical content. There are other reasons why you should get use of
> >> pandoc into your toolbox though.
> >>
> >> I do think Brandon's example is more cumbersome than it needed to be. I
> >> use markdown almost daily, and I only ever put a \ to get mathematical
> >> content. Forever listening to backslash from any screen reader is
> >> annoying,
> >> slows me down, and often presents a distraction. This was a leading
> >> reason
> >> for reducing my use of full-blown LaTeX.
> >>
> >> I would urge you to make use of the LEAN editor mentioned in this thread
> >> to enhance your workflow. The feature of LEAN I use most is the addition
> >> of
> >> tags to the math content so that you do not need to go backwards and
> >> forwards into LaTeX mode to read the content, and you don't have to use
> >> the
> >> specific combination of tools (screen reader + math player). LEAN offers
> >> an
> >> alternative and I am not suggesting it as a replacement. Having options
> >> is
> >> power, because it puts you in control.
> >>
> >> I do think you need to enhance what you do a little to get the best of
> >> what you have now before you embark on all manner of options. I would
> >> also
> >> suggest to you that the accuracy aspect of your criticism of LaTeX
> (while
> >> true) is also true for practically every tool you will use, and is also
> >> true for the scientific content you will be working with. I think your
> >> initial message to this thread said you were considering a computer
> >> science
> >> major; the programming languages you use will have limited flexibility
> to
> >> deal with the human inaccuracies that even the best among us is prone to
> >> create. For me, it is the ability to find and correct these inaccuracies
> >> that tells me how truly accessible a solution is for me. Markdown is the
> >> solution that works best for me today; it is not the only solution I
> use.
> >>
> >> My final point is about use of a personal system. I know plenty of blind
> >> people who have little shorthand things we write. The problem is that
> >> they
> >> are individual and can't be shared. The most likely person you will want
> >> to
> >> share your work with is your future-self. Will you recall the shorthand
> >> you
> >> use today in ten years' time?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Jonathan
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Bhavya shah
> >> via BlindMath
> >> Sent: Friday, 4 May 2018 8:05 a.m.
> >> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <
> >> blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> >> Cc: Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125 at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Typing Math and Science Quickly and
> >> Understandably
> >>
> >> Hi Brandon,
> >>
> >> In essence, this method is very similar to how I used to use LaTeX of
> >> MathType to generate Math ML content that was visually readible and
> >> screen
> >> reader firnedly with the help of NVDA and Math Player. However, my only
> >> two
> >> concerns are that using LaTeX or any other standardized Math code to
> type
> >> would almost invariably mean (1) slightly longer and stricter syntax
> that
> >> would need to be mandatorily followed, and (2) there are several
> reasons,
> >> some of which include lack of customization in pronunciation and
> >> excessive
> >> pausing, why I found reading Math ML with the help of Math Player and
> >> NVDA
> >> somewhat cumbersome in my past experiences. If I come to think of it, it
> >> is
> >> quite certain that at some point in time, either for typing my own
> >> Math&Science or for reading my transcribed course material, I will need
> >> to
> >> deal with Math ML using Math Player and NVDA, so in a day at most, I
> will
> >> be retrying Math ML and sharing some of the more significant concerns
> and
> >> issues I have with interacting with Math ML.
> >>
> >> Kindly let me know if my present understanding of the method you
> >> described
> >> that this is just Pandoc instead of MathType and commandline instead of
> >> Word for using LaTeX to generate Math ML content is fundamentally
> >> incorrect.
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> On 5/3/18, Brandon Keith Biggs via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Hello,
> >> > Markdown with LaTeX is perfect for you. Here is an example that Lukasz
> >> > (from this list wrote):
> >> >
> >> > ## Parametric Forms
> >> >
> >> > *transcriber: system of two equations, each one has an extra
> >> > information after comma* \ $x = t^2 -2t$, $dx = 2t-2$ \ $y= t+1$,
> >> > minimum at $t=1$ \
> >> > *transcriber: end of the system*
> >> >
> >> > For window:
> >> > \
> >> > $t$ from $[-2,4]$, $t$ step $= 0.1$
> >> > \
> >> > $x$ from $[-1,10]$
> >> > \
> >> > $y$ from $[-1,5]$
> >> >
> >> > # something easier
> >> >
> >> > $3x + y = 10$
> >> > \
> >> > $9 * 5 = 45$
> >> > \
> >> > Fractions
> >> > \
> >> > $\frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{2} = 1$
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > This converts perfectly to MathML using pandoc:
> >> > https://pandoc.org/
> >> >
> >> > You install pandoc, open a command line where you have the math
> >> > content and
> >> > type:
> >> >
> >> > pandoc my_math_file.md --mathml -s -o my_html_output_file.html
> >> >
> >> > You can give your professor the html file and they can read it in
> >> > print just fine. If you have a Braille display, the MathML shows up
> >> > just fine and it is also read by the screen reader. NVDA requires Math
> >> > player (see the user guide under reading math content for more info).
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Sean Tikkun via BlindMath <
> >> > blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Bhavya Shah,
> >> >>
> >> >> I am assembling a team to generate 3D models to assist in
> >> >> learning. The team leaders are a former math teacher fluent in
> >> >> Braille (me) and a Fabrication lab director that teaches Biological
> >> >> and Chemical Sciences at the University level. If you have access to
> >> >> 3D printing I would love to know what you may need. Files are easy to
> >> >> send. If not, perhaps there is a fabrication lab at a university in
> >> >> Mumbai that would be interested in some collaboration?
> >> >> Feel free to reach out. stikkun at nccu.edu.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Sean Tikkun
> >> >> Apple Distinguished Educator
> >> >> class of 2007
> >> >>
> >> >> On May 01, 2018, at 08:51 PM, Sabra Ewing via BlindMath <
> >> >> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> I typed most of my math using the first method. You might be able to
> >> >> type more quickly if you had a braille keyboard. Also note that you
> >> >> can use parentheses and brackets. The Pearce in equation editor can
> >> >> produce math in a visual format. It is free. The braille note touch
> >> >> can do this as well although it is very expensive. I would definitely
> >> >> say to use a keyboard.
> >> >> Do
> >> >> not type on your phone as I am doing now because it is much slower.
> >> >> Another
> >> >> thing you can do is use copy and paste. You do not have to type
> >> >> everything from scratch. You can copy previous steps to your
> >> >> clipboard, paste them, and then modify them to create your future
> >> >> steps. Like for example, you might write a chemical equation that is
> >> >> not balanced. Paste this equation underneath it so you have two
> >> >> copies of the same equation. Then, take the first step toward
> >> >> balancing that equation and make those changes to your second copy.
> >> >> Now you have your equation and underneath it, you have the modified
> >> >> version with step one completed, so copied the version with step one
> >> >> completed to your clipboard and paste it underneath. Now you have the
> >> >> original equation, and you have two copies of step one. Modified the
> >> >> second copy of step one based on what you plan to do in step two.
> >> >> Continue this method until you have finished the problem. With a
> >> >> braille keyboard, you should be able to type as fast as someone can
> >> >> speak and even faster. If you cannot or a braille keyboard is not an
> >> >> option, you can record what is being said with a phone or other
> >> >> recording device and you can then go back over it. Another thing you
> >> >> can do is request things in electronic format. Mini American
> >> >> professors do not know how to create accessible math when it is
> >> >> really very easy as you described. You do not have to know any markup
> >> >> languages. You can create accessible math just by using your computer
> >> >> keyboard, and in many cases, if you are a computer science student,
> >> >> your math is in the perfect format to just paste right over into your
> >> ide.
> >> >> Maybe
> >> >> Indian professors would be better at creating accessible. If not, you
> >> >> might be able to find someone who can do it. This will be especially
> >> >> easy if you can find some funding. I was not lucky in this regard
> >> >> because other than professors, I never found a dedicated person who
> >> >> knew how to produce accessible math. I finally got to a position
> >> >> where I could no longer receive accessible math because I moved on to
> >> >> a four-year university where the professors did not know how to
> >> >> produce it. It is very ironic that when I started out at a two year
> >> >> university, the professors did know how to produce it. I approach
> >> >> programmers, professors, deans, and department head.
> >> >> No one actually knew how including the programmers who produce
> >> >> accessible math every day. I finally had to end up listening to my
> >> >> math on recordings and writing everything down. It was very
> >> >> difficult. If you want to get math in braille, there is software that
> >> >> can do it called Duxberry. Ironically, my university actually had
> >> >> this software, but no one knew how to use it including the people who
> >> >> worked at disability services. Getting it for yourself will not be
> >> >> helpful. If you get this software, you will need someone who can
> >> >> modify the equations for you. If your professor has files that were
> >> >> generated from a markup language, you could try asking for those
> >> >> source files. Even if you do not know the markup language, math is
> >> >> written very similarly when you are programming computers, so you
> >> >> could probably pick up how to read it. Unfortunately, my professors
> >> >> used PDFs that they got from other sources or pictures of hand
> >> >> written documents so I could not do this. People will try to tell you
> >> >> that Matt cannot be produced excessively on the computer. This simply
> >> >> is not true. Every mathematical formula, function, and number known
> >> >> to humankind can be programmed into a computer using a text based
> >> >> programming language. Also, many of these functions and formulas can
> >> >> be put into XL. If you can put these formulas into XL, then you can
> >> >> produce them accessibly in a word document. If someone is trying to
> >> >> tell you that they can't, then just tell them to put it in a
> >> >> spreadsheet, press F2 on the cells, and read the formulas that way.
> >> >> XL is very good because you can use it to organize data, you can use
> >> >> it as a calculator, and you can use it to create tables and graphs.
> >> >> You can put these documents in your dropbox and you can get the
> >> >> pictures of the graphs.
> >> >> You can then import these pictures into the voice app on your phone
> >> >> and you can listen to them. If you are going to listen to pie charts,
> >> >> to make it easier on yourself to read, use the 3-D exploding pie
> >> >> charts. This may sound counterintuitive, but when you listen to them,
> >> >> there is a bit more separation between each piece. I don't know how
> >> >> you would get training to listen to grass. I just automatically was
> >> >> born knowing how to do it. No one ever taught me. I could always
> >> >> listen to graphs very easily and I could never read tactile graphics.
> >> >> There is also a program called math tracks where you can create audio
> >> >> graphs by entering in equations.However, it is really best to have
> >> >> both the equation and the data because what if you created a graph
> >> >> using any equation, and you need to make some changes to the data?
> >> >> Well, you don't have the data, so what are you going to do? You could
> >> >> probably generate the data from the equation in some cases, but that
> >> >> will take forever. I like to listen to a graph and have the
> >> >> spreadsheet in front of me at the same time. There is also a blind
> >> chemist named Dr.
> >> >> sapalo. I'm not sure how to spell his name. I have his card somewhere
> >> >> but I just have to find it. I really wish people would start using
> >> >> those barcode Cards where I can scan the contact information into my
> >> >> phone, but I only know one person who uses those. Anyways, You may
> >> >> want to get in touch with him. He has all of these probes. They do
> >> >> all different things. They connect to a computer and they can measure
> >> >> chemical reactions and make graphs and do all this stuff depending on
> >> >> what probe you use. For example, you could use one probe to graph the
> >> >> color changes that occur during an experiment.
> >> >> You could use another probe to track temperature changes like ice
> >> melting.
> >> >> I don't really do chemistry, but if I did, I imagine I would want
> >> >> this thing, but I can't remember what it is called. But he is
> >> >> actually a chemistry professor at a university. He is totally blind
> >> >> and he teaches classes and runs labs and does all sorts of things.
> >> >> There are plenty of blind computer scientists, but he struck my
> >> >> interest in particular because I have not heard of mini blind
> >> >> chemists. He also had some good advice for 3-D printing that would
> >> >> work in the United States, but I am not sure if it would work in
> >> >> India. If possible though, you may want to get some 3-D models
> >> >> printed. Another thing is that you want to stay consistent. You want
> >> >> to make sure that you are doing things in the classroom the same way
> >> >> you will do them during testing. In my chemistry class, I did not
> >> >> have access to a lot of 3-D models, but for testing purposes, they
> >> >> made me a 3-D model.
> >> >> This really was not fair because it was made out of a lot of cups and
> >> >> straws. I did not know what it was, and it is not fair to use models
> >> >> for testing purposes that you did not use in the classroom or to use
> >> >> a different method for testing purposes that you did not use in the
> >> >> classroom because this will skew the results. If you use certain
> >> >> accommodations in the classroom, insist on the same accommodations
> >> >> for testing.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sabra Ewing
> >> >>
> >> >> On May 1, 2018, at 5:22 PM, Bhavya shah via BlindMath <
> >> >> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Dear all,
> >> >>
> >> >> I am Bhavya Shah, a totally blind 16-year-old student from Mumbai,
> >> >> India. Having just completed my tenth grade with the same Mathematics
> >> >> and Science syllabus as my sighted peers in a mainstream school, I
> >> >> intend to take up the Science stream according to the Indian
> >> >> education system for Classes 11 and 12 with the subject combination
> >> >> of
> >> >> Physics+Chemistry+Mathematics, and probably take up something along
> >> >> the lines of Computer Science for my undergraduate studies after that
> >> >> (although I shouldn?t overly worry about about finalizing that for
> >> >> now, I suppose). Additionally, I shall be enrolling into coaching for
> >> >> a very competitive pan-India engineering entrance examination over
> >> >> the next two years where I will be delving into particularly advanced
> >> >> topics in to the three afore-mentioned subjects.
> >> >>
> >> >> Till Class 10, I managed an overwhelming chunk of Math either orally
> >> >> or mentally, and from what I have been informed, have dealt with
> >> >> relatively very simple organic structures, general numericals and
> >> >> chemical equations which I have been handling mostly via plain text.
> >> >> It has become increasingly clear to me that this makeshift method
> >> >> will be extremely inefficient and consequently infeasible for the
> >> >> kind of syllabus I am transitioning to. Hence, I am looking for
> >> >> different techniques, tools or methods of typing Math and Science
> >> >> that will allow me to be as rapid a Math&Science typist as I am of
> >> >> the English language (at its peak, my fingers have achieved about 100
> >> >> WPM) so that I can cope with the daily rigor this coaching demands. I
> >> >> need to be able to type mathematical and scientific content
> >> >> accurately and swiftly not necessarily such that it is visually
> >> >> readable by a sighted professor but more so for my own reference,
> >> >> understanding and purposes of review and revision.
> >> >>
> >> >> So far, I am versed only with two options ? ASCII Math, where I would
> >> >> just type Math and Science using standard symbols present on any
> >> >> keyboard such as /, *, ^ and so on to denote different things
> >> >> (perhaps
> >> >> (x+2)/x-1)) in chiefly plain text, or type things in LaTeX using
> >> >> MathType ($\frac{x+2}{x-1}$) and employ Math Player and NVDA to read
> >> >> it. From my basic understanding of this and limited past experience
> >> >> with each of these methods, the former sounds much faster and more
> >> >> efficient to me, but I am open to evidence and experiences suggesting
> >> >> otherwise. There are various other Math typing tools I have heard
> >> >> about over the years such as Infty Reader and Lean Math, but have
> >> >> never adequately researched them let alone used them to any extent.
> >> >> Any information or instructional material on these and other
> >> >> potential alternatives you would recommend would be of great help
> too.
> >> >>
> >> >> I would truly appreciate any assistance on different strategies you
> >> >> may have used to math your sighted counterparts? speed in terms of
> >> >> writing and solving mathematical and scientific material, questions
> >> >> and problem sets.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Best Regards
> >> >> Bhavya Shah
> >> >>
> >> >> Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons:
> >> >> https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
> >> >>
> >> >> Contacting Me
> >> >> E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125 at gmail.com
> >> >> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/
> >> >> Twitter: @BhavyaShah125
> >> >> Skype: bhavya.09
> >> >>
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> >> Bhavya Shah
> >>
> >> Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
> >>
> >> Contacting Me
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> >> Twitter: @BhavyaShah125
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 23:09:04 +0000
> > From: "Godfrey, Jonathan" <A.J.Godfrey at massey.ac.nz>
> > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Typing Math and Science Quickly and
> > Understandably
> > Message-ID:
> > <SY3PR01MB206029A134CB3AB964B3519F93870 at SY3PR01MB2060.
> ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Lucasz: Let me remind you that this is a list for discussing issues in
> > mathematics and related fields with respect to blind people. To suggest
> that
> > the experiences of sighted people should direct a young blind person
> wanting
> > to get into a STEM discipline is flawed unless it addresses the myriad
> > access challenges that we face.
> >
> > As it happens, I am not a mathematician. I accept that an academic
> > mathematician who lacks skill in document preparation using LaTeX is
> often
> > the victim of derision, but mathematical content is not just found in
> > documents written by mathematicians. All of my colleagues are skilled in
> > writing documents using MS Word; most are similarly competent in LaTeX,
> and
> > a small number know they can use markdown, while many others are just
> > unaware they could do so if the need arose. As a statistician, I work
> with
> > mathematicians (Fullard et al. 2018), ecologists (Minards et al. 2014;
> > Bulgarella et al. 2015; Fitness et al. 2015), agriculturalists (Giltrap
> and
> > Godfrey 2016), medical doctors (Prisk et al. 2016) and even some other
> > statisticians (Premarathna et al. 2016;2017). Only the first and last of
> > these collaborations was LaTeX based, while the others were MS Word. In
> all
> > the meetings I have ever had for these collaborations, the primary tool
> for
> > note-taking for the sighted people was pen and paper. I am strange in
> these
> > sighted contexts for my use of a laptop.
> >
> > All my notes for these collaborations are written in text files with
> content
> > easily transferred into the primary author's preferred tool as required.
> I
> > am able to create content for myself and then for sharing without
> inflicting
> > my collaborators with the access issues their preferred tools create for
> me.
> > As it happens, MS Word is the last software tool I would use for writing
> up
> > notes. My advice is not saying that what I do is universally best for
> > everyone on this list.
> >
> > I write from personal experience of a blind person using all the tools
> that
> > get mentioned on this list and others. It is in my best interests as a
> blind
> > person wanting to stay at the top of my game to do so. I have worked with
> > numerous blind students over the years who want solutions that are within
> > their grasp, not false hopes. I often find myself saying that this is the
> > best we can do now, but work in certain areas shows promise. So while I
> > might use command line tools all the time, I seldom advise their use by
> > young people struggling with the tools they already have because my
> > experience shows that most of them do not have any command-line
> experience,
> > and nor do the support people around them. I'd like that to change.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jonathan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Lukasz
> Grabowski
> > via BlindMath
> > Sent: Friday, 4 May 2018 9:48 a.m.
> > To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> > Cc: Lukasz Grabowski <graboluk at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Typing Math and Science Quickly and
> Understandably
> >
> > Jonathan,
> >
> > Your statement about comparable efficiency is, in my humble opinion of a
> > professional pure mathematicians with many years of experience at
> lecturing,
> > research, taking notes, etc., completely false. While we will not settle
> it
> > here directly, a strong indirect argument is that if they were of
> comparable
> > efficiency then more professional mathematicians would use it for
> preparing
> > lecture notes, articles, etc. As I'm sure you know, the amount of
> > professional pure mathematicians using word is absolutely negligible (to
> the
> > extent that people who use it are subjects of anecdotes passed around
> during
> > conference dinners, etc.).
> >
> > As for specifically taking notes in pure maths lectures, I have
> absolutely
> > never seen anyone who'd use word for this purpose, only either latex or
> > markdown.
> >
> > (There are also of course other issues, of interoperability and so on,
> which
> > are also important, and if one consider these, then obviously using word
> for
> > anything at all is, for lack of a better word,
> > irresponsible)
> >
> > Best,
> > Lukasz
> >
> > P.S. As for usage of \ in markdown, I can't agree with you: the example
> of
> > Brandon was a transcription, and it was mildly important to distinguish
> > between newlines and paragraphs. But even in markdown for say taking
> notes,
> > if you want to produce material which works both for you and for sighted
> > users then the cleanest way to write say multiline equation is with
> explicit
> > \
> >
> > On Thu, 3 May 2018 21:18:36 +0000
> > "Godfrey, Jonathan via BlindMath" <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I quite obviously disagree with Lucasz's statement that markdown is
> >> more efficient than MS Word for note-taking.
> >>
> >> They can be totally equivalent in that the content of the markdown
> >> document can be copy and pasted into a MS Word document and converted
> >> to quite readable content as quickly inside Word.
> >>
> >> In fact, I can see how a good MS Word user who knows the necessary
> >> keystrokes could get to the same endpoint in about the same time.
> >>
> >> Different solutions will work better for different people. I think
> >> that outright statements are risky at best and are often leading
> >> people astray.
> >>
> >> Jonathan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Lukasz
> >> Grabowski via BlindMath Sent: Friday, 4 May 2018 9:00 a.m.
> >> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> >> Cc: Lukasz Grabowski <graboluk at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Typing Math and Science Quickly and
> >> Understandably
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> Yes I can confirm it is fundamentally incorrect, to say the least
> >> ("not even wrong", as the saying goes). In order to understand that it
> >> is so, you would have to compare both methods at, say, taking notes
> >> for an advanced university-level mathematics course, in which case you
> >> would realize that the efficiency of using markdown with latex is
> >> orders of magnitude higher than using word with mathtype.
> >>
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Lukasz
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, 4 May 2018 01:35:01 +0530
> >> Bhavya shah via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi Brandon,
> >> >
> >> > In essence, this method is very similar to how I used to use LaTeX
> >> > of MathType to generate Math ML content that was visually readible
> >> > and screen reader firnedly with the help of NVDA and Math Player.
> >> > However, my only two concerns are that using LaTeX or any other
> >> > standardized Math code to type would almost invariably mean (1)
> >> > slightly longer and stricter syntax that would need to be
> >> > mandatorily followed, and (2) there are several reasons, some of
> >> > which include lack of customization in pronunciation and excessive
> >> > pausing, why I found reading Math ML with the help of Math Player
> >> > and NVDA somewhat cumbersome in my past experiences. If I come to
> >> > think of it, it is quite certain that at some point in time, either
> >> > for typing my own Math&Science or for reading my transcribed course
> >> > material, I will need to deal with Math ML using Math Player and
> >> > NVDA, so in a day at most, I will be retrying Math ML and sharing
> >> > some of the more significant concerns and issues I have with
> >> > interacting with Math ML.
> >> >
> >> > Kindly let me know if my present understanding of the method you
> >> > described that this is just Pandoc instead of MathType and
> >> > commandline instead of Word for using LaTeX to generate Math ML
> >> > content is fundamentally incorrect.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks.
> >> >
> >> > On 5/3/18, Brandon Keith Biggs via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > > Hello,
> >> > > Markdown with LaTeX is perfect for you. Here is an example that
> >> > > Lukasz (from this list wrote):
> >> > >
> >> > > ## Parametric Forms
> >> > >
> >> > > *transcriber: system of two equations, each one has an extra
> >> > > information after comma* \ $x = t^2 -2t$, $dx = 2t-2$ \ $y= t+1$,
> >> > > minimum at $t=1$ \
> >> > > *transcriber: end of the system*
> >> > >
> >> > > For window:
> >> > > \
> >> > > $t$ from $[-2,4]$, $t$ step $= 0.1$ \ $x$ from $[-1,10]$ \ $y$
> >> > > from $[-1,5]$
> >> > >
> >> > > # something easier
> >> > >
> >> > > $3x + y = 10$
> >> > > \
> >> > > $9 * 5 = 45$
> >> > > \
> >> > > Fractions
> >> > > \
> >> > > $\frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{2} = 1$
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > This converts perfectly to MathML using pandoc:
> >> > > https://pandoc.org/
> >> > >
> >> > > You install pandoc, open a command line where you have the math
> >> > > content and type:
> >> > >
> >> > > pandoc my_math_file.md --mathml -s -o my_html_output_file.html
> >> > >
> >> > > You can give your professor the html file and they can read it in
> >> > > print just fine. If you have a Braille display, the MathML shows
> >> > > up just fine and it is also read by the screen reader. NVDA
> >> > > requires Math player (see the user guide under reading math
> >> > > content for more info). Thanks,
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>
> >> > >
> >> > > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Sean Tikkun via BlindMath <
> >> > > blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Bhavya Shah,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I am assembling a team to generate 3D models to assist in
> >> > >> learning. The team leaders are a former math teacher fluent in
> >> > >> Braille (me) and a Fabrication lab director that teaches
> >> > >> Biological and Chemical Sciences at the University level. If you
> >> > >> have access to 3D printing I would love to know what you may
> >> > >> need. Files are easy to send. If not, perhaps there is a
> >> > >> fabrication lab at a university in Mumbai that would be
> >> > >> interested in some collaboration? Feel free to reach out.
> >> > >> stikkun at nccu.edu.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Sean Tikkun
> >> > >> Apple Distinguished Educator
> >> > >> class of 2007
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On May 01, 2018, at 08:51 PM, Sabra Ewing via BlindMath <
> >> > >> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I typed most of my math using the first method. You might be able
> >> > >> to type more quickly if you had a braille keyboard. Also note
> >> > >> that you can use parentheses and brackets. The Pearce in equation
> >> > >> editor can produce math in a visual format. It is free.
> >> > >> The braille note touch can do this as well although it is very
> >> > >> expensive. I would definitely say to use a keyboard. Do not type
> >> > >> on your phone as I am doing now because it is much slower.
> >> > >> Another
> >> > >> thing you can do is use copy and paste. You do not have to type
> >> > >> everything from scratch. You can copy previous steps to your
> >> > >> clipboard, paste them, and then modify them to create your future
> >> > >> steps. Like for example, you might write a chemical equation that
> >> > >> is not balanced. Paste this equation underneath it so you have
> >> > >> two copies of the same equation. Then, take the first step toward
> >> > >> balancing that equation and make those changes to your second
> >> > >> copy. Now you have your equation and underneath it, you have the
> >> > >> modified version with step one completed, so copied the version
> >> > >> with step one completed to your clipboard and paste it
> >> > >> underneath. Now you have the original equation, and you have two
> >> > >> copies of step one. Modified the second copy of step one based on
> >> > >> what you plan to do in step two. Continue this method until you
> >> > >> have finished the problem. With a braille keyboard, you should be
> >> > >> able to type as fast as someone can speak and even faster. If you
> >> > >> cannot or a braille keyboard is not an option, you can record
> >> > >> what is being said with a phone or other recording device and you
> >> > >> can then go back over it. Another thing you can do is request
> >> > >> things in electronic format. Mini American professors do not know
> >> > >> how to create accessible math when it is really very easy as you
> >> > >> described. You do not have to know any markup languages. You can
> >> > >> create accessible math just by using your computer keyboard, and
> >> > >> in many cases, if you are a computer science student, your math
> >> > >> is in the perfect format to just paste right over into your ide.
> >> > >> Maybe Indian professors would be better at creating accessible.
> >> > >> If not, you might be able to find someone who can do it. This
> >> > >> will be especially easy if you can find some funding. I was not
> >> > >> lucky in this regard because other than professors, I never found
> >> > >> a dedicated person who knew how to produce accessible math. I
> >> > >> finally got to a position where I could no longer receive
> >> > >> accessible math because I moved on to a four-year university
> >> > >> where the professors did not know how to produce it. It is very
> >> > >> ironic that when I started out at a two year university, the
> >> > >> professors did know how to produce it. I approach programmers,
> >> > >> professors, deans, and department head. No one actually knew how
> >> > >> including the programmers who produce accessible math every day.
> >> > >> I finally had to end up listening to my math on recordings and
> >> > >> writing everything down. It was very difficult. If you want to
> >> > >> get math in braille, there is software that can do it called
> >> > >> Duxberry.
> >> > >> Ironically, my university actually had this software, but no one
> >> > >> knew how to use it including the people who worked at disability
> >> > >> services. Getting it for yourself will not be helpful. If you get
> >> > >> this software, you will need someone who can modify the equations
> >> > >> for you. If your professor has files that were generated from a
> >> > >> markup language, you could try asking for those source files.
> >> > >> Even if you do not know the markup language, math is written very
> >> > >> similarly when you are programming computers, so you could
> >> > >> probably pick up how to read it. Unfortunately, my professors
> >> > >> used PDFs that they got from other sources or pictures of hand
> >> > >> written documents so I could not do this.
> >> > >> People will try to tell you that Matt cannot be produced
> >> > >> excessively on the computer. This simply is not true. Every
> >> > >> mathematical formula, function, and number known to humankind can
> >> > >> be programmed into a computer using a text based programming
> >> > >> language. Also, many of these functions and formulas can be put
> >> > >> into XL. If you can put these formulas into XL, then you can
> >> > >> produce them accessibly in a word document. If someone is trying
> >> > >> to tell you that they can't, then just tell them to put it in a
> >> > >> spreadsheet, press F2 on the cells, and read the formulas that
> >> > >> way. XL is very good because you can use it to organize data, you
> >> > >> can use it as a calculator, and you can use it to create tables
> >> > >> and graphs. You can put these documents in your dropbox and you
> >> > >> can get the pictures of the graphs. You can then import these
> >> > >> pictures into the voice app on your phone and you can listen to
> >> > >> them. If you are going to listen to pie charts, to make it easier
> >> > >> on yourself to read, use the 3-D exploding pie charts. This may
> >> > >> sound counterintuitive, but when you listen to them, there is a
> >> > >> bit more separation between each piece. I don't know how you
> >> > >> would get training to listen to grass. I just automatically was
> >> > >> born knowing how to do it. No one ever taught me. I could always
> >> > >> listen to graphs very easily and I could never read tactile
> >> > >> graphics. There is also a program called math tracks where you
> >> > >> can create audio graphs by entering in equations.However, it is
> >> > >> really best to have both the equation and the data because what
> >> > >> if you created a graph using any equation, and you need to make
> >> > >> some changes to the data? Well, you don't have the data, so what
> >> > >> are you going to do? You could probably generate the data from
> >> > >> the equation in some cases, but that will take forever. I like to
> >> > >> listen to a graph and have the spreadsheet in front of me at the
> >> > >> same time. There is also a blind chemist named Dr. sapalo. I'm
> >> > >> not sure how to spell his name. I have his card somewhere but I
> >> > >> just have to find it. I really wish people would start using
> >> > >> those barcode Cards where I can scan the contact information into
> >> > >> my phone, but I only know one person who uses those. Anyways, You
> >> > >> may want to get in touch with him. He has all of these probes.
> >> > >> They do all different things. They connect to a computer and they
> >> > >> can measure chemical reactions and make graphs and do all this
> >> > >> stuff depending on what probe you use. For example, you could use
> >> > >> one probe to graph the color changes that occur during an
> >> > >> experiment. You could use another probe to track temperature
> >> > >> changes like ice melting. I don't really do chemistry, but if I
> >> > >> did, I imagine I would want this thing, but I can't remember what
> >> > >> it is called.
> >> > >> But he is actually a chemistry professor at a university. He is
> >> > >> totally blind and he teaches classes and runs labs and does all
> >> > >> sorts of things. There are plenty of blind computer scientists,
> >> > >> but he struck my interest in particular because I have not heard
> >> > >> of mini blind chemists. He also had some good advice for 3-D
> >> > >> printing that would work in the United States, but I am not sure
> >> > >> if it would work in India. If possible though, you may want to
> >> > >> get some 3-D models printed. Another thing is that you want to
> >> > >> stay consistent. You want to make sure that you are doing things
> >> > >> in the classroom the same way you will do them during testing.
> >> > >> In my chemistry class, I did not have access to a lot of 3-D
> >> > >> models, but for testing purposes, they made me a 3-D model. This
> >> > >> really was not fair because it was made out of a lot of cups and
> >> > >> straws. I did not know what it was, and it is not fair to use
> >> > >> models for testing purposes that you did not use in the classroom
> >> > >> or to use a different method for testing purposes that you did
> >> > >> not use in the classroom because this will skew the results. If
> >> > >> you use certain accommodations in the classroom, insist on the
> >> > >> same accommodations for testing.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Sabra Ewing
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On May 1, 2018, at 5:22 PM, Bhavya shah via BlindMath <
> >> > >> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Dear all,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I am Bhavya Shah, a totally blind 16-year-old student from
> >> > >> Mumbai, India. Having just completed my tenth grade with the same
> >> > >> Mathematics and Science syllabus as my sighted peers in a
> >> > >> mainstream school, I intend to take up the Science stream
> >> > >> according to the Indian education system for Classes 11 and 12
> >> > >> with the subject combination of Physics+Chemistry+Mathematics,
> >> > >> and probably take up something along the lines of Computer
> >> > >> Science for my undergraduate studies after that (although I
> >> > >> shouldn?t overly worry about about finalizing that for now, I
> >> > >> suppose). Additionally, I shall be enrolling into coaching for a
> >> > >> very competitive pan-India engineering entrance examination over
> >> > >> the next two years where I will be delving into particularly
> >> > >> advanced topics in to the three afore-mentioned subjects.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Till Class 10, I managed an overwhelming chunk of Math either
> >> > >> orally or mentally, and from what I have been informed, have
> >> > >> dealt with relatively very simple organic structures, general
> >> > >> numericals and chemical equations which I have been handling
> >> > >> mostly via plain text. It has become increasingly clear to me
> >> > >> that this makeshift method will be extremely inefficient and
> >> > >> consequently infeasible for the kind of syllabus I am
> >> > >> transitioning to. Hence, I am looking for different techniques,
> >> > >> tools or methods of typing Math and Science that will allow me to
> >> > >> be as rapid a Math&Science typist as I am of the English language
> >> > >> (at its peak, my fingers have achieved about 100 WPM) so that I
> >> > >> can cope with the daily rigor this coaching demands. I need to be
> >> > >> able to type mathematical and scientific content accurately and
> >> > >> swiftly not necessarily such that it is visually readable by a
> >> > >> sighted professor but more so for my own reference, understanding
> >> > >> and purposes of review and revision.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> So far, I am versed only with two options ? ASCII Math, where I
> >> > >> would just type Math and Science using standard symbols present
> >> > >> on any keyboard such as /, *, ^ and so on to denote different
> >> > >> things (perhaps (x+2)/x-1)) in chiefly plain text, or type things
> >> > >> in LaTeX using MathType ($\frac{x+2}{x-1}$) and employ Math
> >> > >> Player and NVDA to read it. From my basic understanding of this
> >> > >> and limited past experience with each of these methods, the
> >> > >> former sounds much faster and more efficient to me, but I am open
> >> > >> to evidence and experiences suggesting otherwise. There are
> >> > >> various other Math typing tools I have heard about over the years
> >> > >> such as Infty Reader and Lean Math, but have never adequately
> >> > >> researched them let alone used them to any extent.
> >> > >> Any information or instructional material on these and other
> >> > >> potential alternatives you would recommend would be of great help
> >> > >> too.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I would truly appreciate any assistance on different strategies
> >> > >> you may have used to math your sighted counterparts? speed in
> >> > >> terms of writing and solving mathematical and scientific
> >> > >> material, questions and problem sets.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Thanks.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> --
> >> > >> Best Regards
> >> > >> Bhavya Shah
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons:
> >> > >> https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Contacting Me
> >> > >> E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125 at gmail.com
> >> > >> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/
> >> > >> Twitter: @BhavyaShah125
> >> > >> Skype: bhavya.09
> >> > >>
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