[BlindMath] Reading Nemeth on a macOS?

White, Jason J jjwhite at ets.org
Mon May 21 20:49:34 UTC 2018


Try a cursor routing button on the display itself.

From: Joseph Polizzotto <jpolizzotto at htctu.net>
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 10:32 AM
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Subject: RE: [BlindMath] Reading Nemeth on a macOS?

Thanks for your reply Derek.

When you say “click a cursor key”, to which key are you referring?

(I have attempted to use the sample files with VO in a number ways, including using VO + ↓, to interact with an item, VO + Shift + F3, to turn on/off cursor tracking etc.)

Perhaps I am missing something,


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From: Derek Scott Riemer [mailto:Derek.Riemer at colorado.edu]
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Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Reading Nemeth on a macOS?

Click a cursor key. Does it clear the spoken feedback and show nemeth? I think I remember IOS and MACKOS doing this (Flashing the spoken feedback, and making you clear it).

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 6:31 PM, Joseph Polizzotto via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
Thank you Jason.



Your experience is exactly what I have encountered as well. I thought that it might have been the display I was using (Baum Vario 340), but I am now wondering about overall macOS support for Nemeth translation.



I will reach out to someone at Apple about this and get back if I hear anything.



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From: White, Jason J [mailto:jjwhite at ets.org<mailto:jjwhite at ets.org>]
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 5:22 PM
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Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Reading Nemeth on a macOS?



When I test one of your examples in Safari with VoiceOver, the braille display shows a mixture of words and symbols that correspond to the spoken representation of the expression. It does not show Nemeth code.



When I last tested it, however, Safari under iOS produced correct Nemeth code from MathML examples. For some reason, Apple’s Mac OS version of VoiceOver isn’t applying Nemeth code translation to content written in MathML.



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Date: Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 19:15
To: Joseph Polizzotto <jpolizzotto at htctu.net<mailto:jpolizzotto at htctu.net> <mailto:jpolizzotto at htctu.net<mailto:jpolizzotto at htctu.net>> >, Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org> <mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>> >
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Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Reading Nemeth on a macOS?



I forgot to attach the documents that I have been using to test. They are the following:

1) HTML + MathML
2) HTML + MathML + MathJax

I have tried both of these documents in the latest version of Safari (11.1).

Thank you,

Joseph



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> I am wondering if anyone on this list can share their experience using a
> braille display + VoiceOver for macOS to read math in Nemeth code. What
> display do you have and what setup/ configuration did you follow?
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> (I have not had any luck with our Baum Vario 340. I am running the latest
> version of macOS- High Sierra 10.13.4)
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> Thanks for your help,
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