[BlindMath] Accessible Calculator setup
Mary Woodyard
marywoodyard at comcast.net
Wed Nov 28 12:39:15 UTC 2018
I am speaking as a parent of a student who used the calculator out of the
box so I will give you my observations. First of all, have your education
team watch the videos on this link from the Texas Commission for the Blind
so they can get a sense for the calculator. I don't know if the videos are
audio described -but I do remember watching them when my son got his first
TI 84 in 2014.
https://www.tsbvi.edu/videos-webinars/ti-84-graphing-calculator The videos
will probably answer some of their questions. Second, my son found it much
easier to use the TI 84 with his class than the other calculators that he
had used because everyone was using the TI 84 and the great thing about it
is that you use the same keystrokes everyone else will use. I'm not sure
how this will work for you if everyone else is using a TI 83. Does anyone
reading this know if the keystrokes are the same for both calculators?
The biggest problem he had at the time he first used it was a charging issue
as his para at his high school lost the cable that came with it and the
first calculators were very ticky about what cables worked or not. We were
able to get help from tech support and it resolved. There were a few other
issues also but by the next time he needed the calculator in college in 2015
they were resolved. This calculator is nice because it can be
electronically updated so it continually improves. All in all, he had no
problems using it. The only problem I had as a sighted assistant setting it
up is his original calculator was because I am sighted I was expecting it to
have a light indicating when it was fully charged and that puzzled me.
After calling tech support, I learned that the charging indication is done
tactually or auditorially (I don't remember) so a blind person can do it
independently which makes total sense - but confused me as a sighted
assistant. If your support team tries, they will have no problem. If they
do, then tech support can help them. However, if the 83 and 84 use
different keystrokes, you may have a problem. I kind of remember them being
the same - but I am definitely not an expert and one of the experts can
answer that. Tell your support team that if a mom of a high school kid can
do it - they can do it. The videos should help.
Mary
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1. Accessible Calculators: (Kendra Schaber)
2. Re: Accessible Calculators: (Bill Dengler)
3. Re: Accessible Calculators: (Santiago Velasquez)
4. Re: Accessible Calculators: (kperry at blinksoft.com)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 12:59:36 -0800
From: Kendra Schaber <redwing731 at gmail.com>
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Subject: [BlindMath] Accessible Calculators:
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Hi all! I?m required to use an IT83 in my math class in January. I was also
recamended to work with the APH TI84 because it has the added talking peace
added onto it. Unfortunently, when I talked with my education team just
before lunch, the APH Ti84 got some sceptisism and my technology teacher
also didn?t get enough good reviews regarding this calculator. Has anyone
used it in math class? If so, what are your experiences with the APH TI84
graphic calculator with the talking peace added to it? How did it work for
you? Were you able to use it independently and without problems? If not,
what are the problems? How did you get around those problems? Are there
areas where you have to have sited help with this calculator? Can you use it
out of the box? Did a sited person have to set it up for you? Even more
importantly, are you able to use the whole calculator without sited help?
The more I know about this calculator, the marrier!!! I need to educate my
education team myself on this matter.
Thank you for taking the time to read this E Mail!
Blessed be!!!
Kendra Schaber,
Chemeketa Community College,
350 Org,
Citizen?s Climate Lobby,
National Federation of the Blind of Oregon,
Capitol Chapter,
Salem, Oregon.
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Redwing731 at gmail.com
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Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 02:36:44 +0000
From: Bill Dengler <codeofdusk at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Accessible Calculators:
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What sort of math class is it? That is to say, what topics will be covered,
and what will the calculator be used for?
I have an APH TI84. There are occasional glitches, and mathPrint mode isn?t
accessible, but otherwise it works fine for my needs.
There?s also http://desmos.com <http://desmos.com/> which has an accessible
mode.
Bill
> On 27 Nov 2018, at 20:59, Kendra Schaber via BlindMath
<blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>
> Hi all! I?m required to use an IT83 in my math class in January. I was
also recamended to work with the APH TI84 because it has the added talking
peace added onto it. Unfortunently, when I talked with my education team
just before lunch, the APH Ti84 got some sceptisism and my technology
teacher also didn?t get enough good reviews regarding this calculator. Has
anyone used it in math class? If so, what are your experiences with the APH
TI84 graphic calculator with the talking peace added to it? How did it work
for you? Were you able to use it independently and without problems? If not,
what are the problems? How did you get around those problems? Are there
areas where you have to have sited help with this calculator? Can you use it
out of the box? Did a sited person have to set it up for you? Even more
importantly, are you able to use the whole calculator without sited help?
The more I know about this calculator, the marrier!!! I need to educate my
education team myself on this matter.
>
>
> Thank you for taking the time to read this E Mail!
> Blessed be!!!
> Kendra Schaber,
> Chemeketa Community College,
> 350 Org,
> Citizen?s Climate Lobby,
> National Federation of the Blind of Oregon,
> Capitol Chapter,
> Salem, Oregon.
> Home email:
> Redwing731 at gmail.com
> Chemeketa Community College Email:
> Kschaber at my.Chemeketa.edu
> Phone:
> 971-599-9991
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Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 14:56:37 +1000
From: Santiago Velasquez <zanty410 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Accessible Calculators:
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Hi Kendra,
Have you considered looking at software calculators instead. Something like
MatLab.
In the long term they will provide more flexibility, and from experience
they are more accessible. I personally use MatLab for my engineering degree,
and I just cannot justify the handheld calculators.
regards
Santi
> On 28 Nov 2018, at 6:59 am, Kendra Schaber via BlindMath
<blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>
> Hi all! I?m required to use an IT83 in my math class in January. I was
also recamended to work with the APH TI84 because it has the added talking
peace added onto it. Unfortunently, when I talked with my education team
just before lunch, the APH Ti84 got some sceptisism and my technology
teacher also didn?t get enough good reviews regarding this calculator. Has
anyone used it in math class? If so, what are your experiences with the APH
TI84 graphic calculator with the talking peace added to it? How did it work
for you? Were you able to use it independently and without problems? If not,
what are the problems? How did you get around those problems? Are there
areas where you have to have sited help with this calculator? Can you use it
out of the box? Did a sited person have to set it up for you? Even more
importantly, are you able to use the whole calculator without sited help?
The more I know about this calculator, the marrier!!! I need to educate my
education team myself on this matter.
>
>
> Thank you for taking the time to read this E Mail!
> Blessed be!!!
> Kendra Schaber,
> Chemeketa Community College,
> 350 Org,
> Citizen?s Climate Lobby,
> National Federation of the Blind of Oregon,
> Capitol Chapter,
> Salem, Oregon.
> Home email:
> Redwing731 at gmail.com
> Chemeketa Community College Email:
> Kschaber at my.Chemeketa.edu
> Phone:
> 971-599-9991
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Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 06:42:05 -0500
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Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Accessible Calculators:
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The major problem with the software calculators is they are not allowed on
standardized tests in schools. The second problem is you spend a lot of
time learning the tool such as matlab etc and not doing your course work.
You probably should learn more powerful tools if you're going to continue on
with math but if your just doing math as a means to get a degree and you're
not interested in sticking with math learning something like matlab is
overkill. The Orion TI-84 is designed using the TI-84 because still to this
day most math books are using it as the examples. Most math classes across
the USA are using it as the base tool. This means a blind student doesn't
need to do anything different. As Bill said the only difference is the
MathPrint mode is not yet supported on the Orion TI-84. That is just a
graphical system to do problems as they are printed on paper. The
calculator loses no functionality with out that mode so you can do
everything your counter parts in class are doing and the instructor in most
cases does not have to even change the way instruction is done. You can
get up and running with the Orion TI-84 in no time. I would say the only
weird thing about the Orion TI-84 is you have to charge the top part and put
batteries in the bottom part. That confuses some people because if the
calculator stops talking they sometimes don't understand they have to keep
the top part charge to keep it talking while the batteries in the bottom
part keep the TI-84 going. With that said the Orion TI-84 is not hard to
learn when you are in a class that is using it. It is not hard to learn
if you are using it on your own for that matter. It is just easier to learn
when your in a class where everyone else is using the same tools.
Ken
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Cc: Santiago Velasquez <zanty410 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Accessible Calculators:
Hi Kendra,
Have you considered looking at software calculators instead. Something like
MatLab.
In the long term they will provide more flexibility, and from experience
they are more accessible. I personally use MatLab for my engineering degree,
and I just cannot justify the handheld calculators.
regards
Santi
> On 28 Nov 2018, at 6:59 am, Kendra Schaber via BlindMath
<blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>
> Hi all! I?m required to use an IT83 in my math class in January. I was
also recamended to work with the APH TI84 because it has the added talking
peace added onto it. Unfortunently, when I talked with my education team
just before lunch, the APH Ti84 got some sceptisism and my technology
teacher also didn?t get enough good reviews regarding this calculator. Has
anyone used it in math class? If so, what are your experiences with the APH
TI84 graphic calculator with the talking peace added to it? How did it work
for you? Were you able to use it independently and without problems? If not,
what are the problems? How did you get around those problems? Are there
areas where you have to have sited help with this calculator? Can you use it
out of the box? Did a sited person have to set it up for you? Even more
importantly, are you able to use the whole calculator without sited help?
The more I know about this calculator, the marrier!!! I need to educate my
education team myself on this matter.
>
>
> Thank you for taking the time to read this E Mail!
> Blessed be!!!
> Kendra Schaber,
> Chemeketa Community College,
> 350 Org,
> Citizen?s Climate Lobby,
> National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter, Salem,
> Oregon.
> Home email:
> Redwing731 at gmail.com
> Chemeketa Community College Email:
> Kschaber at my.Chemeketa.edu
> Phone:
> 971-599-9991
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Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 06:45:10 -0500
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Bill if you are having glitches can you please report them? We do continue
to develop that calculator and if people do not report glitches we can not
fix them. We are about to put out a new firmware release that adds support
for the tactile graphics display orbit has created called the Graphiti. It
is not yet out but the update will also fix a few minor bugs. If we don't
know about glitches though we cannot fix them.
Ken
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Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Accessible Calculators:
What sort of math class is it? That is to say, what topics will be covered,
and what will the calculator be used for?
I have an APH TI84. There are occasional glitches, and mathPrint mode isn?t
accessible, but otherwise it works fine for my needs.
There?s also http://desmos.com <http://desmos.com/> which has an accessible
mode.
Bill
> On 27 Nov 2018, at 20:59, Kendra Schaber via BlindMath
<blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>
> Hi all! I?m required to use an IT83 in my math class in January. I was
also recamended to work with the APH TI84 because it has the added talking
peace added onto it. Unfortunently, when I talked with my education team
just before lunch, the APH Ti84 got some sceptisism and my technology
teacher also didn?t get enough good reviews regarding this calculator. Has
anyone used it in math class? If so, what are your experiences with the APH
TI84 graphic calculator with the talking peace added to it? How did it work
for you? Were you able to use it independently and without problems? If not,
what are the problems? How did you get around those problems? Are there
areas where you have to have sited help with this calculator? Can you use it
out of the box? Did a sited person have to set it up for you? Even more
importantly, are you able to use the whole calculator without sited help?
The more I know about this calculator, the marrier!!! I need to educate my
education team myself on this matter.
>
>
> Thank you for taking the time to read this E Mail!
> Blessed be!!!
> Kendra Schaber,
> Chemeketa Community College,
> 350 Org,
> Citizen?s Climate Lobby,
> National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter, Salem,
> Oregon.
> Home email:
> Redwing731 at gmail.com
> Chemeketa Community College Email:
> Kschaber at my.Chemeketa.edu
> Phone:
> 971-599-9991
> "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear" Author Unknown.
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