[BlindMath] Voice activated screen reader graphic calculators?

Fri Feb 1 19:59:47 UTC 2019

Hi all! 
 I figured that regarding where the maximum and minamum are located. I don’t want to ban it from tests. The problem with this feature is that when a blind user goes in to do this tasks, the speed that it allows one to do this is way slower than it is for the sited. Mind you, I’m not saying that a blind person isn’t slower than a sited person using this device. But if you do the math, it slows us down expeonentially, rather than one or two times. Ok, one or two times slower is expected. But think about it this way. Would you be able to do your homework if it took you six hours to get through a section of homework on your math or would you rather be able to get the job done in only an hour or even two hours for that matter? The prosess is way to slow even when you speed the voice up to its fastest speed possible. When I was with my teacher the other day, even he raised this concern and mind you, this teacher is sited, teaches mainstreme higher math, gives out tests and all and honestly, if he’s complaining about its speed, then there’s a lajitiment complaint here. If you ask me, part of accessability means minamising as much of the clunk as you can get away with without breaking the mainstreme rules. This task is a bit too clunky for the blind user past the part that everyone, blind or sited does. They need to minamise that clunk part. That’s where I have spotted the problem. I hope you see my angle on this one. 

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> On Feb 1, 2019, at 10:15, <kperry at blinksoft.com> <kperry at blinksoft.com> wrote:
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> I think something you don’t understand is the TI-84 method of finding minimum and maximum is the exact same way a sighted person has to do it.  The calculator will not give you the answer with out picking two guesses one on each side.  If it just gave you the max and min the calculator would not be allowed on some of the tests it is now.  The NSpire will do it and that is why it is not allowed on some of the tests the 84 is.   Again I will ask have you used the tutorials from Susan on doing Min and max?  It shows exactly how to do it with keys and an example.   
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> Ken
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> From: Kendra Schaber <redwing731 at gmail.com> 
> Sent: Friday, February 1, 2019 10:32 AM
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> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Voice activated screen reader graphic calculators?
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> Hi all! 
>  I wouldn’t want to use dictation for every single math problem out there, partly because I know what the battle is like, particularly when dictating something like a text message or am Email. I can’t count how many times when I would watch a friend try to dictate an Email or a text only for them to take five or ten tries before the software would get their message right. I have had more luck with typing in my commands to SIRI instead of dictating them. The only time I dictate with SIRI is when I have her make a phone call or get a word spelled. I would mainly use dictation when I needed to speed up a homework problem like finding the minamum or maximum on a graph for example because I have not found a very efficent way to find that information on the TI84 graphing calculator. Speaking of the TI84, my apponyon on them so far is that they are good but a bit too complicated for my innitial enjoyment. But they are not as simular to the normal ones as everyone wants you to believe. For example, every time I have gone and worked with a sited person to work my own TI84, yes, they’ve been able to work my TI84 just fine but almost every single time, accessability has come up and none of them have been able to figure that part out. Even my math teacher and I agreed that the way the TI84 allows you to find the minamum and maximum on a graph for example is very inefficient. I’m looking for tools out there that would or could work along side the calculator to cover the slow gaps. I have heard of those calculator software programs out there. Does anyone know if any of them, particularly the free ones can do things like finding maximum and minamum better than the TI84 can? The only one I know of that can is the one that View Plus offers. Is that the only one or are there others that are just as good? I usually take my laptop computer to school because I use it for my writing class anyway. I don’t mind giving it another excuse to help me in my school work. I have Windows ten, NVDA, and JAWS 2018 installed on it. I don’t currently have Math Tipe on it. Does that limit me with these accesible graphing calculator software? 
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> Thank you for taking the time to read this Email!
> Blessed be!!!
> Kendra Schaber
> Chemeketa Community College,
> 350 Org,
> Citizen’s Climate Lobby,
> National Federation of the Blind of Oregon,
> Capitol Chapter,
> Salem, Oregon.
> Home Email:
> Redwing731 at gmail.com
> Chemeketa Community College Email:
> Kschaber at my.Chemeketa.edu
> Phone:
> 971-599-9991
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> From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> on behalf of Ken Perry via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
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> This will make doing work in a group very difficult. People always think voice is the future for blind people till they sit down and try to use it. Just think of how fun it is to fight with the best voice activated devices, Alexa, Siri, and Google. Now add the problem of math. I say good luck but I wouldn't do it. At least not with the current power of voice activation.
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> Ken
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> Subject: [BlindMath] Voice activated screen reader graphic calculators?
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> Hi all! 
> Today, at the end of math class, my math teacher came up with a good idea. He recamended that I should hunt for a nice graphic calculator that can be activated by voice commands, much like SIRI is opperated. He suggested that I get my hands on one called I think it’s called Pentel or something like it. I have not used this calculator for an iphone. I don’t know if it’s screen reader accessible. Does anyone know of a graphic calculator that can be opperated by voice, that’s software on a computer or smart phone and is screen reader accessible? I think that it might help me out in addition to the TI84 graphic calculator. 
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> Thank you for taking the time to read this E Mail! 
> Blessed be!!! 
> Kendra Schaber,
> Chemeketa Community College,
> 350 Org, 
> Citizen’s Climate Lobby, 
> National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter, Salem, Oregon. 
> Home email: 
> Redwing731 at gmail.com
> Chemeketa Community College Email: 
> Kschaber at my.Chemeketa.edu
> Phone: 
> 971-599-9991
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