[BlindMath] Voice activated screen reader graphic calculators?

Sat Feb 2 02:46:07 UTC 2019

It's true that in some cases they would want you to show your work, but with a voice activated calculator, you could use a combination of the calculator and of showing your work just like you would with a Calculator where you have to type. Could also use the calculator to check your work. It would be easier because you could be typing and talking to the Calculator at the same time. Like I said, I can already do all sorts of math on my echo device. It is not like dictate where it makes mistakes, and if you use dictate a lot, it learns your voice. I am dictating this message right now. I am not going to make any corrections on it. I'm just going to send it as is. Mostly I don't correct it anyways unless I am writing something important because it is hard to make corrections on my phone. But if you keep with it, and you keep correcting it when it makes mistakes, it works, and I think the echo device is even better than the dictation on my phone.

Sabra Ewing

> On Feb 1, 2019, at 7:35 PM, Steve Jacobson via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> As the moderator, I want to thank Ken for his patience in helping to work
> through this issue.  Please let me add my voice to his and others that
> trying the tutorials that APH offers first makes sense.  Also, and I assumed
> this has not changed completely, there will be other methods taught to
> mathematically find the minimum and maximum points of a graph.  I am
> guessing that the current need for this is a short one.  Also, Ken's point
> that including certain features might invalidate the use of the calculator
> in a test situation.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Steve Jacobson
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Ken Perry via
> BlindMath
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> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Voice activated screen reader graphic calculators?
> 
> I think something you don't understand is the TI-84 method of finding
> minimum and maximum is the exact same way a sighted person has to do it.
> The calculator will not give you the answer with out picking two guesses one
> on each side.  If it just gave you the max and min the calculator would not
> be allowed on some of the tests it is now.  The NSpire will do it and that
> is why it is not allowed on some of the tests the 84 is.   Again I will ask
> have you used the tutorials from Susan on doing Min and max?  It shows
> exactly how to do it with keys and an example.    
> 
> 
> 
> Ken
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> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Voice activated screen reader graphic calculators?
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> 
> 
> Hi all! 
> 
> I wouldn't want to use dictation for every single math problem out there,
> partly because I know what the battle is like, particularly when dictating
> something like a text message or am Email. I can't count how many times when
> I would watch a friend try to dictate an Email or a text only for them to
> take five or ten tries before the software would get their message right. I
> have had more luck with typing in my commands to SIRI instead of dictating
> them. The only time I dictate with SIRI is when I have her make a phone call
> or get a word spelled. I would mainly use dictation when I needed to speed
> up a homework problem like finding the minamum or maximum on a graph for
> example because I have not found a very efficent way to find that
> information on the TI84 graphing calculator. Speaking of the TI84, my
> apponyon on them so far is that they are good but a bit too complicated for
> my innitial enjoyment. But they are not as simular to the normal ones as
> everyone wants you to believe. For example, every time I have gone and
> worked with a sited person to work my own TI84, yes, they've been able to
> work my TI84 just fine but almost every single time, accessability has come
> up and none of them have been able to figure that part out. Even my math
> teacher and I agreed that the way the TI84 allows you to find the minamum
> and maximum on a graph for example is very inefficient. I'm looking for
> tools out there that would or could work along side the calculator to cover
> the slow gaps. I have heard of those calculator software programs out there.
> Does anyone know if any of them, particularly the free ones can do things
> like finding maximum and minamum better than the TI84 can? The only one I
> know of that can is the one that View Plus offers. Is that the only one or
> are there others that are just as good? I usually take my laptop computer to
> school because I use it for my writing class anyway. I don't mind giving it
> another excuse to help me in my school work. I have Windows ten, NVDA, and
> JAWS 2018 installed on it. I don't currently have Math Tipe on it. Does that
> limit me with these accesible graphing calculator software? 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> This will make doing work in a group very difficult. People always think
> voice is the future for blind people till they sit down and try to use it.
> Just think of how fun it is to fight with the best voice activated devices,
> Alexa, Siri, and Google. Now add the problem of math. I say good luck but I
> wouldn't do it. At least not with the current power of voice activation.
> 
> Ken
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> Subject: [BlindMath] Voice activated screen reader graphic calculators?
> 
> Hi all! 
> Today, at the end of math class, my math teacher came up with a good idea.
> He recamended that I should hunt for a nice graphic calculator that can be
> activated by voice commands, much like SIRI is opperated. He suggested that
> I get my hands on one called I think it's called Pentel or something like
> it. I have not used this calculator for an iphone. I don't know if it's
> screen reader accessible. Does anyone know of a graphic calculator that can
> be opperated by voice, that's software on a computer or smart phone and is
> screen reader accessible? I think that it might help me out in addition to
> the TI84 graphic calculator. 
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