[BlindMath] {Spam?} Re: BlindMath Digest, Vol 170, Issue 1
Anderson, Mary Fran
MaryFran.Anderson at wesd.org
Fri Sep 11 18:23:24 UTC 2020
Dear Blindmath,
Thank you for your response to my questions.
I was wondering if there is a list of specific Nemeth code symbols for statistics? If so, can you please share those with me.
Thank you.
Mary Fran Anderson
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2. Re: Math Speak (Bob Mathews)
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4. Re: Math Speak (Godfrey, Jonathan)
5. Re: Math Speak (Elizabeth Mohnke)
6. STEM Mentoring Program (Newton Nguyen)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 19:32:58 +0000
From: "Anderson, Mary Fran" <MaryFran.Anderson at wesd.org>
To: "blindmath at nfbnet.org" <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [BlindMath] Math Speak
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Dear Blindmath,
I am working with a blind student enrolled in statistics. I am trying to help her teacher describe the statistics problems in a way that my student can understand. I have heard of something called math speak, but I haven?t been able to find any information regarding this. Can anyone help with this issue?
Thank you.
Mary Fran Anderson
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 14:56:14 -0500
From: Bob Mathews <bob at wiris.com>
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Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Math Speak
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Hello Mary,
MathSpeak is one of the 3 speech styles of MathPlayer, the free math speech
plugin from Wiris. MathSpeak is described in the MathPlayer User Manual:
https://docs.wiris.com/en/mathplayer/start. If you don't have MathPlayer
yet, there's a download link to MathPlayer 4 in the manual.
It could be you were thinking of ClearSpeak. This was a joint project
between the Educational Testing Service (ETS) and Design Science (now
Wiris), under a US Department of Education Grant. You can find out more
about ClearSpeak from its documentation:
https://docs.wiris.com/en/mathtype/mathtype_desktop/accessibility/clearspeak
.
Regards,
Bob Mathews
Wiris
On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 2:34 PM Anderson, Mary Fran via BlindMath <
blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Dear Blindmath,
>
> I am working with a blind student enrolled in statistics. I am trying to
> help her teacher describe the statistics problems in a way that my student
> can understand. I have heard of something called math speak, but I haven?t
> been able to find any information regarding this. Can anyone help with this
> issue?
> Thank you.
> Mary Fran Anderson
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 13:29:13 -0700
From: Neil Soiffer <soiffer at alum.mit.edu>
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Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Math Speak
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A little more info to add to what Bob said...
MathSpeak was developed by Dr. Nemeth so that he could communicate math
well with his assistants. In its pure form, it has a one-to-one
correspondence with the braille code for math that he developed and is
named after him: Nemeth code. You can find some more details at the
seewritehear
website
<https://www.seewritehear.com/accessible-mathml/mathspeak/examples/NemethBook/>.
Because MathSpeak does not speak math the way it is normally spoken in the
classroom in many cases (e.g., "x superscript 2 baseline plus 1" vs "x
squared plus 1"), GH (now seewritehear) has options to add semantic
interpretation along with verbosity options.
If the student is proficient in Nemeth Code (which he should be), MathSpeak
might be a reasonable option. I'm not an expert in Nemeth code, but I'll go
out on a limb and say that a general guideline for the teacher is that
he/she should explicitly name any greek letter and make sure the beginning
and ending of any 2D notation is obvious when speaking it. When doing that,
you won't be too far off from what MathSpeak says (exceptions would be for
nested radicals, fractions, powers, and superscripts, but those are
complicated to understand by just speech in any case). E.g, "fraction 1
over n end fraction"; "chi squared" is fine; "x bar" is ok after (probably
a few times) saying that "x bar" is written as "x with a line above it".
Neil Soiffer
On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 12:57 PM Bob Mathews via BlindMath <
blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Mary,
>
> MathSpeak is one of the 3 speech styles of MathPlayer, the free math speech
> plugin from Wiris. MathSpeak is described in the MathPlayer User Manual:
> https://docs.wiris.com/en/mathplayer/start. If you don't have MathPlayer
> yet, there's a download link to MathPlayer 4 in the manual.
>
> It could be you were thinking of ClearSpeak. This was a joint project
> between the Educational Testing Service (ETS) and Design Science (now
> Wiris), under a US Department of Education Grant. You can find out more
> about ClearSpeak from its documentation:
>
> https://docs.wiris.com/en/mathtype/mathtype_desktop/accessibility/clearspeak
> .
>
> Regards,
> Bob Mathews
> Wiris
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 2:34 PM Anderson, Mary Fran via BlindMath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Dear Blindmath,
> >
> > I am working with a blind student enrolled in statistics. I am trying to
> > help her teacher describe the statistics problems in a way that my
> student
> > can understand. I have heard of something called math speak, but I
> haven?t
> > been able to find any information regarding this. Can anyone help with
> this
> > issue?
> > Thank you.
> > Mary Fran Anderson
> > _______________________________________________
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>
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 21:41:29 +0000
From: "Godfrey, Jonathan" <A.J.Godfrey at massey.ac.nz>
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Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Math Speak
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Hi,
Thanks Neil for the added information. I think it is important to remember that Dr Nemeth worked in a pre-computational era in mathematics. At that time, any statistics courses that existed were mathematical in nature. We're very definitely a comfortable distance from those times...
The question arose from a need to teach statistics. I suggest that there might therefore be some benefit in all parties (student, teacher, and support staff) reading a paper Theodor Loots and I wrote five years ago for the Journal of Statistics Education, entitled "Advice from blind teachers on how to teach statistics to blind students"
A quite readable pre-print version exists at
https://r-resources.massey.ac.nz/papers/JSE.v23.n3/
While it was written over five years ago, I haven't found anything in there that I would write much differently today.
In contrast, I've recently looked at a conference paper I delivered in Japan back in late 2009, and can only reflect that the period of greatest change in my lifetime in university education of statistics must have occurred in the period from about 2008 to 2014.
Jonathan
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Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Math Speak
A little more info to add to what Bob said...
MathSpeak was developed by Dr. Nemeth so that he could communicate math well with his assistants. In its pure form, it has a one-to-one correspondence with the braille code for math that he developed and is named after him: Nemeth code. You can find some more details at the seewritehear website <https://www.seewritehear.com/accessible-mathml/mathspeak/examples/NemethBook/>.
Because MathSpeak does not speak math the way it is normally spoken in the classroom in many cases (e.g., "x superscript 2 baseline plus 1" vs "x squared plus 1"), GH (now seewritehear) has options to add semantic interpretation along with verbosity options.
If the student is proficient in Nemeth Code (which he should be), MathSpeak might be a reasonable option. I'm not an expert in Nemeth code, but I'll go out on a limb and say that a general guideline for the teacher is that he/she should explicitly name any greek letter and make sure the beginning and ending of any 2D notation is obvious when speaking it. When doing that, you won't be too far off from what MathSpeak says (exceptions would be for nested radicals, fractions, powers, and superscripts, but those are complicated to understand by just speech in any case). E.g, "fraction 1 over n end fraction"; "chi squared" is fine; "x bar" is ok after (probably a few times) saying that "x bar" is written as "x with a line above it".
Neil Soiffer
On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 12:57 PM Bob Mathews via BlindMath < blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Mary,
>
> MathSpeak is one of the 3 speech styles of MathPlayer, the free math
> speech plugin from Wiris. MathSpeak is described in the MathPlayer User Manual:
> https://docs.wiris.com/en/mathplayer/start. If you don't have
> MathPlayer yet, there's a download link to MathPlayer 4 in the manual.
>
> It could be you were thinking of ClearSpeak. This was a joint project
> between the Educational Testing Service (ETS) and Design Science (now
> Wiris), under a US Department of Education Grant. You can find out
> more about ClearSpeak from its documentation:
>
> https://docs.wiris.com/en/mathtype/mathtype_desktop/accessibility/clea
> rspeak
> .
>
> Regards,
> Bob Mathews
> Wiris
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 2:34 PM Anderson, Mary Fran via BlindMath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Dear Blindmath,
> >
> > I am working with a blind student enrolled in statistics. I am
> > trying to help her teacher describe the statistics problems in a way
> > that my
> student
> > can understand. I have heard of something called math speak, but I
> haven?t
> > been able to find any information regarding this. Can anyone help
> > with
> this
> > issue?
> > Thank you.
> > Mary Fran Anderson
> > _______________________________________________
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> > om
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> >
>
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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 05:04:56 +0000
From: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Math Speak
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Hello Mary,
I found tactile graphics and a talking graphing calculator to be helpful for my introductory statistics class. These were my two primary accommodations for my statistics class in addition to a reader for in-class handouts we worked on throughout the class to help us learn the material from the lecture. I also Brailed out my notes using a slate and stylus. I am not all that great with Braille, so I created a math system that worked for me for the few simple formulas we needed to memorize. However, most of the calculations were done using the various statistical functions on the talking graphing calculator.
I hope this helps.
Warm regards,
Elizabeth
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Dear Blindmath,
I am working with a blind student enrolled in statistics. I am trying to help her teacher describe the statistics problems in a way that my student can understand. I have heard of something called math speak, but I haven?t been able to find any information regarding this. Can anyone help with this issue?
Thank you.
Mary Fran Anderson
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 22:31:56 -0700
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Subject: [BlindMath] STEM Mentoring Program
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Dear Blind Math students and professionals,
Are you interested in a career in STEM or already in one? Would you like to foster social and professional connections, join in on conversations about how to make STEM more accessible, and cultivate or help others cultivate the necessary skills to succeed in STEM fields? The NFB Science and Engineering division invites you to participate in our new STEM mentorship program. All who are at least a junior in high school and are aspiring/already in a STEM career are welcome to sign up using this linked Google Form <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0p63m3xhR_hX-r3lwEylLtFuipX3_TVOIRRH4fsTcYnUhyA/viewform> as a mentee, mentor, or both.
Participants will be asked to meet within their mentor parings at least once a month, and all will be invited to join monthly socials, workshops, round-table discussions, and many more fun activities. Sign ups will be open until a week from now: Wednesday September 16, 2020.
If you have any questions or comments, please don?t hesitate to reach out to Newton Nguyen <newton at caltech.edu <mailto:newton at caltech.edu>>. We are looking forward to forming a vibrant community with you all.
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