[BlindMath] BlindMath Digest, Vol 185, Issue 11

Chengetai Gorowoto chengetaigorowoto at gmail.com
Sat Dec 25 21:08:17 UTC 2021 

Hello may you please help me open a Skype account so I can talk to one of
you guys on Skype .You seem to have knowledge about verbatex and I'd love
your assistance please

On Sat, Dec 25, 2021, 14:01 <blindmath-request at nfbnet.org> wrote:

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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2021 10:15:41 +0530
> From: Explorer <kumarsunil1996ch at gmail.com>
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> Ya, one of the hack that we were able to find to read mathematics on
> android is to make sure the mathjax config object include the following
> config properties in source html file so that mathjax accessibility
> extensions are enabled:
>
> MathJax = {
>   options: {
>     menuOptions: {
>       settings: {
>         explorer: true
>       }
>     }
> }
> }
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> On Thu, Dec 23, 2021 at 1:32 AM Chengetai Gorowoto via BlindMath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> > Hello hope i find you well i am sorry not to type using the former way
> may
> > you please help me to pinterest in our friends full once to use in
> android
> > device to do mathematics that's what i would like to do using paper text
> > latex editor please bear in mind that i do not know how to use all these
> > totally i would like you import from beginning to the end i will be using
> > in android 9 thank you in advance for your efforts to share and teach me
> > even if you want to send me in what you which i think is the best so
> that i
> > can understand the introduction to weber text latex edit please use any
> > means that will help me understand my
> > Thank you  very much
> > Me you please also pardon my mistakes i am voice typing is it is not
> clear
> > please tell me so that i type again
> >
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> > >    1. Reading math on android (Explorer)
> > >    2. Re: Issue Accessing Formulae in Word File (Bert Van Landeghem)
> > >    3. Re: Issue Accessing Formulae in Word File (Explorer)
> > >    4. Re: Issue Accessing Formulae in Word File
> > >       (george at techno-vision.co.uk)
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> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2021 08:32:14 +0530
> > > From: Explorer <kumarsunil1996ch at gmail.com>
> > > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > >         <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: [BlindMath] Reading math on android
> > > Message-ID:
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> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > >
> > > Dear all
> > >    I was trying to read mathematics on android with talkback in chrome
> > > browser. but its reading math as normal latex text. but the same
> document
> > > with nvda or jaws is read perfectly on chrome browser for windows. I'm
> > > talking about wikipedia mathematics document, e.g. quadratic formula
> > > document here:
> > >
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadratic_formula
> > >
> > > Does anyone know a hack/trick to read mathematics on android? Also if
> > there
> > > is a way that source file could be modified in such a manner that it
> > > becomes readable on android would also be of great help.
> > >
> > > Thanks and Regards
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2021 04:36:03 +0000
> > > From: Bert Van Landeghem <b.vanlandeghem at sheffield.ac.uk>
> > > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > >         <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Issue Accessing Formulae in Word File
> > > Message-ID:
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> > >
> > > Dear George,
> > >
> > > Earlier I mentioned that your Mathtype equation was readable. but did
> you
> > > have to convert this manually? Normally word to TeX converters should
> be
> > > able to handle equations from the native equations editor in Word. Do
> you
> > > have an idea what was  particular about the equation I sent you, and
> why
> > it
> > > might proof so difficult?
> > >
> > > Many thanks,
> > > Bert
> > >
> > > On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 at 16:15, George Bell via BlindMath <
> > > blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Bert,
> > > >
> > > > Just as an experiment, I have replicated the equation using MathType.
> > > >
> > > > Any change?
> > > >
> > > > George
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Bert Van
> > > > Landeghem via BlindMath
> > > > Sent: 17 December 2021 09:41
> > > > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <
> > > > blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > > > Cc: Bert Van Landeghem <b.vanlandeghem at sheffield.ac.uk>
> > > > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Issue Accessing Formulae in Word File
> > > >
> > > > Dear all,
> > > >
> > > > I have now been in touch with the author, who says he has used the
> > native
> > > > equation editor in Microsoft Word. I am attaching a very short
> extract
> > to
> > > > this message (less than half a sentence). It contains a letter \theta
> > > which
> > > > is recognised by pandoc and JAWS, and then another symbol/equation
> that
> > > is
> > > > not recognised. Any ideas?
> > > >
> > > > Many thanks,
> > > > Bert
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 at 04:23, Steve Jacobson via BlindMath <
> > > > blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > It seems like we may be getting bogged down a bit here.  My
> > > > > understanding is that it is not known how the formulas were
> > originally
> > > > > written.  Perhaps we need more information about the document.  He
> is
> > > > > using PanDoc.  Does anybody know if PanDoc will convert formulas in
> > > > > Word to LaTex?  If so, it is probably dependent upon how the
> formulas
> > > > > were entered.  It is, of course, possible that the formulas he is
> > > > > trying to read are actually images that were captured from another
> > > > program.
> > > > >
> > > > > Since last spring, one can enter equations in Nemeth Code with JAWS
> > > > > and they are stored in Word's Equation Editor.  I had heard that
> the
> > > > > Equation editor can store formulas in a number of formats now, but
> I
> > > > > don't know any of the details.  Perhaps others here know.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve Jacobson
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Neil
> > > > > Soiffer via BlindMath
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 5:21 PM
> > > > > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <
> > > > > blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > > > > Cc: Neil Soiffer <soiffer at alum.mit.edu>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Issue Accessing Formulae in Word File
> > > > >
> > > > > If the equations are created with MathType, then they are stored in
> > > > > the docx file as an object that has its own format. MathType is the
> > > > > program that reads that format, although the format is documented <
> > > > >
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.
> > > > > wiris.com
> > %2Fen%2Fmathtype%2Foffice_tools%2Fmathtype-sdk%2Fmtef4&da
> > > > >
> > ta=04%7C01%7C%7C4e952474db8e4f78950d08d9c0eadfb4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb43
> > > > >
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> > > > >
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> > > > >
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> > > > > rved=0>
> > > > > and
> > > > > one could potentially write something that reads that and converts
> it
> > > > > to MathML. That then could be added to pandoc or NVDA or whatever
> and
> > > > > thereby eliminate the need for MathType. AFAIK, no one besides
> Design
> > > > > Science (now
> > > > > WIRIS) ever implemented a reader for that format. Obviously, it is
> a
> > > > > non-trivial amount of work.
> > > > >
> > > > > Neil Soiffer
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 12:29 PM Bert Van Landeghem via BlindMath <
> > > > > blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Robert,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Many thanks for your feedback. I will consider Mathtype, but are
> > you
> > > > > > sure this is the problem I am experiencing? With pandoc one
> should
> > > > > > be able to convert docx files to LaTeX.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Bert
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 at 17:17, rjaquiss via BlindMath <
> > > > > blindmath at nfbnet.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello Bert:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You will need MathType software to work with Word documents.
> > > > > > > MathType allows a user to convert equasions in Word to Latex.
> > > > > > > MathType is a plugin for Word.
> > > > > > > Hope this helps.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Robert
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > > > > Bert
> > > > > > > Van
> > > > > > > Landeghem via BlindMath
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 7:43 AM
> > > > > > > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > > > > > > Cc: Bert Van Landeghem
> > > > > > > Subject: [BlindMath] Issue Accessing Formulae in Word File
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear all,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I received a .docx file and have converted it to LaTeX with
> > Pandoc.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Unfortunately it seems that the formulae are not converted the
> > way
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > was
> > > > > > > hoping they would be. Scientific notation seems to be
> translated
> > > > > > > with images.
> > > > > > > "\includegraphics{media/image16.emf}." is example code. No
> image
> > > > > > > files
> > > > > > seem
> > > > > > > however to have been generated. Does anybody know what the
> > problem
> > > > > might
> > > > > > > be, and whether or not there is a possibility to make these
> > > > > > > equations
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > symbols accessible?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kind regards,
> > > > > > > Bert
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> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 3
> > > Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2021 13:59:39 +0530
> > > From: Explorer <kumarsunil1996ch at gmail.com>
> > > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > >         <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Issue Accessing Formulae in Word File
> > > Message-ID:
> > >         <CAOYNTAyMez_5GuqPp=
> > > tna6SfiOhKB+FnbpmtQzhRP+WK0dVNdg at mail.gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > >
> > > As others have mentioned on thread, it matters how are source equations
> > are
> > > put into word (also I believe office word version also matters, earlier
> > > equation editor may not have been accessible). this is one of the
> result
> > of
> > > quick google search on topic:
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://teachinghub.bath.ac.uk/accessible-maths-with-microsoft-equation-editor-guidance/
> > >
> > > But with latest word equation editor, one can generate accessible math
> > > (again, I don't like the way it reads math in word and therefore prefer
> > to
> > > generate html out of word containing math using pandoc using --mathjax
> or
> > > --mathml flag depending on whether you want to read them with mathjax
> > > accessibility support, mathplayer or jaws engine).
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 10:07 AM Bert Van Landeghem via BlindMath <
> > > blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear George,
> > > >
> > > > Earlier I mentioned that your Mathtype equation was readable. but did
> > you
> > > > have to convert this manually? Normally word to TeX converters should
> > be
> > > > able to handle equations from the native equations editor in Word. Do
> > you
> > > > have an idea what was  particular about the equation I sent you, and
> > why
> > > it
> > > > might proof so difficult?
> > > >
> > > > Many thanks,
> > > > Bert
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 at 16:15, George Bell via BlindMath <
> > > > blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Bert,
> > > > >
> > > > > Just as an experiment, I have replicated the equation using
> MathType.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any change?
> > > > >
> > > > > George
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Bert
> Van
> > > > > Landeghem via BlindMath
> > > > > Sent: 17 December 2021 09:41
> > > > > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <
> > > > > blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > > > > Cc: Bert Van Landeghem <b.vanlandeghem at sheffield.ac.uk>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Issue Accessing Formulae in Word File
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I have now been in touch with the author, who says he has used the
> > > native
> > > > > equation editor in Microsoft Word. I am attaching a very short
> > extract
> > > to
> > > > > this message (less than half a sentence). It contains a letter
> \theta
> > > > which
> > > > > is recognised by pandoc and JAWS, and then another symbol/equation
> > that
> > > > is
> > > > > not recognised. Any ideas?
> > > > >
> > > > > Many thanks,
> > > > > Bert
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 at 04:23, Steve Jacobson via BlindMath <
> > > > > blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > It seems like we may be getting bogged down a bit here.  My
> > > > > > understanding is that it is not known how the formulas were
> > > originally
> > > > > > written.  Perhaps we need more information about the document.
> He
> > is
> > > > > > using PanDoc.  Does anybody know if PanDoc will convert formulas
> in
> > > > > > Word to LaTex?  If so, it is probably dependent upon how the
> > formulas
> > > > > > were entered.  It is, of course, possible that the formulas he is
> > > > > > trying to read are actually images that were captured from
> another
> > > > > program.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Since last spring, one can enter equations in Nemeth Code with
> JAWS
> > > > > > and they are stored in Word's Equation Editor.  I had heard that
> > the
> > > > > > Equation editor can store formulas in a number of formats now,
> but
> > I
> > > > > > don't know any of the details.  Perhaps others here know.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Steve Jacobson
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Neil
> > > > > > Soiffer via BlindMath
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 5:21 PM
> > > > > > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <
> > > > > > blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > > > > > Cc: Neil Soiffer <soiffer at alum.mit.edu>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Issue Accessing Formulae in Word File
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If the equations are created with MathType, then they are stored
> in
> > > > > > the docx file as an object that has its own format. MathType is
> the
> > > > > > program that reads that format, although the format is
> documented <
> > > > > >
> > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.
> > > > > > wiris.com
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> > > > > >
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> > > > > >
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> > > > > > rved=0>
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > one could potentially write something that reads that and
> converts
> > it
> > > > > > to MathML. That then could be added to pandoc or NVDA or whatever
> > and
> > > > > > thereby eliminate the need for MathType. AFAIK, no one besides
> > Design
> > > > > > Science (now
> > > > > > WIRIS) ever implemented a reader for that format. Obviously, it
> is
> > a
> > > > > > non-trivial amount of work.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Neil Soiffer
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 12:29 PM Bert Van Landeghem via
> BlindMath <
> > > > > > blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Robert,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Many thanks for your feedback. I will consider Mathtype, but
> are
> > > you
> > > > > > > sure this is the problem I am experiencing? With pandoc one
> > should
> > > > > > > be able to convert docx files to LaTeX.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > Bert
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 at 17:17, rjaquiss via BlindMath <
> > > > > > blindmath at nfbnet.org
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hello Bert:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You will need MathType software to work with Word documents.
> > > > > > > > MathType allows a user to convert equasions in Word to Latex.
> > > > > > > > MathType is a plugin for Word.
> > > > > > > > Hope this helps.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Robert
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > Behalf
> > > Of
> > > > > > Bert
> > > > > > > > Van
> > > > > > > > Landeghem via BlindMath
> > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 7:43 AM
> > > > > > > > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > > > > > > > Cc: Bert Van Landeghem
> > > > > > > > Subject: [BlindMath] Issue Accessing Formulae in Word File
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dear all,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I received a .docx file and have converted it to LaTeX with
> > > Pandoc.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Unfortunately it seems that the formulae are not converted
> the
> > > way
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > hoping they would be. Scientific notation seems to be
> > translated
> > > > > > > > with images.
> > > > > > > > "\includegraphics{media/image16.emf}." is example code. No
> > image
> > > > > > > > files
> > > > > > > seem
> > > > > > > > however to have been generated. Does anybody know what the
> > > problem
> > > > > > might
> > > > > > > > be, and whether or not there is a possibility to make these
> > > > > > > > equations
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > symbols accessible?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Kind regards,
> > > > > > > > Bert
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> > > Message: 4
> > > Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2021 11:01:20 -0000
> > > From: <george at techno-vision.co.uk>
> > > To: "'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'"
> > >         <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Issue Accessing Formulae in Word File
> > > Message-ID: <00f001d7f65a$1bf59d90$53e0d8b0$@techno-vision.co.uk>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > > Hi Bert,
> > >
> > > Most of my exposure to Word and mathematics relates to importing Word,
> > > containing math, into the Duxbury Braille software.
> > >
> > > Many moons ago, Word contained a scaled down version of MathType when
> it
> > > was
> > > developed by Design Science in the USA.  What is in Word now is
> anyone's
> > > guess, but you can be sure Microsoft have code of their own in there.
> > >
> > > That said, Design Science has been taken over by WIRIS from Spain.
> > >
> > > At the end of the day, we have taken the easy way out, and given an
> > > education price of ?35.00 (UK Pounds), it is a very small price to pay.
> > > And
> > > especially since it can add equations into WordPress.
> > >
> > > George
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Bert Van
> > > Landeghem via BlindMath
> > > Sent: 21 December 2021 04:36
> > > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > > <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > > Cc: Bert Van Landeghem <b.vanlandeghem at sheffield.ac.uk>
> > > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Issue Accessing Formulae in Word File
> > >
> > > Dear George,
> > >
> > > Earlier I mentioned that your Mathtype equation was readable. but did
> you
> > > have to convert this manually? Normally word to TeX converters should
> be
> > > able to handle equations from the native equations editor in Word. Do
> you
> > > have an idea what was  particular about the equation I sent you, and
> why
> > it
> > > might proof so difficult?
> > >
> > > Many thanks,
> > > Bert
> > >
> > > On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 at 16:15, George Bell via BlindMath <
> > > blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Bert,
> > > >
> > > > Just as an experiment, I have replicated the equation using MathType.
> > > >
> > > > Any change?
> > > >
> > > > George
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Bert Van
> > > > Landeghem via BlindMath
> > > > Sent: 17 December 2021 09:41
> > > > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <
> > > > blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > > > Cc: Bert Van Landeghem <b.vanlandeghem at sheffield.ac.uk>
> > > > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Issue Accessing Formulae in Word File
> > > >
> > > > Dear all,
> > > >
> > > > I have now been in touch with the author, who says he has used the
> > > > native equation editor in Microsoft Word. I am attaching a very short
> > > > extract to this message (less than half a sentence). It contains a
> > > > letter \theta which is recognised by pandoc and JAWS, and then
> another
> > > > symbol/equation that is not recognised. Any ideas?
> > > >
> > > > Many thanks,
> > > > Bert
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 at 04:23, Steve Jacobson via BlindMath <
> > > > blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > It seems like we may be getting bogged down a bit here.  My
> > > > > understanding is that it is not known how the formulas were
> > > > > originally written.  Perhaps we need more information about the
> > > > > document.  He is using PanDoc.  Does anybody know if PanDoc will
> > > > > convert formulas in Word to LaTex?  If so, it is probably dependent
> > > > > upon how the formulas were entered.  It is, of course, possible
> that
> > > > > the formulas he is trying to read are actually images that were
> > > > > captured from another
> > > > program.
> > > > >
> > > > > Since last spring, one can enter equations in Nemeth Code with JAWS
> > > > > and they are stored in Word's Equation Editor.  I had heard that
> the
> > > > > Equation editor can store formulas in a number of formats now, but
> I
> > > > > don't know any of the details.  Perhaps others here know.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve Jacobson
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Neil
> > > > > Soiffer via BlindMath
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 5:21 PM
> > > > > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <
> > > > > blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > > > > Cc: Neil Soiffer <soiffer at alum.mit.edu>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Issue Accessing Formulae in Word File
> > > > >
> > > > > If the equations are created with MathType, then they are stored in
> > > > > the docx file as an object that has its own format. MathType is the
> > > > > program that reads that format, although the format is documented <
> > > > >
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> > > > > wiris.com
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> > > > >
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> > > > >
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> > > > > se
> > > > > rved=0>
> > > > > and
> > > > > one could potentially write something that reads that and converts
> > > > > it to MathML. That then could be added to pandoc or NVDA or
> whatever
> > > > > and thereby eliminate the need for MathType. AFAIK, no one besides
> > > > > Design Science (now
> > > > > WIRIS) ever implemented a reader for that format. Obviously, it is
> a
> > > > > non-trivial amount of work.
> > > > >
> > > > > Neil Soiffer
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 12:29 PM Bert Van Landeghem via BlindMath <
> > > > > blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Robert,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Many thanks for your feedback. I will consider Mathtype, but are
> > > > > > you sure this is the problem I am experiencing? With pandoc one
> > > > > > should be able to convert docx files to LaTeX.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Bert
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 at 17:17, rjaquiss via BlindMath <
> > > > > blindmath at nfbnet.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello Bert:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You will need MathType software to work with Word documents.
> > > > > > > MathType allows a user to convert equasions in Word to Latex.
> > > > > > > MathType is a plugin for Word.
> > > > > > > Hope this helps.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Robert
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
> > > > > > > Of
> > > > > Bert
> > > > > > > Van
> > > > > > > Landeghem via BlindMath
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 7:43 AM
> > > > > > > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > > > > > > Cc: Bert Van Landeghem
> > > > > > > Subject: [BlindMath] Issue Accessing Formulae in Word File
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear all,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I received a .docx file and have converted it to LaTeX with
> > Pandoc.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Unfortunately it seems that the formulae are not converted the
> > > > > > > way I
> > > > > was
> > > > > > > hoping they would be. Scientific notation seems to be
> translated
> > > > > > > with images.
> > > > > > > "\includegraphics{media/image16.emf}." is example code. No
> image
> > > > > > > files
> > > > > > seem
> > > > > > > however to have been generated. Does anybody know what the
> > > > > > > problem
> > > > > might
> > > > > > > be, and whether or not there is a possibility to make these
> > > > > > > equations
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > symbols accessible?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kind regards,
> > > > > > > Bert
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