[BlindMath] Learning High School Math

Mon Jul 26 02:32:57 UTC 2021

Hi Traci,

You can uninstall the Word from your machine and then reinstall the 32-bit version of Word as 32 bit applications are supported on 64-bit machine/Windows OS. Installation process will be same, it just using a different installer:

Note: Make sure that the product key is handy before uninstalling the Word from the machine.

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Excerpt:
The 64-bit version is installed by default unless Office detects you already have a 32-bit version of Office (or a stand-alone Office app such as Project or Visio) installed. In this case, the 32-bit version of Office will be installed instead.
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Regarding running Latex on Notepad, you can use the steps detailed at LaTeX on Windows with MiKTeX and Notepad++ - Nimal's Weblog<https://nimal.info/blog/2010/latex-on-windows-with-miktex-and-notepad/>.

Thanks
Shail

From: Traci W <traci.mwd at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2021 7:18 PM
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Rastislav Kish <rastislav.kish at protonmail.com>; Shail M <momdadofarushi at hotmail.com>; Louis Maher <ljmaher03 at outlook.com>
Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Learning High School Math

We did play with it on our old laptops and were successful with Word, NVDA and Mathplayer and MathType installed....

But we now have 64 bit computers and are back to square one.  My next look is at the Accessible Equation Editor Project.  But I am also looking at Notepad++ with LaTex.

Traci

On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 9:56 PM Shail M via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
Just to mention, MathPlayer plugin is visible in Word, only if the 32-bit Word is installed.

The NVDA documentation states the below but when tried on OpenStax and few other pages with Math content, it didn't worked as claimed.

7. Reading Mathematical Content

Using MathPlayer 4 from Design Science, NVDA can read and interactively navigate supported mathematical content. This requires that MathPlayer 4 is installed on the computer. MathPlayer is available as a free download from: https://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathplayer/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dessci.com%2Fen%2Fproducts%2Fmathplayer%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd0997de5e12b4e9e91ed08d94fdba378%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637628627048259514%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=US8oB9Xbr%2BeaG1zMTrXZRffjiJVxpXw7O05fR9whit4%3D&reserved=0>

NVDA supports the following types of mathematical content:

    MathML in Mozilla Firefox, Microsoft Internet Explorer and Google Chrome.
    Design Science MathType in Microsoft Word and PowerPoint. MathType needs to be installed in order for this to work. The trial version is sufficient. It can be downloaded from https://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dessci.com%2Fen%2Fproducts%2Fmathtype%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd0997de5e12b4e9e91ed08d94fdba378%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637628627048259514%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=VkZEtfh5PjOINnA59hkBVqXzafN4rq3otWfYjyxrIo4%3D&reserved=0>
    MathML in Adobe Reader. Note that this is not an official standard yet, so there is currently no publicly available software that can produce this content.
    Math in Kindle for PC for books with accessible math.

When reading a document, NVDA will speak any supported mathematical content where it occurs. If you are using a braille display, it will also be displayed in braille.

Thanks
Shail

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From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org>> On Behalf Of Louis Maher via BlindMath
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2021 6:29 PM
To: Rastislav Kish <rastislav.kish at protonmail.com<mailto:rastislav.kish at protonmail.com>>; Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>>
Cc: Louis Maher <ljmaher03 at outlook.com<mailto:ljmaher03 at outlook.com>>
Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Learning High School Math

Hello,

MathPlayer's manual and download site is at
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Regards
Louis Maher
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From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org>> On Behalf Of Rastislav Kish via BlindMath
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2021 6:25 PM
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Cc: Rastislav Kish <rastislav.kish at protonmail.com<mailto:rastislav.kish at protonmail.com>>
Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Learning High School Math

Hey there,

one question, does MathPlayer still exist? Or what happened to it?

It has crossed my mind as well in the discussion as it was the only choice of accessing math in Jaws 16-? Or 15- I'm not sure now.

But search results from Google simply redirect me to MathType, which doesn't seem to have included the MathPlayer functionality as far as I've tested.

Does anyone know what happened?

Best regards

Rastislav

Dňa 25. 7. 2021 o 5:56 Shail M via BlindMath napísal(a):
> Hi @Susan,
>
> Hope, you are doing well. Thanks much for providing the references to the Math books.
>
> Though Math equation speak is normally error prone by NVDA as well as JAWS. I lately learned that Math Player + Firefox + NVDA is the best among all options. I am trying it out.
>
> Canute is really promising and something that might be affordable compared to other notetakers. I really hope, this becomes the game changer and people with VI can read more content with scrolling for every line.
>
> Thanks
> Shail
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Jolly via BlindMath
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> Cc: Susan Jolly <easjolly at ix.netcom.com<mailto:easjolly at ix.netcom.com>>
> Subject: [BlindMath] Learning High School Math
>
> Hi Shail,
>
> Thank you for reading my article and your nice words about it.
>
> You mentioned an algebra book on OpenStax that seems like it would be difficult to convert to braille.  I agree.  It may be that the UTMOST project I mentioned previously is planning to provide some algebra books in braille.  You might want to contact them if the next two suggestions aren't helpful.
>
> Here are two sources for braille books including algebra books which are available free to eligible persons.  A TVI should know what is required to request a book from either source.
>
> The APH Louis database attempts to keep a record of every available book transcribed to braille for educational purposes.
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> You also mentioned the difficulty of working with a complex formula in either LaTeX or Nemeth.  There's actually been a lot of research in the area of how to explore complex formulas non-visually.  To take your example one possibility would reveal the outermost view as an expresson raised to a fractional power. The first  inner view is that the expression is a simple fraction.  Next one could explore the numerator and denominator and then their individual factors.
>
> It is my understanding that both MathJax and NVDA provide for such exploration via tabbing.  I don't know the details of how to do this but perhaps someone else on the list can help.
>
> As for manipulating the formula in braille it might be helpful to have an embossed braille copy.  Some people prefer to do braille math on a Perkins so as to read several lines at once.  The Canute 360 braille e-reader which has nine 40-cell lines  is just back in production so that will be another option hopefully available soon.
>
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