[BlindMath] Learning High School Math

Mon Jul 26 02:43:19 UTC 2021

Ok. We use 365 so I will try to tell it to install the 33 bit version!

Thanks for the Notepad info too. My kids used Notepad++ at a Cyber camp and
liked it!

Traci

On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 10:32 PM Shail M <momdadofarushi at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Traci,
>
>
>
> You can uninstall the Word from your machine and then reinstall the 32-bit
> version of Word as 32 bit applications are supported on 64-bit
> machine/Windows OS. Installation process will be same, it just using a
> different installer:
>
>
>
> Note: Make sure that the product key is handy before uninstalling the Word
> from the machine.
>
>
>
> Download and install or reinstall Microsoft 365 or Office 2019 on a PC or
> Mac - Office Support
> <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/download-and-install-or-reinstall-microsoft-365-or-office-2019-on-a-pc-or-mac-4414eaaf-0478-48be-9c42-23adc4716658#installsteps=pc_step-by-step>
>
> Excerpt:
>
> The 64-bit version is installed by default unless Office detects you
> already have a 32-bit version of Office (or a stand-alone Office app such
> as Project or Visio) installed. In this case, the 32-bit version of Office
> will be installed instead.
>
> To change from a 32-bit version to a 64-bit version
> <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/choose-between-the-64-bit-or-32-bit-version-of-office-2dee7807-8f95-4d0c-b5fe-6c6f49b8d261?wt.mc_id=scl_installoffice_home> or
> vice versa, you need to uninstall
> <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/uninstall-office-from-a-pc-9dd49b83-264a-477a-8fcc-2fdf5dbf61d8> Office
> first (including any stand-alone Office apps you have such as Project of
> Visio). Once the uninstall is complete, sign in again to www.office.com and
> select *Other install options*, choose the language and version you want
> (64 or 32-bit), and then select *Install*. (See Install Visio
> <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/install-visio-or-access-visio-for-the-web-f98f21e3-aa02-4827-9167-ddab5b025710>
>  or Install Project
> <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/install-project-7059249b-d9fe-4d61-ab96-5c5bf435f281> if
> you need to reinstall those stand-alone apps.)
>
>
>
> Regarding running Latex on Notepad, you can use the steps detailed at LaTeX
> on Windows with MiKTeX and Notepad++ – Nimal's Weblog
> <https://nimal.info/blog/2010/latex-on-windows-with-miktex-and-notepad/>.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Shail
>
>
>
> *From:* Traci W <traci.mwd at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 25, 2021 7:18 PM
> *To:* Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> *Cc:* Rastislav Kish <rastislav.kish at protonmail.com>; Shail M <
> momdadofarushi at hotmail.com>; Louis Maher <ljmaher03 at outlook.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [BlindMath] Learning High School Math
>
>
>
> We did play with it on our old laptops and were successful with Word, NVDA
> and Mathplayer and MathType installed....
>
>
>
> But we now have 64 bit computers and are back to square one.  My next look
> is at the Accessible Equation Editor Project.  But I am also looking at
> Notepad++ with LaTex.
>
>
>
> Traci
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 9:56 PM Shail M via BlindMath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Just to mention, MathPlayer plugin is visible in Word, only if the 32-bit
> Word is installed.
>
> The NVDA documentation states the below but when tried on OpenStax and few
> other pages with Math content, it didn't worked as claimed.
>
> 7. Reading Mathematical Content
>
> Using MathPlayer 4 from Design Science, NVDA can read and interactively
> navigate supported mathematical content. This requires that MathPlayer 4 is
> installed on the computer. MathPlayer is available as a free download from:
> https://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathplayer/
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dessci.com%2Fen%2Fproducts%2Fmathplayer%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd0997de5e12b4e9e91ed08d94fdba378%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637628627048259514%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=US8oB9Xbr%2BeaG1zMTrXZRffjiJVxpXw7O05fR9whit4%3D&reserved=0>
>
> NVDA supports the following types of mathematical content:
>
>     MathML in Mozilla Firefox, Microsoft Internet Explorer and Google
> Chrome.
>     Design Science MathType in Microsoft Word and PowerPoint. MathType
> needs to be installed in order for this to work. The trial version is
> sufficient. It can be downloaded from
> https://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/
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>     MathML in Adobe Reader. Note that this is not an official standard
> yet, so there is currently no publicly available software that can produce
> this content.
>     Math in Kindle for PC for books with accessible math.
>
> When reading a document, NVDA will speak any supported mathematical
> content where it occurs. If you are using a braille display, it will also
> be displayed in braille.
>
> Thanks
> Shail
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Louis Maher
> via BlindMath
> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2021 6:29 PM
> To: Rastislav Kish <rastislav.kish at protonmail.com>; Blind Math list for
> those interested in mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Louis Maher <ljmaher03 at outlook.com>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Learning High School Math
>
> Hello,
>
> MathPlayer's manual and download site is at
>
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> Regards
> Louis Maher
> Phone: 713-444-7838
> E-mail: ljmaher03 at outlook.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Rastislav
> Kish via BlindMath
> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2021 6:25 PM
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Rastislav Kish <rastislav.kish at protonmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Learning High School Math
>
> Hey there,
>
> one question, does MathPlayer still exist? Or what happened to it?
>
>
> It has crossed my mind as well in the discussion as it was the only choice
> of accessing math in Jaws 16-? Or 15- I'm not sure now.
>
>
> But search results from Google simply redirect me to MathType, which
> doesn't seem to have included the MathPlayer functionality as far as I've
> tested.
>
> Does anyone know what happened?
>
>
> Best regards
>
>
> Rastislav
>
>
> Dňa 25. 7. 2021 o 5:56 Shail M via BlindMath napísal(a):
> > Hi @Susan,
> >
> > Hope, you are doing well. Thanks much for providing the references to
> the Math books.
> >
> > Though Math equation speak is normally error prone by NVDA as well as
> JAWS. I lately learned that Math Player + Firefox + NVDA is the best among
> all options. I am trying it out.
> >
> > Canute is really promising and something that might be affordable
> compared to other notetakers. I really hope, this becomes the game changer
> and people with VI can read more content with scrolling for every line.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Shail
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Susan
> > Jolly via BlindMath
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 4:20 PM
> > To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> > Cc: Susan Jolly <easjolly at ix.netcom.com>
> > Subject: [BlindMath] Learning High School Math
> >
> > Hi Shail,
> >
> > Thank you for reading my article and your nice words about it.
> >
> > You mentioned an algebra book on OpenStax that seems like it would be
> difficult to convert to braille.  I agree.  It may be that the UTMOST
> project I mentioned previously is planning to provide some algebra books in
> braille.  You might want to contact them if the next two suggestions aren't
> helpful.
> >
> > Here are two sources for braille books including algebra books which are
> available free to eligible persons.  A TVI should know what is required to
> request a book from either source.
> >
> > The APH Louis database attempts to keep a record of every available book
> transcribed to braille for educational purposes.
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> >
> > BookShare has a huge number of books in various accessible formats
> including algebra books in braille.
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> >
> > You also mentioned the difficulty of working with a complex formula in
> either LaTeX or Nemeth.  There's actually been a lot of research in the
> area of how to explore complex formulas non-visually.  To take your example
> one possibility would reveal the outermost view as an expresson raised to a
> fractional power. The first  inner view is that the expression is a simple
> fraction.  Next one could explore the numerator and denominator and then
> their individual factors.
> >
> > It is my understanding that both MathJax and NVDA provide for such
> exploration via tabbing.  I don't know the details of how to do this but
> perhaps someone else on the list can help.
> >
> > As for manipulating the formula in braille it might be helpful to have
> an embossed braille copy.  Some people prefer to do braille math on a
> Perkins so as to read several lines at once.  The Canute 360 braille
> e-reader which has nine 40-cell lines  is just back in production so that
> will be another option hopefully available soon.
> >
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.br
> > istolbraille.co.uk
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> > Best wishes,
> > Susan J.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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