[BlindMath] Learning High School Math

Traci W traci.mwd at gmail.com
Mon Jul 26 12:26:10 UTC 2021


I was doing some YouTube searching this am. And found this video. There is
a comment about markdown working better than Latex for screenreaders. Any
input?

https://youtu.be/bqHNpNLa7ew


Traci


On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 10:43 PM Traci W <traci.mwd at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ok. We use 365 so I will try to tell it to install the 33 bit version!
>
> Thanks for the Notepad info too. My kids used Notepad++ at a Cyber camp
> and liked it!
>
> Traci
>
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 10:32 PM Shail M <momdadofarushi at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Traci,
>>
>>
>>
>> You can uninstall the Word from your machine and then reinstall the
>> 32-bit version of Word as 32 bit applications are supported on 64-bit
>> machine/Windows OS. Installation process will be same, it just using a
>> different installer:
>>
>>
>>
>> Note: Make sure that the product key is handy before uninstalling the
>> Word from the machine.
>>
>>
>>
>> Download and install or reinstall Microsoft 365 or Office 2019 on a PC or
>> Mac - Office Support
>> <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/download-and-install-or-reinstall-microsoft-365-or-office-2019-on-a-pc-or-mac-4414eaaf-0478-48be-9c42-23adc4716658#installsteps=pc_step-by-step>
>>
>> Excerpt:
>>
>> The 64-bit version is installed by default unless Office detects you
>> already have a 32-bit version of Office (or a stand-alone Office app such
>> as Project or Visio) installed. In this case, the 32-bit version of Office
>> will be installed instead.
>>
>> To change from a 32-bit version to a 64-bit version
>> <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/choose-between-the-64-bit-or-32-bit-version-of-office-2dee7807-8f95-4d0c-b5fe-6c6f49b8d261?wt.mc_id=scl_installoffice_home> or
>> vice versa, you need to uninstall
>> <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/uninstall-office-from-a-pc-9dd49b83-264a-477a-8fcc-2fdf5dbf61d8> Office
>> first (including any stand-alone Office apps you have such as Project of
>> Visio). Once the uninstall is complete, sign in again to www.office.com and
>> select *Other install options*, choose the language and version you want
>> (64 or 32-bit), and then select *Install*. (See Install Visio
>> <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/install-visio-or-access-visio-for-the-web-f98f21e3-aa02-4827-9167-ddab5b025710>
>>  or Install Project
>> <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/install-project-7059249b-d9fe-4d61-ab96-5c5bf435f281> if
>> you need to reinstall those stand-alone apps.)
>>
>>
>>
>> Regarding running Latex on Notepad, you can use the steps detailed at LaTeX
>> on Windows with MiKTeX and Notepad++ – Nimal's Weblog
>> <https://nimal.info/blog/2010/latex-on-windows-with-miktex-and-notepad/>.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Shail
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Traci W <traci.mwd at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 25, 2021 7:18 PM
>> *To:* Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <
>> blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> *Cc:* Rastislav Kish <rastislav.kish at protonmail.com>; Shail M <
>> momdadofarushi at hotmail.com>; Louis Maher <ljmaher03 at outlook.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [BlindMath] Learning High School Math
>>
>>
>>
>> We did play with it on our old laptops and were successful with Word,
>> NVDA and Mathplayer and MathType installed....
>>
>>
>>
>> But we now have 64 bit computers and are back to square one.  My next
>> look is at the Accessible Equation Editor Project.  But I am also
>> looking at Notepad++ with LaTex.
>>
>>
>>
>> Traci
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 9:56 PM Shail M via BlindMath <
>> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Just to mention, MathPlayer plugin is visible in Word, only if the 32-bit
>> Word is installed.
>>
>> The NVDA documentation states the below but when tried on OpenStax and
>> few other pages with Math content, it didn't worked as claimed.
>>
>> 7. Reading Mathematical Content
>>
>> Using MathPlayer 4 from Design Science, NVDA can read and interactively
>> navigate supported mathematical content. This requires that MathPlayer 4 is
>> installed on the computer. MathPlayer is available as a free download from:
>> https://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathplayer/
>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dessci.com%2Fen%2Fproducts%2Fmathplayer%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd0997de5e12b4e9e91ed08d94fdba378%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637628627048259514%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=US8oB9Xbr%2BeaG1zMTrXZRffjiJVxpXw7O05fR9whit4%3D&reserved=0>
>>
>> NVDA supports the following types of mathematical content:
>>
>>     MathML in Mozilla Firefox, Microsoft Internet Explorer and Google
>> Chrome.
>>     Design Science MathType in Microsoft Word and PowerPoint. MathType
>> needs to be installed in order for this to work. The trial version is
>> sufficient. It can be downloaded from
>> https://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/
>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dessci.com%2Fen%2Fproducts%2Fmathtype%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd0997de5e12b4e9e91ed08d94fdba378%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637628627048259514%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=VkZEtfh5PjOINnA59hkBVqXzafN4rq3otWfYjyxrIo4%3D&reserved=0>
>>     MathML in Adobe Reader. Note that this is not an official standard
>> yet, so there is currently no publicly available software that can produce
>> this content.
>>     Math in Kindle for PC for books with accessible math.
>>
>> When reading a document, NVDA will speak any supported mathematical
>> content where it occurs. If you are using a braille display, it will also
>> be displayed in braille.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Shail
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Louis Maher
>> via BlindMath
>> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2021 6:29 PM
>> To: Rastislav Kish <rastislav.kish at protonmail.com>; Blind Math list for
>> those interested in mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Louis Maher <ljmaher03 at outlook.com>
>> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Learning High School Math
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> MathPlayer's manual and download site is at
>>
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.wiris.com%2Fen%2Fmathplayer%2Fstart&data=04%7C01%7C%7C5611d6663714436dada908d94fd4f5eb%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637628598339694906%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=fHFXNEbxxsptKG8WEAI36otlYAeADemN0PO9wyII3rg%3D&reserved=0
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>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Louis Maher
>> Phone: 713-444-7838
>> E-mail: ljmaher03 at outlook.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Rastislav
>> Kish via BlindMath
>> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2021 6:25 PM
>> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Rastislav Kish <rastislav.kish at protonmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Learning High School Math
>>
>> Hey there,
>>
>> one question, does MathPlayer still exist? Or what happened to it?
>>
>>
>> It has crossed my mind as well in the discussion as it was the only
>> choice of accessing math in Jaws 16-? Or 15- I'm not sure now.
>>
>>
>> But search results from Google simply redirect me to MathType, which
>> doesn't seem to have included the MathPlayer functionality as far as I've
>> tested.
>>
>> Does anyone know what happened?
>>
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>>
>> Rastislav
>>
>>
>> Dňa 25. 7. 2021 o 5:56 Shail M via BlindMath napísal(a):
>> > Hi @Susan,
>> >
>> > Hope, you are doing well. Thanks much for providing the references to
>> the Math books.
>> >
>> > Though Math equation speak is normally error prone by NVDA as well as
>> JAWS. I lately learned that Math Player + Firefox + NVDA is the best among
>> all options. I am trying it out.
>> >
>> > Canute is really promising and something that might be affordable
>> compared to other notetakers. I really hope, this becomes the game changer
>> and people with VI can read more content with scrolling for every line.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Shail
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Susan
>> > Jolly via BlindMath
>> > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 4:20 PM
>> > To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
>> > Cc: Susan Jolly <easjolly at ix.netcom.com>
>> > Subject: [BlindMath] Learning High School Math
>> >
>> > Hi Shail,
>> >
>> > Thank you for reading my article and your nice words about it.
>> >
>> > You mentioned an algebra book on OpenStax that seems like it would be
>> difficult to convert to braille.  I agree.  It may be that the UTMOST
>> project I mentioned previously is planning to provide some algebra books in
>> braille.  You might want to contact them if the next two suggestions aren't
>> helpful.
>> >
>> > Here are two sources for braille books including algebra books which
>> are available free to eligible persons.  A TVI should know what is required
>> to request a book from either source.
>> >
>> > The APH Louis database attempts to keep a record of every available
>> book transcribed to braille for educational purposes.
>> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flouis
>> > .aph.org
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>> >
>> > BookShare has a huge number of books in various accessible formats
>> including algebra books in braille.
>> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.b
>> > ookshare.org
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>> >
>> > You also mentioned the difficulty of working with a complex formula in
>> either LaTeX or Nemeth.  There's actually been a lot of research in the
>> area of how to explore complex formulas non-visually.  To take your example
>> one possibility would reveal the outermost view as an expresson raised to a
>> fractional power. The first  inner view is that the expression is a simple
>> fraction.  Next one could explore the numerator and denominator and then
>> their individual factors.
>> >
>> > It is my understanding that both MathJax and NVDA provide for such
>> exploration via tabbing.  I don't know the details of how to do this but
>> perhaps someone else on the list can help.
>> >
>> > As for manipulating the formula in braille it might be helpful to have
>> an embossed braille copy.  Some people prefer to do braille math on a
>> Perkins so as to read several lines at once.  The Canute 360 braille
>> e-reader which has nine 40-cell lines  is just back in production so that
>> will be another option hopefully available soon.
>> >
>> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.br
>> > istolbraille.co.uk
>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fistolbraille.co.uk%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd0997de5e12b4e9e91ed08d94fdba378%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637628627048279429%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=pbWGik%2F8XAfLTsz36347J1fQIPp%2FX2GdLfUY6KX9KcI%3D&reserved=0>
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>> > Best wishes,
>> > Susan J.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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