[BlindMath] Graphiti / Graphiti Plus experiences

Sun Mar 27 23:55:19 UTC 2022

I think only people who have done hardware development can understand the cost.  I will say if some one has money to back a large quantity order they can quickly see  costs go lower than $15,0000.  It is unfortunate that a lot of the alphabet  blindness organizations have not backed companies like Orbit  and the others that are  doing this kind of development.  It would be great if any of you know a billionaire or two to get them to underwrite this kind of development.   Wouldn't it be great to see a Braille / Tactile display Project X  or something like that.  It amazes me when states spend 70 million dollars to make a new soccer stadium but we can not get all states to go together to lay 1 million or more  a state (50 million+) to back all the current display projects.  If anyone knows how to get such a project under way they could change the world for all blind people.  APH made a big dent in the braille world when they helped Orbit create the Orbit reader 20.  Now there are other low cost displays such as the Orbit Reader 40 and even things like the APH Mantis.  The prices of braille displays are finally falling.  This tactile display problem is a little bigger.  In the next couple of years there are several companies coming out with devices but I don't see the price dropping low enough that just anyone can buy them unless   we can find a way to really underwrite it.  So find your friendly billionaire, tackle him or her in an alley and let them know these companies need money.  There are at least 7 different engineering firms with something they could come up to speed with in no time and the more displays Orbit sells the more they can drop the price especially if they can get large orders.  It is just the way hardware design goes.

Ken
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From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Traci W via BlindMath
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2022 6:23 PM
To: Nicolas Spohn <nspohn0 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Graphiti / Graphiti Plus experiences

Wait, what?????  15k - dang!!

On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 12:49 PM Nicolas Spohn <nspohn0 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes it is for sale but I believe it’s $15,000 or something like that
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 27, 2022, at 12:03 PM, Traci W via BlindMath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Is the Graphiti in actual production yet?
> >
> > Traci
> >
> >> On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 11:09 PM Ken Perry via BlindMath < 
> >> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I have been involved with the development so take anything I say as 
> >> I am slightly biased since I have one and love it. That is the 
> >> Graphiti. Note the Graphiti plus. I will say though the additional 
> >> 40 cell Orbit display on the Plus excites me.  I am also 100% blind 
> >> if you don't already know me.
> >>
> >> As for using it with scatter plots. You can connect the Graphiti
> directly
> >> to
> >> a TI-84 Talking graphing calculator and it shows scatterplots well. 
> >> The display on the TI-84 is a 96 by 64. So, when it graphs to the 
> >> Graphiti
> it
> >> seems condensed because it is since the Graphiti is 60 by 40. You 
> >> can
> view
> >> it that way or you can expand it and see it as is on the calculator
> which
> >> means you must pan once to see everything. With that said it is 
> >> amazing
> how
> >> well it works.
> >>
> >> You can also view anything on the TI-84 TGC and be able to pan 
> >> through
> the
> >> graph with the cursor and values displaying on the Graphiti perfectly.
> It
> >> really is like using the Calculator sighted. I can even read the x 
> >> and y values by hand even if it is not in braille, I can read the 
> >> actual
> numbers
> >> by feel.
> >>
> >> Oh, another comment on scatter plots it's amazing on how easy it is 
> >> to
> tell
> >> how the data is trending even in a compressed 60 by 40 modes before 
> >> you expand it. You can tell if the data is trending to the positive 
> >> just by laying your firsthand the device while it graphs.
> >>
> >> You can also get a picture of a scatter plot and put it on the Graphiti.
> >> Graphiti will show almost all types of Image files with no problem.
> >>
> >> I will point out one of the cool things about the Graphiti cells is 
> >> the pins can come up while you are viewing it with your hands. This 
> >> made it
> amazing
> >> when I wrote Tetris for it. It is fun to play Tetris again.
> >>
> >> I am the one that made the video on the Graphiti with a Microscope, 
> >> and
> I
> >> can tell you, you  can see things like the cavities in an earth 
> >> worm
> and we
> >> even did a live demonstration of fungus growing on a slide which 
> >> was amazing.
> >>
> >> I am the one that made all the videos where I code with Turtle 
> >> graphics with it, and you can follow the tracks of the turtles on 
> >> the screen which is
> as
> >> amazing as when I did it sighted in High school. I am now 51 one 
> >> and
> blind
> >> so let us just say that is amazing to be able to do something I 
> >> could do sighted as good.
> >>
> >> I wrote the NVDA plugin and with that you can send the whole screen 
> >> or
> just
> >> the parts you are viewing. That plugin needs to be advanced but 
> >> that is because I do not use it much attached to NVDA. I am more 
> >> into using it
> as a
> >> tool I can code with or an HDMI monitor with things like an Xbox or
> even my
> >> raspberry PI. With that said the NVDA plugin changes how you use a
> computer
> >> because you can really make the Graphiti do about anything when it
> comes to
> >> showing you part of the screen.
> >>
> >>    With what I have done as an NVDA plugin  many people can extend 
> >> it if they wish.
> >>
> >> On that note There was also a piece of software created for a 
> >> student
> at a
> >> university called tactviz and it was made to study proteins here is 
> >> a
> cut
> >> from the read me of the software.
> >> TactViz was designed to improve the biomolecular visualization and
> analysis
> >> experience in VMD for users who are blind or visually impaired. It 
> >> was developed based on the needs of student Olivia Shaw in the 
> >> Hadden Lab at the University of Delaware. TactViz can be used with 
> >> electronic refreshable tactile display devices (e.g., Graphiti) for 
> >> interactive biomolecular visualization, Read more about it here.
> >>
> >>
> >> https://github.com/jodihadden/TactViz
> >>
> >> She also has some published papers  that also mention the Graphiti 
> >> if
> you
> >> search.
> >>
> >> There are also videos of the Graphiti and desmos if you search on 
> >> You
> tube
> >> and you can see some of the fun, they put the Graphiti through.
> >>
> >> Oh, one last thing. I have also used the Graphiti with Openscad to
> create a
> >> dumbbell shaped thing just to see if I could. It is possible and it 
> >> is something that could be improved on if someone was a 3D nut. I 
> >> am a Software engineer and have more fun writing code than making 
> >> 3D stuff, but my
> point
> >> is I would have loved to have this thing when I was in calculus to 
> >> be
> able
> >> to make my own multi-level shell shapes that I could feel on the fly.
> That
> >> is for the younger kids now that these tactile devices are coming
> online.
> >>
> >> One thing the Graphiti can do that no other device can is show 
> >> things
> with
> >> multi levels and when it comes to viewing images, which is a very
> important
> >> feature.  Anyway, since I am a bit biased, I should end this here. 
> >> I can tell you this though. My Graphiti does not sit on my table 
> >> and get no
> work.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Robin
> Williams
> >> via BlindMath
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 10:56 AM
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> >> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> >> Cc: Robin Williams <Robin.Williams at atass-sports.co.uk>
> >> Subject: [BlindMath] Graphiti / Graphiti Plus experiences
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> Does anyone on this list have experience with the Graphiti or 
> >> Graphiti
> Plus
> >> from Orbit Research?
> >> http://www.orbitresearch.com/product/graphiti-plus/
> >> I would be very interested to hear from anyone who has used one of 
> >> these devices to view graphics that are commonly used in 
> >> statistical
> research, in
> >> particular scatter plots involving many datapoints, as well as any 
> >> other interesting use cases.
> >>
> >> With thanks,
> >> Robin
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