[BlindRUG] Emacs for Statistical Applications with Screen Readers

Fri Jul 21 19:34:32 UTC 2017

Hi Jude,

I've felt your pain with the Windows 7 installation.

The good news is that Windows 10 is fully installable with speech.

Use the Microsoft Media Creation tool for Windows 10.
Burn to USB stick
Boot to USB
Then Win+Enter to launch narrator during installation

Works just as well as Mac install finally!

Best,

Ben

At 03:12 PM 7/21/2017, you wrote:
>Windows is no no computer hardware here.  If I can't do a talking 
>bare metal install of an operating system like what happens with 
>Apple's os 10.4 and up when a mac gets taken out of the packaging 
>for the first time I won't have that operating system where I 
>live.  Everything I have is Linux on towers and android on a tablet 
>and ios 10.33 is available for my iphone and I'm installing that as 
>I write.  I was using emacs with nvda on windows earlier and that 
>was Windows 7.
>
>Why I am so picky about operating system choice is malware 
>ransomware and when I need to reinstall an operating system 
>invariably I can't get sighted assistance for at least a month.
>
>On Fri, 21 Jul 2017, Liz Hare wrote:
>
>>Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 12:40:50
>>From: Liz Hare <doggene at earthlink.net>
>>To: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com>
>>Cc: Liz Hare via BlindRUG <blindrug at nfbnet.org>
>>Subject: Re: [BlindRUG] Emacs for Statistical Applications with 
>>Screen Readers
>>Thanks Jude,
>>My experience was that Window-Eyes just didn't work with Emacs very 
>>well. I'm curious about which screen you are using now for this. 
>>Are you able to do it with NVDA?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Liz
>>
>>
>>Liz Hare, PhD
>>Dog Genetics LLC
>>doggene at earthlink.net
>>http://www.doggenetics.com <http://www.doggenetics.com/>
>>>On Jul 21, 2017, at 12:14 PM, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>At first I had trouble using emacs in windows until I got 
>>>instructions on how inside emacs to locate where emacs thought its 
>>>home directory was located.  When I found that, then I knew where 
>>>to put my .emacs file. The .emacs file needs renaming to _emacs 
>>>for the windows version too.
>>>That was emacs without statistical applications running with it 
>>>and probably additional configuration details will be coming for 
>>>those packages.
>>>
>>>On Fri, 21 Jul 2017, Liz Hare via BlindRUG wrote:
>>>
>>>>Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 11:53:49
>>>>From: Liz Hare via BlindRUG <blindrug at nfbnet.org 
>>>><mailto:blindrug at nfbnet.org>>
>>>>To: Blind R Users Group <blindrug at nfbnet.org <mailto:blindrug at nfbnet.org>>
>>>>Cc: Liz Hare <doggene at earthlink.net <mailto:doggene at earthlink.net>>
>>>>Subject: Re: [BlindRUG] Emacs for Statistical Applications with 
>>>>Screen Readers
>>>>Yes, I'm very curious about how Robin is using Emacs in Windows 
>>>>with a screen reader!
>>>>
>>>>Thanks!
>>>>Liz
>>>>
>>>>Liz Hare, PhD
>>>>Dog Genetics LLC
>>>>doggene at earthlink.net
>>>>http://www.doggenetics.com <http://www.doggenetics.com/> 
>>>><http://www.doggenetics.com/ <http://www.doggenetics.com/>>
>>>>>On Jul 21, 2017, at 3:07 AM, Laxmisagar Samai via BlindRUG 
>>>>><blindrug at nfbnet.org <mailto:blindrug at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Thank you Liz,
>>>>>Robin, would be waiting for your reply.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On 7/20/17, Williams, Robin via BlindRUG <blindrug at nfbnet.org 
>>>>><mailto:blindrug at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I use R with Emacs (not Emacspeak) under windows on a daily 
>>>>>>basis, it's by
>>>>>>far my preferred method of working. I'm away on holiday this week, so am
>>>>>>very short of time. I'll reply in more detail next week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Bests
>>>>>>Robin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: BlindRUG [mailto:blindrug-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>>>>><mailto:blindrug-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Liz Hare
>>>>>>via BlindRUG
>>>>>>Sent: 20 July 2017 14:30
>>>>>>To: Blind R Users Group
>>>>>>Cc: Liz Hare
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [BlindRUG] Emacs for Statistical Applications with Screen
>>>>>>Readers
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi Laxmisagar,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think it's pretty difficult to use a screen reader with Emacs 
>>>>>>in Windows,
>>>>>>unless you can get Emacspeak running. There is a port of Emacspeak for
>>>>>>Windows but it's not in wide use and I don't have direct experience with
>>>>>>it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I do use R with Emacspeak on Mac and have also done it on 
>>>>>>Linux. Emacs has a
>>>>>>package called Emacs Speaks Statistics (ESS) that facilitates running R
>>>>>>interactively. I like this setup but it has a pretty steep learning curve
>>>>>>and I kind of learn the bits and pieces I need as I go along.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Liz
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Jul 19, 2017, at 7:02 AM, Laxmisagar Samai via BlindRUG
>>>>>>><blindrug at nfbnet.org <mailto:blindrug at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Does anyone has any experience in using Emacs as an editing
>>>>>>>application for statistical softwares like, R, SAS and STATA with
>>>>>>>screen readers on a windows machine?
>>>>>>>I request for some help.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thank you
>>>>>>>Laxmisagar
>>>>>>>Mumbai (India)
>>>>>>>
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