[BlindRUG] BlindRUG Digest, Vol 53, Issue 1

Sat Mar 6 04:36:12 UTC 2021

Well said Jonathan sir.
I am very thankful to this pandemic because often times my instructors were
very hesitant to record their lectures for me, so today they have to have
record their lectures. 😁
We must realize, this is time for evolution and fittest will survive 😂

On Sat, Mar 6, 2021, 5:58 AM Joshua Hori via BlindRUG <blindrug at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hello Ben,
>
>
>
> The graph on the site is inaccessible and is posted as an image. Many of
> the form fields aren’t labelled either. You may want to try out desmos:
> https://www.desmos.com/accessibility
>
>
>
> I too came here for a blind student and stayed for Jonathan’s wealth of
> knowledge. The below statement is true in many ways. Minor updates on web
> pages can wipe out accessibility efforts of past implementations.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Joshua
>
>
>
> Hello Ben,
>
> "accessibility" is an exercise in shifting sands, especially when it comes
> to web content.
>
> First, the owners of the site could make relatively minor changes that
> have disastrous side effects with respect to accessibility. What is said to
> be accessible today might change for the worse and in my experience, the
> access often gets outlived by the permanent archival record of someone
> saying that it is accessible.
>
> Second, what I find to be accessible might not be so for a different blind
> person whose equipment and software (not to mention experience) might mean
> their experience is considerably different to mine.
>
> For these reasons, I am loathed to offer an opinion on any web content
> that is beyond my own control, or so solid in its construction that that
> detrimental change is almost impossible.
>
>
> I'd also pose the question of what is meant by "access". In far too many
> situations, people (even some blind people) think that access means using
> the exact same solution as a sighted person. Personally, I find the idea
> that all students are homogeneous rather unsustainable, so my teaching has
> to accommodate the plethora of learning styles.
>
> Sometimes, and the use of spreadsheets as a substitute for printed tables
> is a great example, the solution is considerably harder than making use of
> a sighted assistant. For example, If I say to an assistant, come down to
> the row for z=1.9 and then across to the column for 0.06, they should then
> be able to read 0.9750 to me. That is considerably faster than the same
> exercise undertaken by arrowing around a spreadsheet. To communicate with
> that sighted person demonstrated I know how the table works. In an exam or
> test environment, I'd forego the independence without blinking an eye. If
> however I was up late at night trying to finish my homework or assignment,
> I'd want a solution that requires no human assistance.
> To have one solution that works in both scenarios must surely be more
> efficient and possibly more effective, especially if it is part of a long
> term solution.
>
> HTH
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindRUG <blindrug-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Ward, Elizabeth
> - wardex via BlindRUG
> Sent: Saturday, 6 March 2021 2:55 AM
> To: Blind R Users Group <blindrug at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Ward, Elizabeth - wardex <wardex at jmu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [BlindRUG] BlindRUG Digest, Vol 53, Issue 1
>
> I am a sighted professor of statistics who teaches introductory statistics
> (I'm on this mailing list because I had a blind student and became
> interested in accessibility for R). I usually teach a few examples using
> the table, just because it seems like students are expected to know it.
> Then, I switch to having them use an online app, calculator or R.  I often
> suggest the app in the following link, but I'm not sure how accessible it
> is. Maybe someone could use their screen reader to look and let me know?
> https://www.webassign.net/csalt/#/toolset/distributions
>
> Best Wishes,
> Ben
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Hello Jonathan,
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> Thank you for your response. As a blind person in a society that often has
> low expectations, it's hard to know whether using a calculator or R is an
> excuse to not learn the skill of reading the Z table. Like some blind
> people have people take class notes for them because they can't read and
> write independently. I suppose you're saying this is a case where blindness
> actually does make it harder?
>
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