[Blindtlk] Counting Steps
Marion & Martin
swampfox1833 at verizon.net
Mon Jun 1 16:49:46 UTC 2009
Gary,
It seemed to me that the first mention of counting steps was referring
to actual, literal steps up or down in a venue like a ballpark or concert
hall, not the steps taken by a person one foot in front of the other. I've
never counted my steps before; rather, I have relied upon other physical
cues. I guess if it works, then it is a valid technique.
Fraternally,
Marion Gwizdala
----- Original Message -----
From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
> Interesting. I've honestly, never tried the technique. Good to know it
> can work. I assumed it had been disproven, or at least, not encouraged.
> Well. We know what happens when one does that assume thing?
> Hi. I'm Trish.
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net
>>To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>Date sent: Sat, 30 May 2009 09:21:41 -0500
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>
>>When one counts steps, he doesn't count the steps of others - he
> counts his
>>own. There may indeed be some variability even with ones own
> steps but it is
>>not significant. If I think something is forty steps from the
> turn, I start
>>looking for my door at step 38.
>
>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net
>>To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 10:23 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>
>
>>>I thought counting steps went out 100-years-ago, when the "mental
> giants,
>>>so called experts" figured out that not everyones steps were
> equal or
>>>always the same measure of stride? Looking on the bright side,
> we'll
>>>always be called to educate. Changing the world, one ignant mofo
> at a
>>>time.
>
>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Sarah Baughn" <sarahb006 at comcast.net
>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>Date sent: Thu, 28 May 2009 10:44:25 -0700
>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>
>>>>Oh, yeah, I hate that one. I remember being taught in the first
>>> grade to
>>>>count steps, and then in the third grade or so, I started being
>>> taught to
>>>>use a cane, and I have never counted steps since. I hate it when
>>> people
>>>>think that we count steps, and I suspect that the reason that one
>>> of the
>>>>people in the school faculty wanted me to learn to count steps is
>>> that they
>>>>didn't know that blind people didn't do that, because they
>>> weren't exposed
>>>>to blind people before me, as I was the only blind person in the
>>> school.
>>>>Sarah
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "dewey bradley" <dewey.bradley at gmail.com
>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:51 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>
>
>>>>> Allot of blind people like to touch because the blind schools
>>> never told
>>>>> them that you can't do that.
>>>>> I know with the one I whent to did that, The parants will let
>>> the schools
>>>>> raise the kids.
>>>>> I know of allot of people that came out, and they will touch and
>>> rock, and
>>>>> shake there heads all the time, and people see that and think we
>>> are all
>>>>> like that.
>>>>> Or they think we count steps.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net
>>>>> To: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>; "NFBnet Blind Talk
>>> Mailing
>>>>> List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 8:51 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>
>
>>>>>> Look "normal?" That's open to individual interpffetation. I,
>>>>>> unfortunately, think it sucks to appear blind, or worse, to
>>> appear blind
>>>>>> and helpless, or lost. I realize that these are manageable
>>> stresses, but
>>>>>> man! That'll weigh on a Soul!
>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net
>>>>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>Date sent: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:41:55 -0500
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>
>>>>>>>Can you ever say that again Trish.
>
>>>>>>>This very morning, for example, I was at the doctor's office
>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>officially discharged, (from an auto accident in which I was) and
>>>>>> I heard
>>>>>>>the receptionist saying "hi". Her face was turned to me, and so,
>>>>>> I reckoned
>>>>>>>she was addressing me; but no. She was talking on the phone. I
>>>>>> guess maybe
>>>>>>>turning one's face toward the person just isn't enough sometimes;
>>>>>> but, I
>>>>>>>think that it stands you a better chance of looking normal if you
>>>>>> do so.
>
>>>>>>>So far as touching is concerned, My girlfriend just loves a nice
>>>>>> very long
>>>>>>>rub on the soles of her callused constantly bare feet; but, I
>>>>>> don't go for
>>>>>>>the stereotypical blind monster who has only sockets for eyes and
>>>>>> feels all
>>>>>>>over people's faces; yuck!!!
>
>>>>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>>>>The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>
>>>>>>>"Old friend, what are you looking for? After those many years
>>>>>> abroad you
>>>>>>>come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from
>>>>>> your own land"
>>>>>>>George Seferis
>
>>>>>>>Phone or Fax::
>>>>>>>+1 (985) 360-3614
>>>>>>>Cell:
>>>>>>>+1 (985) 719-2938
>>>>>>>e-mail:
>>>>>>>rforetjratcomcastdotnet
>>>>>>>Skype Name:
>>>>>>>barefootedray
>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net
>>>>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 6:47 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>
>
>>>>>>>I hate it when that happens! I walk to the appointment desk, the
>>>>>>>lady behind it says "hi", I start to state my name, and the
>>>>>>>person I'm with says "she's on the phone." Grrrr!
>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net
>>>>>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>Date sent: Tue, 26 May 2009 14:21:43 -0400
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>
>>>>>>>>Diane,
>
>>>>>>>>I am not a person who readily hugs or touches others. But, I
>>>>>>>don't mind if
>>>>>>>>someone touches my arm or wants a hug. I think, when it comes to
>>>>>>>someone,
>>>>>>>>like a waitress speaking, it would be easier if they would touch
>>>>>>>a shoulder
>>>>>>>>or my hand. There have been times when someone is talking to me,
>>>>>>>but I
>>>>>>>>didn't know it, or they might have been talking to someone else,
>>>>>>>near me,
>>>>>>>>and I respond. That's sometimes difficult. Most of the time,
>>>>>>>you can tell
>>>>>>>>if someone is looking toward you when they're speaking. But, if
>>>>>>>there's
>>>>>>>>someone else, in the same direction, it's hard to know,
>>>>>>>specifically, who
>>>>>>>>they're looking at.
>
>>>>>>>>This is turning out to be a very interesting topic.
>
>>>>>>>>Cindy
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov
>>>>>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:41 AM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>
>
>>>>>>>>HI Paul,
>
>>>>>>>>This is an interesting topic and it also gets pretty complicated,
>>>>>>>at
>>>>>>>>least where I am concerned.
>
>>>>>>>>As far as your question about making that initial contact, I
>>>>>>>would say
>>>>>>>>it is very appropriate. I would most certainly prefer a light
>>>>>>>touch on
>>>>>>>>my shoulder than having someone talk to someone who is with me,
>>>>>>>>inquiring as to what I might like to order, as if I weren't
>>>>>>>there, or as
>>>>>>>>if I were a child. I do not object to this at all.
>
>>>>>>>>I have noted in this discussion that there are several people who
>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>said they don't like to be touched. I have the opposite problem.
>>>>>>>>Whether it has anything to do with blindness or not, I really
>>>>>>>don't
>>>>>>>>know, but I am a person who is tactile, and or affectionate with
>>>>>>>people
>>>>>>>>that I know.
>
>>>>>>>>This is gotten me crossways with several people, as I have
>>>>>>>learned,
>>>>>>>>sometimes the hard way, that some of us don't' appreciate being
>>>>>>>touched.
>
>>>>>>>>As a tactile person myself, that is something that I have a real
>>>>>>>hard
>>>>>>>>time fathoming or remembering. I don't grab and cling to
>>>>>>>strangers by
>>>>>>>>any means, but when there is a person who I know, like or
>>>>>>>associate
>>>>>>>>with, it is not uncommon for me to reach out and want to hug
>>>>>>>someone or
>>>>>>>>look at their hairstyle, or place a hand gently on their arm or
>>>>>>>shoulder
>>>>>>>>when speaking to them. I also welcome warm handshakes, hugs, and
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>like from those whom I consider friends and associates. I have
>>>>>>>had to
>>>>>>>>learn that some people object to this, and it isn't always easy
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>remember.
>
>>>>>>>>Now, like I said, it gets complicated, because what I do object
>>>>>>>to is
>>>>>>>>those well meaning sighted people, many of them strangers, who
>>>>>>>want to
>>>>>>>>grab me or my clothes or coat or whatever, thinking that they are
>>>>>>>>helping to guide me or saving me from falling off a curb or
>>>>>>>something
>>>>>>>>like that.
>
>>>>>>>>There is a lady who does this every day at the bus stop in the
>>>>>>>evening,
>>>>>>>>and I just want to slap her sometimes. They wouldn't take
>>>>>>>liberties
>>>>>>>>with and/or manhandle a sighted person like that, and I do not
>>>>>>>>appreciate it either.
>
>>>>>>>>Diane Graves
>>>>>>>>Civil Rights Specialist
>>>>>>>>Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>>>>>>>Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>>>>>>>317-232-2647
>
>>>>>>>>"IT is service that measures success."
>>>>>>>>George Washington Carver
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>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>On Behalf Of Weingartner, Paul
>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:02 AM
>>>>>>>>To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>
>>>>>>>> This is an interesting topic that is very helpful because of the
>>>>>>>>candidness of the respondents. Because of that I would like to
>>>>>>>ask a
>>>>>>>>question.
>>>>>>>>Sighted people use eye contact to initiate communication.
>>>>>>>Obviously,
>>>>>>>>that does not work for initiating communication with a person who
>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>blind. That is why it is awkward for a waitress in a restaurant
>>>>>>>or for
>>>>>>>>a stranger in a mall to make first contact in a way to know the
>>>>>>>speaker
>>>>>>>>is addressing the person who is blind.
>>>>>>>>A number of totally blind friends recommend a light quick touch
>>>>>>>to let
>>>>>>>>them know they are the person being addressed, so that is what I
>>>>>>>>recommend. I was wondering what some or you think.
>>>>>>>>Also, many people who are totally blind like to hold and cling
>>>>>>>during a
>>>>>>>>conversation. That can get pretty awkward and down right
>>>>>>>embarrassing a
>>>>>>>>times.
>>>>>>>>I would appreciate your thoughts.
>
>
>>>>>>>>Paul Weingartner
>>>>>>>>Making the Cross Accessible
>>>>>>>>Center for the Blind of the Assemblies of God
>>>>>>>>P 417.831.1964 F 417.862.5120
>>>>>>>>www.blind.ag.org
>>>>>>>>www.blindonline.ag.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>On Behalf Of Steve P. Deeley
>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 7:47 AM
>>>>>>>>To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>
>>>>>>>>It has nothing to do with blindness in my case. I just hate
>>>>>>>being
>>>>>>>>touched.
>
>>>>>>>>Steve
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>From: "dewey bradley" <dewey.bradley at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 8:40 PM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>
>
>>>>>>>>> Allot of sighted people think that they can't talk to us without
>>>>>>>>putting
>>>>>>>>> there hands on us.
>>>>>>>>> The thing is allot of people like my self really hate to be
>>>>>>>touched,
>>>>>>>>When
>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>> ask them to please take there hands off, they get mad.
>>>>>>>>> I guess there is no across the board answer for things like
>>>>>>>this.
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com
>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:42 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>
>
>>>>>>>>>> This is a very complicated topic. There are those, like me, who
>>>>>>>>don't
>>>>>>>>>> like being touched during conversations with individuals I
>>>>>>>really
>>>>>>>>don't
>>>>>>>>>> know very well. I'm wondering if blind individuals understand
>>>>>>>>spacial
>>>>>>>>>> concepts during conversations. You don't want to be too close
>>>>>>>during
>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>> conversation or too far away. I suspect most of us who
>>>>>>>understand
>>>>>>>>this
>>>>>>>>>> art have had some coaching from sighted individuals whom they
>>>>>>>trust.
>>>>>>>>>> \
>>>>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 10:46 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>I was raised giving and receiving warm hand shakes, or in some
>>>>>>>>>>> situations, embraces and or kisses, all of which seem to me to
>>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>>>>> quite germ spreading! I like the bowing idea a lot!
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>From: Joel Zimba <jzimba at cavtel.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>Date sent: Sat, 23 May 2009 17:08:35 -0400
>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi,
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I love these kinds of topics. I believe the issue of blind or
>>>>>>>>>>> sighted
>>>>>>>>>>>>is mostly meaningless when it comes to whether you should touch
>>>>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>or not. It comes down more to how comfortable you are with what
>>>>>>>>>>> you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>doing and your motivation for it.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>The examples of folks talking with their hands is a great one.
>>>>>>>>>>> It's not
>>>>>>>>>>>>so much that they talk with their hands, but that touching is a
>>>>>>>>>>> means of
>>>>>>>>>>>>communication. In fact, if you are comfortable enough with
>>>>>>>>>>> yurself to
>>>>>>>>>>>>touch someone else while speaking to them, you'll pull them into
>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>paradigm. This is common wisdom in the sales world.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>For the blind among us, (myself included) this is most easily
>>>>>>>>>>> donw with
>>>>>>>>>>>>the back of the hand and making solid contact.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>When it comes to shaking hands, I decided to take the initiative
>>>>>>>>>>> early
>>>>>>>>>>>>and often. When someone doesn't take my hand, I leave it out
>>>>>>>>>>> there and
>>>>>>>>>>>>then eventually start snapping my fingers. This calls attention
>>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>fact that the other people are not playing the social game. I
>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>taught that it is not obligatory for women to shake hands. Long
>>>>>>>>>>> ago I
>>>>>>>>>>>>decided that if women want equal rights, they can do the glad
>>>>>>>>>>> handing as
>>>>>>>>>>>>well, so I expect them to shake and I do the snapping as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>>>>sometimes let the elderly off the hook, though oddly, the older
>>>>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>is, the more likely they are to initiate or take my hand.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Proper
>>>>>>>>>>>>conduct seems to not always be taught to the younger generation.
>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>>we all need to go back to finishing school.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Now, if someone could explain the bowing protocol to me so that
>>>>>>>>>>> my Asian
>>>>>>>>>>>>friends would be surprised and pleased by my manners, I would be
>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>greatful.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Joel
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On 5/23/2009 12:40 PM, Jeffrey Schwartz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Gerardo,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am also blind as a result of RP and a clinical psychologist.
>>>>>>>>>>> My vision
>>>>>>>>>>>>> deteriorated at a different pace. I drove a car until I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 27
>>>>>>>>>>> and did not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> require adaptive technology to read and write until I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>> 40. Now, at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 61, I have little more than light perception. When younger, I
>>>>>>>>>>> was often
>>>>>>>>>>>>> embarrassed when my wife kindly noted that someone was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reaching
>>>>>>>>>>> out to shake
>>>>>>>>>>>>> my hand and I was not noticing. Eventually, I learned to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> avoid
>>>>>>>>>>> this problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>> by taking the initiative. On occasion I reach out to discover
>>>>>>>>>>> that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> person has quickly turned their back or departed, no big deal.
>>>>>>>>>>> I have had
>>>>>>>>>>>>> no experience with the touching. There are cultural
>>>>>>>>>>>>> differences
>>>>>>>>>>> in such
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nonverbal behaviors. For example, cultures vary in terms of
>>>>>>>>>>> what is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> regarded as personal space. Groups vary in terms of how close
>>>>>>>>>>> they stand to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> each other when speaking, and also with regard to touching
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>> is common
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in some cultures and taboo in others. Perhaps your blindness
>>>>>>>>>>> has led you to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> exceed what is common in your culture or your parents may have
>>>>>>>>>>> felt bad for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you when they saw you reach out to touch someone and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>>>>> departed. There are also a group of behaviors known as
>>>>>>>>>>> blindisms. We all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> conduct little rituals of personal hygiene when alone which we
>>>>>>>>>>> would not do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in front of others. There is a tendency, particularly if one
>>>>>>>>>>> loses their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> vision gradually to assume that others see as we do. I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>> often
>>>>>>>>>>> surprised
>>>>>>>>>>>>> by what others can see. We assume that if we can't see
>>>>>>>>>>> something others can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not either. This can lead us to embarrass ourselves by
>>>>>>>>>>> performing these
>>>>>>>>>>>>> grooming rituals in public. Recently, I have noticed that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>> I am walking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and thinking about a conversation which I had or will have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> someone, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> am moving my lips as if I were speaking. I am working on
>>>>>>>>>>> suppressing this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> behavior as I am certain that the sighted would see it as
>>>>>>>>>>> strange. Behavior
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is so ritualized, and blindness can lead us to engage in some
>>>>>>>>>>> peculiar ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As professionals, in particular, we don't want to be seen as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> odd
>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiosyncratic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Cindy Handel
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 9:55 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings;Behaviors in adults blind
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gerardo,
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most of the time, when I would like to shake the hand of a
>>>>>>>>>>> sighted person, I
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just extend my hand and they grasp it and we shake hands.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as touching the arm of people, I've never done this.
>>>>>>>>>>> When do you do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this? If you're talking with someone, it shouldn't be
>>>>>>>>>>> necessary, since
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they're participating in the conversation. I think we've all
>>>>>>>>>>> experienced a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> time when we're talking to someone and learn that they walked
>>>>>>>>>>> away. Now, if
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're referring to touching a person's arm to make sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they're
>>>>>>>>>>> still there
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a way to insure that you still have their attention, that's
>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>> different. I have met sighted people who talk with their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hands
>>>>>>>>>>> and touch my
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> arm or shoulder, for emphasis. So, that might not be so
>>>>>>>>>>> unusual.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Gerardo Corripio"<gera1027 at prodigy.net.mx
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Blind-Talk"<blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:35 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Greetings;Behaviors in adults blind
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi listers:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm Gerardo from Mexico; 31 years old and a Psychologist
>>>>>>>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>>>>> on my own
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in my private practice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hopefully I'll be able to learn lots of great things from you
>>>>>>>>>>> guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially of the NFB way of viewing and living with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> blindness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now for my debut question: I've been blind all my life due to
>>>>>>>>>>> RP; since I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was a teenager I remember developing a habbit of touching the
>>>>>>>>>>> arm of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people constanly to be sure he/she was still there. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> continued
>>>>>>>>>>> to do this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> into adulthood until my family made the observation that this
>>>>>>>>>>> behavior isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen well by the sighted only a few days ago. I'm still
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shocked
>>>>>>>>>>> by this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> observation to the point that now how to know if the person is
>>>>>>>>>>> still there?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, the voice gives feedback but when people talk it feels as
>>>>>>>>>>> if they're
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there but aren't there. How have you coped with this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> situation
>>>>>>>>>>> in that you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to get rid of the habbit before-mentioned? Surely it has
>>>>>>>>>>> happened to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> some of you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> also when shaking hands with sighted people how to find the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand
>>>>>>>>>>> to shake if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sighted person doesn't take the initiative?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As you can see I've still have lots of tips and tricks to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> blindness, thus my interest in joining the list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gerardo
>
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