[Blindtlk] Counting Steps
Gary Wunder
gwunder at earthlink.net
Mon Jun 1 18:17:43 UTC 2009
It only works if you can learn to do it as, if you will forgive some
computer terminology, a background task. If I couldn't do it and chat with
someone or think about something of interest on the news or even contemplate
the deep dark secrets of life, then I wouldn't consider it useful. I don't
much care for any technique which takes all my attention.
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 11:49 AM
Subject: [Blindtlk] Counting Steps
> Gary,
> It seemed to me that the first mention of counting steps was referring
> to actual, literal steps up or down in a venue like a ballpark or concert
> hall, not the steps taken by a person one foot in front of the other. I've
> never counted my steps before; rather, I have relied upon other physical
> cues. I guess if it works, then it is a valid technique.
>
> Fraternally,
> Marion Gwizdala
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 6:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>
>
>> Interesting. I've honestly, never tried the technique. Good to know it
>> can work. I assumed it had been disproven, or at least, not encouraged.
>> Well. We know what happens when one does that assume thing?
>> Hi. I'm Trish.
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net
>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>Date sent: Sat, 30 May 2009 09:21:41 -0500
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>
>>>When one counts steps, he doesn't count the steps of others - he
>> counts his
>>>own. There may indeed be some variability even with ones own
>> steps but it is
>>>not significant. If I think something is forty steps from the
>> turn, I start
>>>looking for my door at step 38.
>>
>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net
>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 10:23 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>
>>
>>>>I thought counting steps went out 100-years-ago, when the "mental
>> giants,
>>>>so called experts" figured out that not everyones steps were
>> equal or
>>>>always the same measure of stride? Looking on the bright side,
>> we'll
>>>>always be called to educate. Changing the world, one ignant mofo
>> at a
>>>>time.
>>
>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Sarah Baughn" <sarahb006 at comcast.net
>>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>Date sent: Thu, 28 May 2009 10:44:25 -0700
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>
>>>>>Oh, yeah, I hate that one. I remember being taught in the first
>>>> grade to
>>>>>count steps, and then in the third grade or so, I started being
>>>> taught to
>>>>>use a cane, and I have never counted steps since. I hate it when
>>>> people
>>>>>think that we count steps, and I suspect that the reason that one
>>>> of the
>>>>>people in the school faculty wanted me to learn to count steps is
>>>> that they
>>>>>didn't know that blind people didn't do that, because they
>>>> weren't exposed
>>>>>to blind people before me, as I was the only blind person in the
>>>> school.
>>>>>Sarah
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "dewey bradley" <dewey.bradley at gmail.com
>>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:51 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>
>>
>>>>>> Allot of blind people like to touch because the blind schools
>>>> never told
>>>>>> them that you can't do that.
>>>>>> I know with the one I whent to did that, The parants will let
>>>> the schools
>>>>>> raise the kids.
>>>>>> I know of allot of people that came out, and they will touch and
>>>> rock, and
>>>>>> shake there heads all the time, and people see that and think we
>>>> are all
>>>>>> like that.
>>>>>> Or they think we count steps.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net
>>>>>> To: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>; "NFBnet Blind Talk
>>>> Mailing
>>>>>> List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 8:51 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>
>>
>>>>>>> Look "normal?" That's open to individual interpffetation. I,
>>>>>>> unfortunately, think it sucks to appear blind, or worse, to
>>>> appear blind
>>>>>>> and helpless, or lost. I realize that these are manageable
>>>> stresses, but
>>>>>>> man! That'll weigh on a Soul!
>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net
>>>>>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>Date sent: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:41:55 -0500
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>
>>>>>>>>Can you ever say that again Trish.
>>
>>>>>>>>This very morning, for example, I was at the doctor's office
>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>officially discharged, (from an auto accident in which I was) and
>>>>>>> I heard
>>>>>>>>the receptionist saying "hi". Her face was turned to me, and so,
>>>>>>> I reckoned
>>>>>>>>she was addressing me; but no. She was talking on the phone. I
>>>>>>> guess maybe
>>>>>>>>turning one's face toward the person just isn't enough sometimes;
>>>>>>> but, I
>>>>>>>>think that it stands you a better chance of looking normal if you
>>>>>>> do so.
>>
>>>>>>>>So far as touching is concerned, My girlfriend just loves a nice
>>>>>>> very long
>>>>>>>>rub on the soles of her callused constantly bare feet; but, I
>>>>>>> don't go for
>>>>>>>>the stereotypical blind monster who has only sockets for eyes and
>>>>>>> feels all
>>>>>>>>over people's faces; yuck!!!
>>
>>>>>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>>
>>>>>>>>"Old friend, what are you looking for? After those many years
>>>>>>> abroad you
>>>>>>>>come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from
>>>>>>> your own land"
>>>>>>>>George Seferis
>>
>>>>>>>>Phone or Fax::
>>>>>>>>+1 (985) 360-3614
>>>>>>>>Cell:
>>>>>>>>+1 (985) 719-2938
>>>>>>>>e-mail:
>>>>>>>>rforetjratcomcastdotnet
>>>>>>>>Skype Name:
>>>>>>>>barefootedray
>>
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net
>>>>>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 6:47 PM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>I hate it when that happens! I walk to the appointment desk, the
>>>>>>>>lady behind it says "hi", I start to state my name, and the
>>>>>>>>person I'm with says "she's on the phone." Grrrr!
>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net
>>>>>>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>Date sent: Tue, 26 May 2009 14:21:43 -0400
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>
>>>>>>>>>Diane,
>>
>>>>>>>>>I am not a person who readily hugs or touches others. But, I
>>>>>>>>don't mind if
>>>>>>>>>someone touches my arm or wants a hug. I think, when it comes to
>>>>>>>>someone,
>>>>>>>>>like a waitress speaking, it would be easier if they would touch
>>>>>>>>a shoulder
>>>>>>>>>or my hand. There have been times when someone is talking to me,
>>>>>>>>but I
>>>>>>>>>didn't know it, or they might have been talking to someone else,
>>>>>>>>near me,
>>>>>>>>>and I respond. That's sometimes difficult. Most of the time,
>>>>>>>>you can tell
>>>>>>>>>if someone is looking toward you when they're speaking. But, if
>>>>>>>>there's
>>>>>>>>>someone else, in the same direction, it's hard to know,
>>>>>>>>specifically, who
>>>>>>>>>they're looking at.
>>
>>>>>>>>>This is turning out to be a very interesting topic.
>>
>>>>>>>>>Cindy
>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov
>>>>>>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:41 AM
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>HI Paul,
>>
>>>>>>>>>This is an interesting topic and it also gets pretty complicated,
>>>>>>>>at
>>>>>>>>>least where I am concerned.
>>
>>>>>>>>>As far as your question about making that initial contact, I
>>>>>>>>would say
>>>>>>>>>it is very appropriate. I would most certainly prefer a light
>>>>>>>>touch on
>>>>>>>>>my shoulder than having someone talk to someone who is with me,
>>>>>>>>>inquiring as to what I might like to order, as if I weren't
>>>>>>>>there, or as
>>>>>>>>>if I were a child. I do not object to this at all.
>>
>>>>>>>>>I have noted in this discussion that there are several people who
>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>said they don't like to be touched. I have the opposite problem.
>>>>>>>>>Whether it has anything to do with blindness or not, I really
>>>>>>>>don't
>>>>>>>>>know, but I am a person who is tactile, and or affectionate with
>>>>>>>>people
>>>>>>>>>that I know.
>>
>>>>>>>>>This is gotten me crossways with several people, as I have
>>>>>>>>learned,
>>>>>>>>>sometimes the hard way, that some of us don't' appreciate being
>>>>>>>>touched.
>>
>>>>>>>>>As a tactile person myself, that is something that I have a real
>>>>>>>>hard
>>>>>>>>>time fathoming or remembering. I don't grab and cling to
>>>>>>>>strangers by
>>>>>>>>>any means, but when there is a person who I know, like or
>>>>>>>>associate
>>>>>>>>>with, it is not uncommon for me to reach out and want to hug
>>>>>>>>someone or
>>>>>>>>>look at their hairstyle, or place a hand gently on their arm or
>>>>>>>>shoulder
>>>>>>>>>when speaking to them. I also welcome warm handshakes, hugs, and
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>like from those whom I consider friends and associates. I have
>>>>>>>>had to
>>>>>>>>>learn that some people object to this, and it isn't always easy
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>remember.
>>
>>>>>>>>>Now, like I said, it gets complicated, because what I do object
>>>>>>>>to is
>>>>>>>>>those well meaning sighted people, many of them strangers, who
>>>>>>>>want to
>>>>>>>>>grab me or my clothes or coat or whatever, thinking that they are
>>>>>>>>>helping to guide me or saving me from falling off a curb or
>>>>>>>>something
>>>>>>>>>like that.
>>
>>>>>>>>>There is a lady who does this every day at the bus stop in the
>>>>>>>>evening,
>>>>>>>>>and I just want to slap her sometimes. They wouldn't take
>>>>>>>>liberties
>>>>>>>>>with and/or manhandle a sighted person like that, and I do not
>>>>>>>>>appreciate it either.
>>
>>>>>>>>>Diane Graves
>>>>>>>>>Civil Rights Specialist
>>>>>>>>>Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>>>>>>>>Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>>>>>>>>317-232-2647
>>
>>>>>>>>>"IT is service that measures success."
>>>>>>>>>George Washington Carver
>>
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>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>On Behalf Of Weingartner, Paul
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:02 AM
>>>>>>>>>To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>
>>>>>>>>> This is an interesting topic that is very helpful because of the
>>>>>>>>>candidness of the respondents. Because of that I would like to
>>>>>>>>ask a
>>>>>>>>>question.
>>>>>>>>>Sighted people use eye contact to initiate communication.
>>>>>>>>Obviously,
>>>>>>>>>that does not work for initiating communication with a person who
>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>blind. That is why it is awkward for a waitress in a restaurant
>>>>>>>>or for
>>>>>>>>>a stranger in a mall to make first contact in a way to know the
>>>>>>>>speaker
>>>>>>>>>is addressing the person who is blind.
>>>>>>>>>A number of totally blind friends recommend a light quick touch
>>>>>>>>to let
>>>>>>>>>them know they are the person being addressed, so that is what I
>>>>>>>>>recommend. I was wondering what some or you think.
>>>>>>>>>Also, many people who are totally blind like to hold and cling
>>>>>>>>during a
>>>>>>>>>conversation. That can get pretty awkward and down right
>>>>>>>>embarrassing a
>>>>>>>>>times.
>>>>>>>>>I would appreciate your thoughts.
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>Paul Weingartner
>>>>>>>>>Making the Cross Accessible
>>>>>>>>>Center for the Blind of the Assemblies of God
>>>>>>>>>P 417.831.1964 F 417.862.5120
>>>>>>>>>www.blind.ag.org
>>>>>>>>>www.blindonline.ag.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>On Behalf Of Steve P. Deeley
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 7:47 AM
>>>>>>>>>To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>
>>>>>>>>>It has nothing to do with blindness in my case. I just hate
>>>>>>>>being
>>>>>>>>>touched.
>>
>>>>>>>>>Steve
>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>From: "dewey bradley" <dewey.bradley at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 8:40 PM
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Allot of sighted people think that they can't talk to us without
>>>>>>>>>putting
>>>>>>>>>> there hands on us.
>>>>>>>>>> The thing is allot of people like my self really hate to be
>>>>>>>>touched,
>>>>>>>>>When
>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>> ask them to please take there hands off, they get mad.
>>>>>>>>>> I guess there is no across the board answer for things like
>>>>>>>>this.
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:42 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is a very complicated topic. There are those, like me, who
>>>>>>>>>don't
>>>>>>>>>>> like being touched during conversations with individuals I
>>>>>>>>really
>>>>>>>>>don't
>>>>>>>>>>> know very well. I'm wondering if blind individuals understand
>>>>>>>>>spacial
>>>>>>>>>>> concepts during conversations. You don't want to be too close
>>>>>>>>during
>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>> conversation or too far away. I suspect most of us who
>>>>>>>>understand
>>>>>>>>>this
>>>>>>>>>>> art have had some coaching from sighted individuals whom they
>>>>>>>>trust.
>>>>>>>>>>> \
>>>>>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 10:46 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I was raised giving and receiving warm hand shakes, or in some
>>>>>>>>>>>> situations, embraces and or kisses, all of which seem to me to
>>>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>>>>>> quite germ spreading! I like the bowing idea a lot!
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>From: Joel Zimba <jzimba at cavtel.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Date sent: Sat, 23 May 2009 17:08:35 -0400
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi,
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I love these kinds of topics. I believe the issue of blind or
>>>>>>>>>>>> sighted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>is mostly meaningless when it comes to whether you should touch
>>>>>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>or not. It comes down more to how comfortable you are with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>what
>>>>>>>>>>>> you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>doing and your motivation for it.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>The examples of folks talking with their hands is a great one.
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>so much that they talk with their hands, but that touching is a
>>>>>>>>>>>> means of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>communication. In fact, if you are comfortable enough with
>>>>>>>>>>>> yurself to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>touch someone else while speaking to them, you'll pull them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>into
>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>paradigm. This is common wisdom in the sales world.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>For the blind among us, (myself included) this is most easily
>>>>>>>>>>>> donw with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>the back of the hand and making solid contact.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>When it comes to shaking hands, I decided to take the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>initiative
>>>>>>>>>>>> early
>>>>>>>>>>>>>and often. When someone doesn't take my hand, I leave it out
>>>>>>>>>>>> there and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>then eventually start snapping my fingers. This calls
>>>>>>>>>>>>>attention
>>>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>fact that the other people are not playing the social game. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>taught that it is not obligatory for women to shake hands.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Long
>>>>>>>>>>>> ago I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>decided that if women want equal rights, they can do the glad
>>>>>>>>>>>> handing as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>well, so I expect them to shake and I do the snapping as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>sometimes let the elderly off the hook, though oddly, the older
>>>>>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>is, the more likely they are to initiate or take my hand.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Proper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>conduct seems to not always be taught to the younger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>generation.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>we all need to go back to finishing school.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Now, if someone could explain the bowing protocol to me so that
>>>>>>>>>>>> my Asian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>friends would be surprised and pleased by my manners, I would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>greatful.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Joel
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On 5/23/2009 12:40 PM, Jeffrey Schwartz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Gerardo,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am also blind as a result of RP and a clinical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> psychologist.
>>>>>>>>>>>> My vision
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deteriorated at a different pace. I drove a car until I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 27
>>>>>>>>>>>> and did not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> require adaptive technology to read and write until I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>> 40. Now, at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 61, I have little more than light perception. When younger,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> was often
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> embarrassed when my wife kindly noted that someone was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reaching
>>>>>>>>>>>> out to shake
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my hand and I was not noticing. Eventually, I learned to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> avoid
>>>>>>>>>>>> this problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by taking the initiative. On occasion I reach out to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discover
>>>>>>>>>>>> that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person has quickly turned their back or departed, no big
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deal.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no experience with the touching. There are cultural
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differences
>>>>>>>>>>>> in such
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nonverbal behaviors. For example, cultures vary in terms of
>>>>>>>>>>>> what is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regarded as personal space. Groups vary in terms of how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> close
>>>>>>>>>>>> they stand to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each other when speaking, and also with regard to touching
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>> is common
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in some cultures and taboo in others. Perhaps your blindness
>>>>>>>>>>>> has led you to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exceed what is common in your culture or your parents may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>> felt bad for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you when they saw you reach out to touch someone and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> departed. There are also a group of behaviors known as
>>>>>>>>>>>> blindisms. We all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conduct little rituals of personal hygiene when alone which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>> would not do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in front of others. There is a tendency, particularly if one
>>>>>>>>>>>> loses their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vision gradually to assume that others see as we do. I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> often
>>>>>>>>>>>> surprised
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by what others can see. We assume that if we can't see
>>>>>>>>>>>> something others can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not either. This can lead us to embarrass ourselves by
>>>>>>>>>>>> performing these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grooming rituals in public. Recently, I have noticed that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am walking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and thinking about a conversation which I had or will have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> someone, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am moving my lips as if I were speaking. I am working on
>>>>>>>>>>>> suppressing this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behavior as I am certain that the sighted would see it as
>>>>>>>>>>>> strange. Behavior
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is so ritualized, and blindness can lead us to engage in some
>>>>>>>>>>>> peculiar ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As professionals, in particular, we don't want to be seen as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> odd
>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiosyncratic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Cindy Handel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 9:55 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings;Behaviors in adults blind
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gerardo,
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most of the time, when I would like to shake the hand of a
>>>>>>>>>>>> sighted person, I
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just extend my hand and they grasp it and we shake hands.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as touching the arm of people, I've never done this.
>>>>>>>>>>>> When do you do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this? If you're talking with someone, it shouldn't be
>>>>>>>>>>>> necessary, since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they're participating in the conversation. I think we've all
>>>>>>>>>>>> experienced a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time when we're talking to someone and learn that they walked
>>>>>>>>>>>> away. Now, if
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're referring to touching a person's arm to make sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they're
>>>>>>>>>>>> still there
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a way to insure that you still have their attention,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different. I have met sighted people who talk with their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hands
>>>>>>>>>>>> and touch my
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arm or shoulder, for emphasis. So, that might not be so
>>>>>>>>>>>> unusual.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Gerardo Corripio"<gera1027 at prodigy.net.mx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Blind-Talk"<blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:35 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Greetings;Behaviors in adults blind
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi listers:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm Gerardo from Mexico; 31 years old and a Psychologist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>>>>>> on my own
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in my private practice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hopefully I'll be able to learn lots of great things from you
>>>>>>>>>>>> guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially of the NFB way of viewing and living with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blindness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now for my debut question: I've been blind all my life due to
>>>>>>>>>>>> RP; since I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was a teenager I remember developing a habbit of touching the
>>>>>>>>>>>> arm of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people constanly to be sure he/she was still there. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continued
>>>>>>>>>>>> to do this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into adulthood until my family made the observation that this
>>>>>>>>>>>> behavior isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen well by the sighted only a few days ago. I'm still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shocked
>>>>>>>>>>>> by this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> observation to the point that now how to know if the person
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> still there?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, the voice gives feedback but when people talk it feels
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>> if they're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there but aren't there. How have you coped with this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> situation
>>>>>>>>>>>> in that you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to get rid of the habbit before-mentioned? Surely it has
>>>>>>>>>>>> happened to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some of you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also when shaking hands with sighted people how to find the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand
>>>>>>>>>>>> to shake if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sighted person doesn't take the initiative?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As you can see I've still have lots of tips and tricks to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blindness, thus my interest in joining the list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gerardo
>>
>>
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