[Blindtlk] Gary wunder: Alternative Spirituality

gloria fairyfoot at webband.com
Mon Jun 1 20:32:20 UTC 2009 

That would be nice. 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Gary Wunder
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 11:07 AM
To: Marion & Martin; Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Gary wunder: Alternative Spirituality

Yes, let some of us who are interested in this subject take it off list. I'd
be most interested in pursuing the topic with you.

Warmest regards,

Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:14 PM
Subject: [Blindtlk] Gary wunder: Alternative Spirituality


> Gary,
>    I know we have been reminded by the Moderator to keep things more 
> on-topic, but I just couldn't resist commenting on your message. I believe

> we all have the ability to understand such things as you mention, 
> including psychic abilities. Perhaps we should create a list for those of 
> us who practice alternative Spirituality, including those of us who 
> practice Metaphysics and Wicca, rather than to discuss them on this list. 
> At the same time, I know there are quite a few people in the NFB who do 
> practice these Paths and sharing some of our beliefs is not very different

> from those who openly share their Christian beliefs. The difference, I 
> think, is that we might believe we are in the minority and feel as if we 
> might be ridiculed (as one has already seen could happen), although, my 
> observation is that even those who practice some mainstream religions are 
> becoming interested in such things as tapping into their psychic 
> abilities, energy pathways, reincarnation, and astrology. Parenthetically,

> astrology is much more involved than the horoscopes we read in the 
> newspaper and I will be the first to admit that it is more complicated 
> than I care to become. I do have many friends and colleagues who read 
> Tarot, runes, and practice psychometry with incredible accuracy of 
> prediction. If anyone would like to discuss these in more detail, I would 
> be more than happy to share my philosophical understanding and, as a 
> former seminarian of six years and life-long student of religion, even 
> discuss some of the Scriptural references that support my beliefs. You may

> write to me off-list at
> swampfox1833 at verizon.net
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion Gwizdala
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 10:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>
>
>> Hello Trishhs. Sorry to see you having to face these comments. I do not 
>> understand all about energies and Meridians. I guess it is tough when you

>> write from Atlantis and some folks just don't understand.
>>
>> I hope you will keep on sharing. There's a lot we don't know, and I, for 
>> one, would enjoy hearing about energy sources I don't know how to tap. 
>> I'm not even certain I'm against hearing from people who believe in 
>> astrology, those who say they can communicate with the dead, and people 
>> who believe they have some ability to predict the future. I can't do any 
>> of those things, but I'm not prepared to say that they can't be done 
>> simply because they don't fall in my repertoire.
>>
>> Thanks again for sharing.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 5:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>
>>
>>> Well!  Seems a lot has transpired since I last "saw you guys!"
>>> Bad energy, people!  Bad energy!
>>> Somebody's got a blockage!
>>> Ok.  I'm done. . .  I'm going to go and grow up now.  And, since I get 
>>> to come back, I'll talk to you soon (TTYS)
>>> Thanks, to all, for your back up.
>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Jeffrey Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net
>>>>To: "'NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>Date sent: Sat, 30 May 2009 20:49:35 -0400
>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>
>>>>I'm probably old enough to be your father or grandfather.  You
>>> sound like a
>>>>drugged out adolescent with your energy pathways, meridians and
>>> finally,
>>>>"perhaps my energy didn't reach your ears".  Your energy wouldn't
>>> reach my
>>>>ears if you were in the house next to mine.  Next, you'll be
>>> talking about
>>>>astrological signs.  Grow up you foolish child.
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>Behalf Of trishs
>>>>Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 4:07 PM
>>>>To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>
>>>>Hey, Schwartz!
>>>> #1.  When did I "assume that all credible knowledge lies with in
>>>>Western culture.?"
>>>>#2.  I "misapplied the vast body of Eastern wisdom", how?"
>>>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but no where did I see myself
>>>>disrespectful to Eastern, or Western culture.
>>>> Being ignorant of customs, I have great respect for Eastern
>>>>wisdom.  Just brushing the surface, through Massage Therapy
>>>>training was one of the most interesting, complicated, and
>>>>difficult things I've ever done.
>>>> Miss.  chauvinistic, childish, and ignorant hear, never made any
>>>>such claim.  I mentioned the words touch, intension, energy, and
>>>>meridian.  So.  Because you've never heard of a meridian, I don't
>>>>know what I'm talking about?
>>>> I'd be willing to bet there's an Eastern word for things like
>>>>your defensive name calling.  In Western terms, it's called Get a
>>>>grip!
>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Jeffrey Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>To: "'NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>Date sent: Sat, 30 May 2009 09:18:49 -0400
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>
>>>>>It is chauvinistic to assume that all credible  knowledge resides
>>>>within
>>>>>Western culture.  It is childish and ignorant to misapply the
>>>>vast body of
>>>>>Eastern wisdom.
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>Behalf Of trishs
>>>>>Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 11:29 PM
>>>>>To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>
>>>>>Excuse me.  Perhaps my words touched your ears, and you've
>>>>>misunderstood them?  Or, perhaps I wasn't quite following the
>>>>>thread?  It's possible.  I make mistakes from time to time, too.
>>>>>No worries!
>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: "Jeffrey Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>>To: "'NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>Date sent: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:25:41 -0400
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>
>>>>>>Sorry, but I still have no idea what you are talking about, nor
>>>>>do you.
>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>Behalf Of trishs
>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:28 AM
>>>>>>To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>
>>>>>>This applied to the intension of touch.
>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: "Jeffrey Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>>>To: "'NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>Date sent: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:11:23 -0400
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>
>>>>>>>And just what does this have to do with touching or being
>>>>>>touched?  Can you
>>>>>>>tell which organ someone is touching you with by its energy
>>>>>>pathway?
>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>Behalf Of trishs
>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:15 PM
>>>>>>>To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>
>>>>>>>In Eastern medicine it's called a meridian.  There are energy
>>>>>>>channels which correspond to each body organ, which Eastern
>>>>>>>cultures have mapped for about as long as there's been medicine.
>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>From: "Jeffrey Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>>>>To: "'NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>Date sent: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:09:33 -0400
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>
>>>>>>>>What in the world is an "energy Pathway"
>>>
>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>Behalf Of trishs
>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:51 AM
>>>>>>>>To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>
>>>>>>>>As far as "across the board answers", and people getting "mad",
>>>>>>>>we each have the power and self responsibility to say I'm
>>>>>>>>uncomfortable with that," or "Stop it! That's inappropriate!"  Or
>>>>>>>>"Could you do that again?"  I feel as though I can speak for most
>>>>>>>>people when I say that we have all been in situations where a
>>>>>>>>person's touch "creeped us out", or made us want more.  There are
>>>>>>>>many types of touch, and it is ALL ABOUT INTENSION, which is
>>>>>>>>carried through invisible energy pathways.
>>>>>>>>There are also times when we misunderstand, or misinterpret
>>>>>>>>someone's touch.  It can be difficult to navigate these energy
>>>>>>>>pathways, so your power is in your own intension for your own
>>>>>>>>comfort level.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>From: "Steve P.  Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com
>>>>>>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>Date sent: Tue, 26 May 2009 08:47:07 -0400
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>
>>>>>>>>>It has nothing to do with blindness in my case.  I just hate
>>>>>>>>being touched.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>Steve
>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>From: "dewey bradley" <dewey.bradley at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 8:40 PM
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Allot of sighted people think that they can't talk to us without
>>>>>>>>putting
>>>>>>>>>> there hands on us.
>>>>>>>>>> The thing is allot of people like my self really hate to be
>>>>>>>>touched, When
>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>> ask them to please take there hands off, they get mad.
>>>>>>>>>> I guess there is no across the board answer for things like
>>>>>>>>this.
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Steve P.  Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:42 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is a very complicated topic.  There are those, like me, who
>>>>>>>>don't
>>>>>>>>>>> like being touched during conversations with individuals I
>>>>>>>>really don't
>>>>>>>>>>> know very well.  I'm wondering if blind individuals understand
>>>>>>>>spacial
>>>>>>>>>>> concepts during conversations.  You don't want to be too close
>>>>>>>>during a
>>>>>>>>>>> conversation or too far away.  I suspect most of us who
>>>>>>>>understand this
>>>>>>>>>>> art have had some coaching from sighted individuals whom they
>>>>>>>>trust.
>>>>>>>>>>> \
>>>>>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 10:46 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I was raised giving and receiving warm hand shakes, or in some
>>>>>>>>>>>> situations, embraces and or kisses, all of which seem to me to
>>>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>>>>>> quite germ spreading!  I like the bowing idea a lot!
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>From: Joel Zimba <jzimba at cavtel.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Date sent: Sat, 23 May 2009 17:08:35 -0400
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I love these kinds of topics.  I believe the issue of blind or
>>>>>>>>>>>> sighted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>is mostly meaningless when it comes to whether you should touch
>>>>>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>or not.  It comes down more to how comfortable you are with 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>what
>>>>>>>>>>>> you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>doing and your motivation for it.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>The examples of folks talking with their hands is a great one.
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>so much that they talk with their hands, but that touching is a
>>>>>>>>>>>> means of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>communication.  In fact, if you are comfortable enough with
>>>>>>>>>>>> yurself to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>touch someone else while speaking to them, you'll pull them 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>into
>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>paradigm.  This is common wisdom in the sales world.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>For the blind among us, (myself included) this is most easily
>>>>>>>>>>>> donw with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>the back of the hand and making solid contact.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>When it comes to shaking hands, I decided to take the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>initiative
>>>>>>>>>>>> early
>>>>>>>>>>>>>and often.  When someone doesn't take my hand, I leave it out
>>>>>>>>>>>> there and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>then eventually start snapping my fingers.  This calls 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>attention
>>>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>fact that the other people are not playing the social game.  I
>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>taught that it is not obligatory for women to shake hands. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Long
>>>>>>>>>>>> ago I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>decided that if women want equal rights, they can do the glad
>>>>>>>>>>>> handing as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>well, so I expect them to shake and I do the snapping as well. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>sometimes let the elderly off the hook, though oddly, the older
>>>>>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>is, the more likely they are to initiate or take my hand. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Proper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>conduct seems to not always be taught to the younger 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>generation.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>we all need to go back to finishing school.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Now, if someone could explain the bowing protocol to me so that
>>>>>>>>>>>> my Asian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>friends would be surprised and pleased by my manners, I would 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>greatful.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Joel
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On 5/23/2009 12:40 PM, Jeffrey Schwartz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Gerardo,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am also blind as a result of RP and a clinical 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> psychologist.
>>>>>>>>>>>> My vision
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deteriorated at a different pace.  I drove a car until I was 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 27
>>>>>>>>>>>> and did not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> require adaptive technology to read and write until I was 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>> 40.  Now, at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 61, I have little more than light perception.  When younger, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> was often
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> embarrassed when my wife kindly noted that someone was 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reaching
>>>>>>>>>>>> out to shake
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my hand and I was not noticing.  Eventually, I learned to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> avoid
>>>>>>>>>>>> this problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by taking the initiative.  On occasion I reach out to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discover
>>>>>>>>>>>> that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person has quickly turned their back or departed, no big 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deal.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no experience with the touching.  There are cultural 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differences
>>>>>>>>>>>> in such
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nonverbal behaviors.  For example, cultures vary in terms of
>>>>>>>>>>>> what is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regarded as personal space.  Groups vary in terms of how 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> close
>>>>>>>>>>>> they stand to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each other when speaking, and also with regard to touching 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>> is common
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in some cultures and taboo in others.  Perhaps your blindness
>>>>>>>>>>>> has led you to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exceed what is common in your culture or your parents may 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>> felt bad for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you when they saw you reach out to touch someone and the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> departed.  There are also a group of behaviors known as
>>>>>>>>>>>> blindisms.  We all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conduct little rituals of personal hygiene when alone which 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>> would not do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in front of others.  There is a tendency, particularly if one
>>>>>>>>>>>> loses their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vision gradually to assume that others see as we do.  I am 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> often
>>>>>>>>>>>> surprised
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by what others can see.  We assume that if we can't see
>>>>>>>>>>>> something others can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not either.  This can lead us to embarrass ourselves by
>>>>>>>>>>>> performing these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grooming rituals in public.  Recently, I have noticed that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am walking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and thinking about a conversation which I had or will have 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> someone, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am moving my lips as if I were speaking.  I am working on
>>>>>>>>>>>> suppressing this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behavior as I am certain that the sighted would see it as
>>>>>>>>>>>> strange.  Behavior
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is so ritualized, and blindness can lead us to engage in some
>>>>>>>>>>>> peculiar ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As professionals, in particular, we don't want to be seen as 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> odd
>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiosyncratic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Cindy Handel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 9:55 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings;Behaviors in adults blind
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gerardo,
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most of the time, when I would like to shake the hand of a
>>>>>>>>>>>> sighted person, I
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just extend my hand and they grasp it and we shake hands.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as touching the arm of people, I've never done this.
>>>>>>>>>>>> When do you do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this?  If you're talking with someone, it shouldn't be
>>>>>>>>>>>> necessary, since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they're participating in the conversation.  I think we've all
>>>>>>>>>>>> experienced a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time when we're talking to someone and learn that they walked
>>>>>>>>>>>> away.  Now, if
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're referring to touching a person's arm to make sure 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they're
>>>>>>>>>>>> still there
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a way to insure that you still have their attention, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different.  I have met sighted people who talk with their 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hands
>>>>>>>>>>>> and touch my
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arm or shoulder, for emphasis.  So, that might not be so
>>>>>>>>>>>> unusual.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Gerardo Corripio"<gera1027 at prodigy.net.mx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Blind-Talk"<blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:35 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Greetings;Behaviors in adults blind
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi listers:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm Gerardo from Mexico; 31 years old and a Psychologist 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>>>>>> on my own
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in my private practice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hopefully I'll be able to learn lots of great things from you
>>>>>>>>>>>> guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially of the NFB way of viewing and living with 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blindness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now for my debut question: I've been blind all my life due to
>>>>>>>>>>>> RP; since I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was a teenager I remember developing a habbit of touching the
>>>>>>>>>>>> arm of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people constanly to be sure he/she was still there.  I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continued
>>>>>>>>>>>> to do this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into adulthood until my family made the observation that this
>>>>>>>>>>>> behavior isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen well by the sighted only a few days ago.  I'm still 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shocked
>>>>>>>>>>>> by this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> observation to the point that now how to know if the person 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> still there?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, the voice gives feedback but when people talk it feels 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>> if they're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there but aren't there.  How have you coped with this 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> situation
>>>>>>>>>>>> in that you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to get rid of the habbit before-mentioned? Surely it has
>>>>>>>>>>>> happened to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some of you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also when shaking hands with sighted people how to find the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand
>>>>>>>>>>>> to shake if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sighted person doesn't take the initiative?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As you can see I've still have lots of tips and tricks to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blindness, thus my interest in joining the list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gerardo
>>>
>>>
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