[Blindtlk] Gary wunder: Alternative Spirituality
trishs
slosser at metrocast.net
Wed Jun 3 02:21:07 UTC 2009
I, personally, don't know any thing about starting a new list, I
honestly don't have the energy for that, myself. I'd be
interested if someone else wanted to do the work, though.
> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net
>To: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>,"Blind Talk
Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:06:48 -0500
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Gary wunder: Alternative Spirituality
>Yes, let some of us who are interested in this subject take it
off list. I'd
>be most interested in pursuing the topic with you.
>Warmest regards,
>Gary
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net
>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:14 PM
>Subject: [Blindtlk] Gary wunder: Alternative Spirituality
>> Gary,
>> I know we have been reminded by the Moderator to keep things
more
>> on-topic, but I just couldn't resist commenting on your message.
I believe
>> we all have the ability to understand such things as you
mention,
>> including psychic abilities. Perhaps we should create a list
for those of
>> us who practice alternative Spirituality, including those of us
who
>> practice Metaphysics and Wicca, rather than to discuss them on
this list.
>> At the same time, I know there are quite a few people in the NFB
who do
>> practice these Paths and sharing some of our beliefs is not very
different
>> from those who openly share their Christian beliefs. The
difference, I
>> think, is that we might believe we are in the minority and feel
as if we
>> might be ridiculed (as one has already seen could happen),
although, my
>> observation is that even those who practice some mainstream
religions are
>> becoming interested in such things as tapping into their psychic
>> abilities, energy pathways, reincarnation, and astrology.
Parenthetically,
>> astrology is much more involved than the horoscopes we read in
the
>> newspaper and I will be the first to admit that it is more
complicated
>> than I care to become. I do have many friends and colleagues
who read
>> Tarot, runes, and practice psychometry with incredible accuracy
of
>> prediction. If anyone would like to discuss these in more
detail, I would
>> be more than happy to share my philosophical understanding and,
as a
>> former seminarian of six years and life-long student of
religion, even
>> discuss some of the Scriptural references that support my
beliefs. You may
>> write to me off-list at
>> swampfox1833 at verizon.net
>> Fraternally yours,
>> Marion Gwizdala
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 10:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>> Hello Trishhs. Sorry to see you having to face these comments.
I do not
>>> understand all about energies and Meridians. I guess it is
tough when you
>>> write from Atlantis and some folks just don't understand.
>>> I hope you will keep on sharing. There's a lot we don't know,
and I, for
>>> one, would enjoy hearing about energy sources I don't know how
to tap.
>>> I'm not even certain I'm against hearing from people who believe
in
>>> astrology, those who say they can communicate with the dead, and
people
>>> who believe they have some ability to predict the future. I
can't do any
>>> of those things, but I'm not prepared to say that they can't be
done
>>> simply because they don't fall in my repertoire.
>>> Thanks again for sharing.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 5:47 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>> Well! Seems a lot has transpired since I last "saw you guys!"
>>>> Bad energy, people! Bad energy!
>>>> Somebody's got a blockage!
>>>> Ok. I'm done. . . I'm going to go and grow up now. And, since
I get
>>>> to come back, I'll talk to you soon (TTYS)
>>>> Thanks, to all, for your back up.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Jeffrey Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>To: "'NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>Date sent: Sat, 30 May 2009 20:49:35 -0400
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>>>I'm probably old enough to be your father or grandfather. You
>>>> sound like a
>>>>>drugged out adolescent with your energy pathways, meridians and
>>>> finally,
>>>>>"perhaps my energy didn't reach your ears". Your energy wouldn't
>>>> reach my
>>>>>ears if you were in the house next to mine. Next, you'll be
>>>> talking about
>>>>>astrological signs. Grow up you foolish child.
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>Behalf Of trishs
>>>>>Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 4:07 PM
>>>>>To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>>>Hey, Schwartz!
>>>>> #1. When did I "assume that all credible knowledge lies with in
>>>>>Western culture.?"
>>>>>#2. I "misapplied the vast body of Eastern wisdom", how?"
>>>>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but no where did I see myself
>>>>>disrespectful to Eastern, or Western culture.
>>>>> Being ignorant of customs, I have great respect for Eastern
>>>>>wisdom. Just brushing the surface, through Massage Therapy
>>>>>training was one of the most interesting, complicated, and
>>>>>difficult things I've ever done.
>>>>> Miss. chauvinistic, childish, and ignorant hear, never made any
>>>>>such claim. I mentioned the words touch, intension, energy, and
>>>>>meridian. So. Because you've never heard of a meridian, I don't
>>>>>know what I'm talking about?
>>>>> I'd be willing to bet there's an Eastern word for things like
>>>>>your defensive name calling. In Western terms, it's called Get a
>>>>>grip!
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: "Jeffrey Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>>To: "'NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>Date sent: Sat, 30 May 2009 09:18:49 -0400
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>>>>It is chauvinistic to assume that all credible knowledge resides
>>>>>within
>>>>>>Western culture. It is childish and ignorant to misapply the
>>>>>vast body of
>>>>>>Eastern wisdom.
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>Behalf Of trishs
>>>>>>Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 11:29 PM
>>>>>>To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>>>>Excuse me. Perhaps my words touched your ears, and you've
>>>>>>misunderstood them? Or, perhaps I wasn't quite following the
>>>>>>thread? It's possible. I make mistakes from time to time, too.
>>>>>>No worries!
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: "Jeffrey Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>>>To: "'NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>Date sent: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:25:41 -0400
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>>>>>Sorry, but I still have no idea what you are talking about, nor
>>>>>>do you.
>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>Behalf Of trishs
>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:28 AM
>>>>>>>To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>>>>>This applied to the intension of touch.
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>From: "Jeffrey Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>>>>To: "'NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>Date sent: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:11:23 -0400
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>>>>>>And just what does this have to do with touching or being
>>>>>>>touched? Can you
>>>>>>>>tell which organ someone is touching you with by its energy
>>>>>>>pathway?
>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>Behalf Of trishs
>>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:15 PM
>>>>>>>>To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>>>>>>In Eastern medicine it's called a meridian. There are energy
>>>>>>>>channels which correspond to each body organ, which Eastern
>>>>>>>>cultures have mapped for about as long as there's been medicine.
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>From: "Jeffrey Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>>>>>To: "'NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>Date sent: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:09:33 -0400
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>>>>>>>What in the world is an "energy Pathway"
>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>Behalf Of trishs
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:51 AM
>>>>>>>>>To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>>>>>>>As far as "across the board answers", and people getting "mad",
>>>>>>>>>we each have the power and self responsibility to say I'm
>>>>>>>>>uncomfortable with that," or "Stop it! That's inappropriate!" Or
>>>>>>>>>"Could you do that again?" I feel as though I can speak for most
>>>>>>>>>people when I say that we have all been in situations where a
>>>>>>>>>person's touch "creeped us out", or made us want more. There are
>>>>>>>>>many types of touch, and it is ALL ABOUT INTENSION, which is
>>>>>>>>>carried through invisible energy pathways.
>>>>>>>>>There are also times when we misunderstand, or misinterpret
>>>>>>>>>someone's touch. It can be difficult to navigate these energy
>>>>>>>>>pathways, so your power is in your own intension for your own
>>>>>>>>>comfort level.
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com
>>>>>>>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>Date sent: Tue, 26 May 2009 08:47:07 -0400
>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>>>>>>>>It has nothing to do with blindness in my case. I just hate
>>>>>>>>>being touched.
>>>>>>>>>>Steve
>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>From: "dewey bradley" <dewey.bradley at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 8:40 PM
>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>>>>>>>>> Allot of sighted people think that they can't talk to us without
>>>>>>>>>putting
>>>>>>>>>>> there hands on us.
>>>>>>>>>>> The thing is allot of people like my self really hate to be
>>>>>>>>>touched, When
>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>> ask them to please take there hands off, they get mad.
>>>>>>>>>>> I guess there is no across the board answer for things like
>>>>>>>>>this.
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:42 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a very complicated topic. There are those, like me, who
>>>>>>>>>don't
>>>>>>>>>>>> like being touched during conversations with individuals I
>>>>>>>>>really don't
>>>>>>>>>>>> know very well. I'm wondering if blind individuals understand
>>>>>>>>>spacial
>>>>>>>>>>>> concepts during conversations. You don't want to be too close
>>>>>>>>>during a
>>>>>>>>>>>> conversation or too far away. I suspect most of us who
>>>>>>>>>understand this
>>>>>>>>>>>> art have had some coaching from sighted individuals whom they
>>>>>>>>>trust.
>>>>>>>>>>>> \
>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 10:46 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I was raised giving and receiving warm hand shakes, or in some
>>>>>>>>>>>>> situations, embraces and or kisses, all of which seem to me to
>>>>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite germ spreading! I like the bowing idea a lot!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>From: Joel Zimba <jzimba at cavtel.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Date sent: Sat, 23 May 2009 17:08:35 -0400
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings; Behaviors in adults blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I love these kinds of topics. I believe the issue of blind or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sighted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is mostly meaningless when it comes to whether you should touch
>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>or not. It comes down more to how comfortable you are with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>doing and your motivation for it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The examples of folks talking with their hands is a great one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>so much that they talk with their hands, but that touching is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> means of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>communication. In fact, if you are comfortable enough with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yurself to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>touch someone else while speaking to them, you'll pull them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>into
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>paradigm. This is common wisdom in the sales world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>For the blind among us, (myself included) this is most easily
>>>>>>>>>>>>> donw with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the back of the hand and making solid contact.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>When it comes to shaking hands, I decided to take the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>initiative
>>>>>>>>>>>>> early
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and often. When someone doesn't take my hand, I leave it out
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>then eventually start snapping my fingers. This calls
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>attention
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fact that the other people are not playing the social game. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>taught that it is not obligatory for women to shake hands.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Long
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>decided that if women want equal rights, they can do the glad
>>>>>>>>>>>>> handing as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>well, so I expect them to shake and I do the snapping as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sometimes let the elderly off the hook, though oddly, the older
>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is, the more likely they are to initiate or take my hand.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Proper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>conduct seems to not always be taught to the younger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>generation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>we all need to go back to finishing school.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Now, if someone could explain the bowing protocol to me so that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> my Asian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>friends would be surprised and pleased by my manners, I would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>greatful.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Joel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On 5/23/2009 12:40 PM, Jeffrey Schwartz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Gerardo,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am also blind as a result of RP and a clinical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> psychologist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My vision
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deteriorated at a different pace. I drove a car until I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 27
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and did not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> require adaptive technology to read and write until I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 40. Now, at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 61, I have little more than light perception. When younger,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was often
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> embarrassed when my wife kindly noted that someone was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reaching
>>>>>>>>>>>>> out to shake
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my hand and I was not noticing. Eventually, I learned to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> avoid
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by taking the initiative. On occasion I reach out to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discover
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person has quickly turned their back or departed, no big
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no experience with the touching. There are cultural
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differences
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in such
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nonverbal behaviors. For example, cultures vary in terms of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regarded as personal space. Groups vary in terms of how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> close
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they stand to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each other when speaking, and also with regard to touching
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is common
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in some cultures and taboo in others. Perhaps your blindness
>>>>>>>>>>>>> has led you to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exceed what is common in your culture or your parents may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> felt bad for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you when they saw you reach out to touch someone and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> departed. There are also a group of behaviors known as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> blindisms. We all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conduct little rituals of personal hygiene when alone which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would not do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in front of others. There is a tendency, particularly if one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> loses their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vision gradually to assume that others see as we do. I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> often
>>>>>>>>>>>>> surprised
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by what others can see. We assume that if we can't see
>>>>>>>>>>>>> something others can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not either. This can lead us to embarrass ourselves by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> performing these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grooming rituals in public. Recently, I have noticed that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am walking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and thinking about a conversation which I had or will have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am moving my lips as if I were speaking. I am working on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> suppressing this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behavior as I am certain that the sighted would see it as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> strange. Behavior
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is so ritualized, and blindness can lead us to engage in some
>>>>>>>>>>>>> peculiar ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As professionals, in particular, we don't want to be seen as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> odd
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiosyncratic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Cindy Handel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 9:55 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Greetings;Behaviors in adults blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gerardo,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most of the time, when I would like to shake the hand of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sighted person, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just extend my hand and they grasp it and we shake hands.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as touching the arm of people, I've never done this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> When do you do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this? If you're talking with someone, it shouldn't be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> necessary, since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they're participating in the conversation. I think we've all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> experienced a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time when we're talking to someone and learn that they walked
>>>>>>>>>>>>> away. Now, if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're referring to touching a person's arm to make sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they're
>>>>>>>>>>>>> still there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a way to insure that you still have their attention,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different. I have met sighted people who talk with their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hands
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and touch my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arm or shoulder, for emphasis. So, that might not be so
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unusual.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Gerardo Corripio"<gera1027 at prodigy.net.mx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Blind-Talk"<blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:35 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Greetings;Behaviors in adults blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi listers:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm Gerardo from Mexico; 31 years old and a Psychologist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on my own
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in my private practice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hopefully I'll be able to learn lots of great things from you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially of the NFB way of viewing and living with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blindness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now for my debut question: I've been blind all my life due to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> RP; since I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was a teenager I remember developing a habbit of touching the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> arm of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people constanly to be sure he/she was still there. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continued
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into adulthood until my family made the observation that this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> behavior isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen well by the sighted only a few days ago. I'm still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shocked
>>>>>>>>>>>>> by this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> observation to the point that now how to know if the person
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> still there?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, the voice gives feedback but when people talk it feels
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if they're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there but aren't there. How have you coped with this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> situation
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in that you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to get rid of the habbit before-mentioned? Surely it has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> happened to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some of you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also when shaking hands with sighted people how to find the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to shake if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sighted person doesn't take the initiative?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As you can see I've still have lots of tips and tricks to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blindness, thus my interest in joining the list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gerardo
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