[Blindtlk] Let us not forget to be human: was: Re: Other "wrong" assumptions; Learning body language

Wed Jun 3 05:59:15 UTC 2009

Gary,

I want to remark here on the last line of your message because it stikes me 
that you just may be more correct than even you realize.  In your message, 
you say, in part, "more of us should be more
open to admitting that the answers to things obvious to us once weren't"
    How true this remark of yours is.  To put it quite frankly, I'm afraid 
that there may be a good many too many of us who, once we find the 
federation philosophy grab on to it so voraciously that when once we find 
something easy, we all to quickly (and perhaps willingly) forget that there 
was a time when we too didn't know the things we do now about blindness.  I 
so well remember when you wrote in a past article in "The Braille monitor" 
that it was becoming all too much the pattern nowadays for some to as good 
as say to a new member of the organization something like this, "welcome. 
Now, here's our philosophy on tape.  Go home and study it...".
I wish I could find it so I could quote it properly, but, just now, It seems 
I can't remember enough of the words to locate it in the collection.

Anyhow, I'm glad you brought up this point again.  Thanks.

Sincerely,
The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Other "wrong" assumptions;Learning body language

Appropriately putting on makeup is a major problem for many blind women, and
more of them should ask those who do it well and more of us should be more
open to admitting that the answers to things obvious to us once weren't.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Other "wrong" assumptions;Learning body language

> Connie:
> There are sighted individuals who are truly amazed how blind individuals
> function in such an  accomplish manner.  A lot of these individual really
> admire how a blind person is able to function.  I'm not certain if a
> question dealing with how you apply your makeup is a dumb or stupid
> question.  People are just curious.
> Steve.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Constance Canode" <satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 5:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Other "wrong" assumptions;Learning body language
>
>
>> The stupidity of people never ceases to amaze me.  I was riding the
>> bus to work one morning and someone asked me how I applied my
>> makeup.  I was in a rotten mood and I responded that my husband's dog
>> did it with her long tail.  She believed it.  Again as you already
>> said, here's your sign.
>>
>> Connie Canode
>> At 09:30 PM 6/1/2009, you wrote:
>>>I had someone ask me once, If you are blind, how do you eat, you
>>>know, find your mouth with your fork...?
>>>I replied with, You can't see it, but I have a very fine fishing
>>>line around my plate and the other end is around my front tooth. I
>>>just follow th line up to my mouth.
>>>
>>>He said, Wow, I can't even see the line...
>>>Here's your sign!!
>>>I had a friend who had a black Lab assistance dog. She was going
>>>through a Wal-Mart checkout and the lady asked her if that was a
>>>blind dog? She told her that yeah she was, but that she wore the
>>>glasses and led her around so the dog would not lose confidence in
>>>itself...
>>>Here's your sign!!
>>>
>>>Marty
>>>marty at theblindbean.com
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerardo Corripio"
>>><gera1027 at prodigy.net.mx>
>>>To: "Blind-Talk" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 2:05 PM
>>>Subject: [Blindtlk] Other "wrong" assumptions;Learning body language
>>>
>>>
>>>>Robert's message about false assumptions in the workplace reminded
>>>>me of the following incident:
>>>>The other day while attending a dinner with some coleagues one of
>>>>them asked "Are you able to eat on your own"? comment which angered
>>>>me, though I know the sighted person asked me with good intention
>>>>it still made me a bit angry to the point that I know still lots of
>>>>work needs to be done (especially in countries where the NFB isn't
>>>>well-known or even heard of); this is why I really enjoy the list;
>>>>ai always learn a lot from you guys.
>>>>This brings me to another question especially for those of you
>>>>blind from birth: How did you guys learn to use body language? I
>>>>sometimes get to thinking that aside from integrating more with the
>>>>sighted world, it saves our mouths from talking, especially while
>>>>eating or doing other things that at that moment doesn't permit us to
>>>>speak.
>>>>also, when saying no (shake of the head) is it from side to side by
>>>>moving the head from shoulder to shoulder or moving the head
>>>>clockwise or counterclockwise?
>>>>also what does srugging the shoulder signify? As you see we blind
>>>>from birth lose a lot of things by not being able to see. And when
>>>>I first introduced myself the RP I took it to mean Retinopathy of
>>>>Prematurity like in spanish, thus didn't think to clarify the concept.
>>>>Gerardo
>>>>
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