[Blindtlk] Let us not forget to be human: was: Re: Other "wrong"assumptions; Learning body language

Wed Jun 3 12:48:58 UTC 2009

Thank you Ray. I'm glad it was helpful.

Warmest regards,

Gary

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>
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Subject: [Blindtlk] Let us not forget to be human: was: Re: Other 
"wrong"assumptions; Learning body language

> Gary,
>
> I want to remark here on the last line of your message because it stikes 
> me
> that you just may be more correct than even you realize.  In your message,
> you say, in part, "more of us should be more
> open to admitting that the answers to things obvious to us once weren't"
>    How true this remark of yours is.  To put it quite frankly, I'm afraid
> that there may be a good many too many of us who, once we find the
> federation philosophy grab on to it so voraciously that when once we find
> something easy, we all to quickly (and perhaps willingly) forget that 
> there
> was a time when we too didn't know the things we do now about blindness. 
> I
> so well remember when you wrote in a past article in "The Braille monitor"
> that it was becoming all too much the pattern nowadays for some to as good
> as say to a new member of the organization something like this, "welcome.
> Now, here's our philosophy on tape.  Go home and study it...".
> I wish I could find it so I could quote it properly, but, just now, It 
> seems
> I can't remember enough of the words to locate it in the collection.
>
> Anyhow, I'm glad you brought up this point again.  Thanks.
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>
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> come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from your own 
> land"
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 9:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Other "wrong" assumptions;Learning body language
>
>
> Appropriately putting on makeup is a major problem for many blind women, 
> and
> more of them should ask those who do it well and more of us should be more
> open to admitting that the answers to things obvious to us once weren't.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 7:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Other "wrong" assumptions;Learning body language
>
>
>> Connie:
>> There are sighted individuals who are truly amazed how blind individuals
>> function in such an  accomplish manner.  A lot of these individual really
>> admire how a blind person is able to function.  I'm not certain if a
>> question dealing with how you apply your makeup is a dumb or stupid
>> question.  People are just curious.
>> Steve.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Constance Canode" <satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 5:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Other "wrong" assumptions;Learning body language
>>
>>
>>> The stupidity of people never ceases to amaze me.  I was riding the
>>> bus to work one morning and someone asked me how I applied my
>>> makeup.  I was in a rotten mood and I responded that my husband's dog
>>> did it with her long tail.  She believed it.  Again as you already
>>> said, here's your sign.
>>>
>>> Connie Canode
>>> At 09:30 PM 6/1/2009, you wrote:
>>>>I had someone ask me once, If you are blind, how do you eat, you
>>>>know, find your mouth with your fork...?
>>>>I replied with, You can't see it, but I have a very fine fishing
>>>>line around my plate and the other end is around my front tooth. I
>>>>just follow th line up to my mouth.
>>>>
>>>>He said, Wow, I can't even see the line...
>>>>Here's your sign!!
>>>>I had a friend who had a black Lab assistance dog. She was going
>>>>through a Wal-Mart checkout and the lady asked her if that was a
>>>>blind dog? She told her that yeah she was, but that she wore the
>>>>glasses and led her around so the dog would not lose confidence in
>>>>itself...
>>>>Here's your sign!!
>>>>
>>>>Marty
>>>>marty at theblindbean.com
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerardo Corripio"
>>>><gera1027 at prodigy.net.mx>
>>>>To: "Blind-Talk" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 2:05 PM
>>>>Subject: [Blindtlk] Other "wrong" assumptions;Learning body language
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Robert's message about false assumptions in the workplace reminded
>>>>>me of the following incident:
>>>>>The other day while attending a dinner with some coleagues one of
>>>>>them asked "Are you able to eat on your own"? comment which angered
>>>>>me, though I know the sighted person asked me with good intention
>>>>>it still made me a bit angry to the point that I know still lots of
>>>>>work needs to be done (especially in countries where the NFB isn't
>>>>>well-known or even heard of); this is why I really enjoy the list;
>>>>>ai always learn a lot from you guys.
>>>>>This brings me to another question especially for those of you
>>>>>blind from birth: How did you guys learn to use body language? I
>>>>>sometimes get to thinking that aside from integrating more with the
>>>>>sighted world, it saves our mouths from talking, especially while
>>>>>eating or doing other things that at that moment doesn't permit us to
>>>>>speak.
>>>>>also, when saying no (shake of the head) is it from side to side by
>>>>>moving the head from shoulder to shoulder or moving the head
>>>>>clockwise or counterclockwise?
>>>>>also what does srugging the shoulder signify? As you see we blind
>>>>>from birth lose a lot of things by not being able to see. And when
>>>>>I first introduced myself the RP I took it to mean Retinopathy of
>>>>>Prematurity like in spanish, thus didn't think to clarify the concept.
>>>>>Gerardo
>>>>>
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