[Blindtlk] Other "wrong" assumptions;Learning body language

Wed Jun 3 18:35:01 UTC 2009

Yeah, it's pretty much common knowlege that Coke is always the first one, 
and, usually, diet Coke is the second one.
Sarah
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Sivill" <mike.sivill at viewplus.com>
To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Other "wrong" assumptions;Learning body language


> Hi Dianne,
> I know what you mean about answering questions sometimes being difficult. 
> I
> remember in high school some kid asked me how I knew what button to press 
> on
> the soda machine and I said Coke is always the first one and then he kept
> pestering me about how I knew Coke was always the first one and I couldn't
> for the life of me remember who told me that but it was just one of those
> things you pick up.
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Graves, Diane
> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 5:03 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Other "wrong" assumptions;Learning body language
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> Just a couple of things.
>
> As far as the body language dilemma goes, I remember that when I was
> growing up, I got the impression that it was polite to smile at people,
> or that this made you to appear friendly.  This still seems to be the
> consensus, although I am, even at middle age, still very self conscious
> about it.  The reason is that, when I was a teenager, there were several
> instances in which I didn't realize that a particular individual was
> speaking to me.  In a conversation with my dad after one of these
> episodes, he said to me, "you just sit there with that retarded smile of
> yours."  So now, whenever I smile, I wonder if I am looking "retarded."
>
>
> I also had a comment regarding the issue of trying to be more
> considerate when explaining to the sighted how we do things.  One thing
> that I find is that many of the things are so second nature to me, that
> I find it difficult to break it down for someone who doesn't understand,
> and explain to them how I do something.  It is just the standard
> procedure for me.  Do you know what I mean?
>
> For instance, if you were to ask a sighted person, "how do you eat,"
> they would look at you like you were crazy.  Of course, they look at the
> food, grab the fork and bring it up to their mouths and eat.  They would
> find it a very stupid question.
>
> Well, it is very much the same for those of us who have been dealing
> with blindness all of our lives.  Yes, we have had to learn things and
> get information a little differently, but once it is a part of us, it is
> just the way we do things, and it isn't easy to understand why it hard
> for someone else to comprehend. Does that make sense?
>
>
> Diane Graves
> Civil Rights Specialist
> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
> 317-232-2647
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Gary Wunder
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:07 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Other "wrong" assumptions;Learning body language
>
> Appropriately putting on makeup is a major problem for many blind women,
> and
> more of them should ask those who do it well and more of us should be
> more
> open to admitting that the answers to things obvious to us once weren't.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 7:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Other "wrong" assumptions;Learning body language
>
>
>> Connie:
>> There are sighted individuals who are truly amazed how blind
> individuals
>> function in such an  accomplish manner.  A lot of these individual
> really
>> admire how a blind person is able to function.  I'm not certain if a
>> question dealing with how you apply your makeup is a dumb or stupid
>> question.  People are just curious.
>> Steve.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Constance Canode" <satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 5:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Other "wrong" assumptions;Learning body
> language
>>
>>
>>> The stupidity of people never ceases to amaze me.  I was riding the
>>> bus to work one morning and someone asked me how I applied my
>>> makeup.  I was in a rotten mood and I responded that my husband's dog
>>> did it with her long tail.  She believed it.  Again as you already
>>> said, here's your sign.
>>>
>>> Connie Canode
>>> At 09:30 PM 6/1/2009, you wrote:
>>>>I had someone ask me once, If you are blind, how do you eat, you
>>>>know, find your mouth with your fork...?
>>>>I replied with, You can't see it, but I have a very fine fishing
>>>>line around my plate and the other end is around my front tooth. I
>>>>just follow th line up to my mouth.
>>>>
>>>>He said, Wow, I can't even see the line...
>>>>Here's your sign!!
>>>>I had a friend who had a black Lab assistance dog. She was going
>>>>through a Wal-Mart checkout and the lady asked her if that was a
>>>>blind dog? She told her that yeah she was, but that she wore the
>>>>glasses and led her around so the dog would not lose confidence in
>>>>itself...
>>>>Here's your sign!!
>>>>
>>>>Marty
>>>>marty at theblindbean.com
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerardo Corripio"
>>>><gera1027 at prodigy.net.mx>
>>>>To: "Blind-Talk" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 2:05 PM
>>>>Subject: [Blindtlk] Other "wrong" assumptions;Learning body language
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Robert's message about false assumptions in the workplace reminded
>>>>>me of the following incident:
>>>>>The other day while attending a dinner with some coleagues one of
>>>>>them asked "Are you able to eat on your own"? comment which angered
>>>>>me, though I know the sighted person asked me with good intention
>>>>>it still made me a bit angry to the point that I know still lots of
>>>>>work needs to be done (especially in countries where the NFB isn't
>>>>>well-known or even heard of); this is why I really enjoy the list;
>>>>>ai always learn a lot from you guys.
>>>>>This brings me to another question especially for those of you
>>>>>blind from birth: How did you guys learn to use body language? I
>>>>>sometimes get to thinking that aside from integrating more with the
>>>>>sighted world, it saves our mouths from talking, especially while
>>>>>eating or doing other things that at that moment doesn't permit us
> to
>>>>>speak.
>>>>>also, when saying no (shake of the head) is it from side to side by
>>>>>moving the head from shoulder to shoulder or moving the head
>>>>>clockwise or counterclockwise?
>>>>>also what does srugging the shoulder signify? As you see we blind
>>>>>from birth lose a lot of things by not being able to see. And when
>>>>>I first introduced myself the RP I took it to mean Retinopathy of
>>>>>Prematurity like in spanish, thus didn't think to clarify the
> concept.
>>>>>Gerardo
>>>>>
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