[Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?

Thu Jun 18 00:46:07 UTC 2009

Jeff,

I don't know you personally, will probably never meet you, and I 
cannot begin to tell you what incredible joy that brings me.  When 
you used the word "crap" in your post, that is a perfect description 
of your attitude.  I know I am going to hear about what I just said 
from people on the list and probably the list owner, but so be it.  I 
am barefoot in my own home all the time, am not a stupid, 
uncoordinated or clumsy person.  How dare you to be so presumtuous 
about other blind people, and yes, I probably spelled that word wrong.

Connie Canode
At 06:09 PM 6/17/2009, you wrote:
>Hello Jeff. Yes, we only discuss this kind of thing when you are at 
>work, because we know under your supervision it would never be 
>tolerated. Let me point out, if I may, that not all blind people are 
>diabetics, that not all blind people stub their toes when they go 
>barefooted in the familiar surroundings of their home, and that some 
>of us do find that the ability to feel with our feet is of 
>tremendous importance when doing things such as vacuuming, mopping, 
>and, incidentally, looking for dropped change. It is not as simple 
>as saying that anyone with brains wears shoes, and anyone who is 
>blind is necessarily stupid if they don't. Get a grip!
>
>Gary
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Schwartz" 
><sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
>To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:15 PM
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>
>
>>Is this the kind of crap you folks discuss when I'm at work.  I would say
>>yes, if you happen to be blind and stupid.  In the house there is the
>>problem of toe stubbing, etc.    Outside, who knows what kind of disgusting
>>or dangerous thing you can step on or into.  At the beech, along the water
>>line is nice.  Then there is the high correlation  between diabetes and
>>blindness from diabetic retinopathy.  People with diabetes have neuropathy.
>>They lose the feelings in their extremities, like feet.  Also they don't
>>heal well.  I had a patient who, in his home, barefoot, he stepped on a
>>nail.  It was in his foot and became infected after  a week or so.  As a
>>consequence he lost his leg.  That must have given him a feeling of freedom.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>Behalf Of Ron Poire
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:38 PM
>>To: Ray Foret jr; Blind Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>
>>Hi all,
>>I like going barefoot in my own home.
>>I never thought about mopping the floor or vacuuming barefoot.  I would be
>>afraid of stubbing my toe on something, which would ruin the whole
>>pleasurable experience.
>>I would definitely not go barefoot in a public place, because of diseases
>>and toe stubbing.  Not to mention national convention, where one's feet are
>>quite vulnerable to people's canes and sniffing dogs.
>>It's a great comic discussion, on a par with walking barefoot in the woods.
>>
>>Ron Poire
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>
>>To: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>><blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:19 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>
>>
>>>Especially when the floors are all completely smooth tile, as they are in
>>>my
>>>new place.
>>>
>>>Sincerely,
>>>The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>>>
>>>"Old friend, what are you looking for?  After those many years abroad you
>>>come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from your own
>>>land"
>>>George Seferis
>>>
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>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>
>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:43 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>
>>>
>>>Vacuuming and mopping are much easier because it is easy for one to see
>>>his/her work.
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen Millhoff" <kmillhoff at gmail.com>
>>>To: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>><blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:31 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi, you could have Robert make a TP out of this; and, yes, you haven't
>>>>asked this question for quite some time. I would bet that the
>>>>additional tactile and vestibular info offered by bare feet is
>>>>valuable to blind people. to say nothing of the fact that shoes carry
>>>>some pretty yucky stuff into the house. You should move to the islands
>>>>where people wear shoes when necessary, but mostly are barefoot inside
>>>>and wearing zoris (what you guys call flip-flops) outside. (some folks
>>>>also call them slippers, but they're not the bedroom slipper kind). I
>>>>seldom find shoes that work well for me, and this includes Berkies and
>>>>the rest.
>>>>also, it's always summer here I'm glad to say.
>>>>best,
>>>>kat
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On 6/17/09, Ray Foret jr <rforetjr at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>With summer practically upon us?  I just thought I'd  throw this out
>>>>>there.
>>>>>Should blind people go barefoot; either inside or outside?  It's been a
>>>>>couple or three years since somebody else broached the subject; and so,
>>>>>I
>>>>>just thought I'd get the general opinions out there.  Can it be tied in
>>>>>to
>>>>>blindness in any way?  IF so, why?  IF not, why?
>>>>>
>>>>>Ray
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>--
>>>>kathy millhoff - "Let each morn be better than its eve, and each
>>>>morrow richer than its yesterday."
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