[Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?

Thu Jun 18 02:07:07 UTC 2009

Hello All,
My name is Jessica.  I am 25, and joined this list a few months back, but am 
not sure if I introduced my self.  I have been reading some, but not all 
posts.

Maybe I missed something, but where did all this bashing between Jeff and 
the list  come from?  I should state that while I my self am lucky to have a 
good job as a federal employee, the key word in that sentence is lucky.  We 
all know the discrimination that the blind face when trying to get a job. 
The stats for unemployment have been around 70% for years now, and we are 
now in a devastating economy.  What does insulting one and other do??  Are 
there people out there who just live off the system?  Of course.  I my self 
have never received SSI or SSDI, I admit I have even been guilty of judging 
some for doing so, but instead of slamming those who are why not try and 
help them network to try and find a job.  This is all common sense, I could 
go on, but we are all adults.  Last thing I will say, remember while you sit 
there and type on your computers alone in your house, what you right goes 
into an archive that anyone can read.

Regards,
Jessica Kostiw
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?

> So, besides this meaningless mental masturbation, what else do you do 
> while
> you sit at home living off my tax dollar.  If, as the NFB says, the blind
> can do anything the sighted can if given a chance, why do so many of you
> lazy cripples sit at home living on charity.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Steve P. Deeley
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:17 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>
> Great rebuttal Gary!!!
> Steve
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>
>
>> Hello Jeff. Yes, we only discuss this kind of thing when you are at work,
>> because we know under your supervision it would never be tolerated. Let 
>> me
>> point out, if I may, that not all blind people are diabetics, that not 
>> all
>> blind people stub their toes when they go barefooted in the familiar
>> surroundings of their home, and that some of us do find that the ability
>> to
>> feel with our feet is of tremendous importance when doing things such as
>> vacuuming, mopping, and, incidentally, looking for dropped change. It is
>> not
>> as simple as saying that anyone with brains wears shoes, and anyone who 
>> is
>> blind is necessarily stupid if they don't. Get a grip!
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jeff Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>
>>
>>> Is this the kind of crap you folks discuss when I'm at work.  I would 
>>> say
>>> yes, if you happen to be blind and stupid.  In the house there is the
>>> problem of toe stubbing, etc.    Outside, who knows what kind of
>>> disgusting
>>> or dangerous thing you can step on or into.  At the beech, along the
>>> water
>>> line is nice.  Then there is the high correlation  between diabetes and
>>> blindness from diabetic retinopathy.  People with diabetes have
>>> neuropathy.
>>> They lose the feelings in their extremities, like feet.  Also they don't
>>> heal well.  I had a patient who, in his home, barefoot, he stepped on a
>>> nail.  It was in his foot and became infected after  a week or so.  As a
>>> consequence he lost his leg.  That must have given him a feeling of
>>> freedom.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Ron Poire
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:38 PM
>>> To: Ray Foret jr; Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I like going barefoot in my own home.
>>> I never thought about mopping the floor or vacuuming barefoot.  I would
>>> be
>>> afraid of stubbing my toe on something, which would ruin the whole
>>> pleasurable experience.
>>> I would definitely not go barefoot in a public place, because of 
>>> diseases
>>> and toe stubbing.  Not to mention national convention, where one's feet
>>> are
>>> quite vulnerable to people's canes and sniffing dogs.
>>> It's a great comic discussion, on a par with walking barefoot in the
>>> woods.
>>>
>>> Ron Poire
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>
>>> To: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:19 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Especially when the floors are all completely smooth tile, as they are
>>>> in
>>>> my
>>>> new place.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>>>>
>>>> "Old friend, what are you looking for?  After those many years abroad
>>>> you
>>>> come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from your own
>>>> land"
>>>> George Seferis
>>>>
>>>> Phone or Fax::
>>>> +1 (985) 360-3614
>>>> Cell:
>>>> +1 (985) 791-2938
>>>> e-mail:
>>>> rforetjratcomcastdotnet
>>>> Skype Name:
>>>> barefootedray
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:43 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Vacuuming and mopping are much easier because it is easy for one to see
>>>> his/her work.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Kathleen Millhoff" <kmillhoff at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:31 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi, you could have Robert make a TP out of this; and, yes, you haven't
>>>>> asked this question for quite some time. I would bet that the
>>>>> additional tactile and vestibular info offered by bare feet is
>>>>> valuable to blind people. to say nothing of the fact that shoes carry
>>>>> some pretty yucky stuff into the house. You should move to the islands
>>>>> where people wear shoes when necessary, but mostly are barefoot inside
>>>>> and wearing zoris (what you guys call flip-flops) outside. (some folks
>>>>> also call them slippers, but they're not the bedroom slipper kind). I
>>>>> seldom find shoes that work well for me, and this includes Berkies and
>>>>> the rest.
>>>>> also, it's always summer here I'm glad to say.
>>>>> best,
>>>>> kat
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/17/09, Ray Foret jr <rforetjr at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> With summer practically upon us?  I just thought I'd  throw this out
>>>>>> there.
>>>>>> Should blind people go barefoot; either inside or outside?  It's been
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> couple or three years since somebody else broached the subject; and
>>>>>> so,
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> just thought I'd get the general opinions out there.  Can it be tied
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> blindness in any way?  IF so, why?  IF not, why?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ray
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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