[Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?

Thu Jun 18 02:51:40 UTC 2009

Well, Jesica, it's like this.  I just asked the question as to whether or 
not the blind should go barefooted.  Jeff decided to be childish and tell us 
that we are all stupid to even contemplate going barefooted; even in the 
comfort of our own homes.  He then proceeded to tell us about all kinds of 
horrible things that happened to people.  Gary Wonder then made what I 
reckon is one of the best defenses of going barefooted I have ever seen.  He 
put Jeff in his place too.  You see, Jeff is assuming that we are all stupid 
and that he has all the answers and if only we would just follow his 
prescription for life, well, we would never even let the soles of our bare 
feet touch the floor; we would never even get out of our comfy cozy little 
blindie worlds because it's much to dangerous out there for us poor delicate 
pitiful things all delicate like we are; and, don't yuh know, we'd break at 
the slightest touch...oops, I think I just shattered my finger typing on the 
keyboard...outch!!!

Sincerely,
The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray

"Old friend, what are you looking for?  After those many years abroad you 
come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from your own land"
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jessica Kostiw" <jessicac.kostiw at gmail.com>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?

Hello All,
My name is Jessica.  I am 25, and joined this list a few months back, but am
not sure if I introduced my self.  I have been reading some, but not all
posts.

Maybe I missed something, but where did all this bashing between Jeff and
the list  come from?  I should state that while I my self am lucky to have a
good job as a federal employee, the key word in that sentence is lucky.  We
all know the discrimination that the blind face when trying to get a job.
The stats for unemployment have been around 70% for years now, and we are
now in a devastating economy.  What does insulting one and other do??  Are
there people out there who just live off the system?  Of course.  I my self
have never received SSI or SSDI, I admit I have even been guilty of judging
some for doing so, but instead of slamming those who are why not try and
help them network to try and find a job.  This is all common sense, I could
go on, but we are all adults.  Last thing I will say, remember while you sit
there and type on your computers alone in your house, what you right goes
into an archive that anyone can read.

Regards,
Jessica Kostiw
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?

> So, besides this meaningless mental masturbation, what else do you do
> while
> you sit at home living off my tax dollar.  If, as the NFB says, the blind
> can do anything the sighted can if given a chance, why do so many of you
> lazy cripples sit at home living on charity.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Steve P. Deeley
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:17 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>
> Great rebuttal Gary!!!
> Steve
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>
>
>> Hello Jeff. Yes, we only discuss this kind of thing when you are at work,
>> because we know under your supervision it would never be tolerated. Let
>> me
>> point out, if I may, that not all blind people are diabetics, that not
>> all
>> blind people stub their toes when they go barefooted in the familiar
>> surroundings of their home, and that some of us do find that the ability
>> to
>> feel with our feet is of tremendous importance when doing things such as
>> vacuuming, mopping, and, incidentally, looking for dropped change. It is
>> not
>> as simple as saying that anyone with brains wears shoes, and anyone who
>> is
>> blind is necessarily stupid if they don't. Get a grip!
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jeff Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>
>>
>>> Is this the kind of crap you folks discuss when I'm at work.  I would
>>> say
>>> yes, if you happen to be blind and stupid.  In the house there is the
>>> problem of toe stubbing, etc.    Outside, who knows what kind of
>>> disgusting
>>> or dangerous thing you can step on or into.  At the beech, along the
>>> water
>>> line is nice.  Then there is the high correlation  between diabetes and
>>> blindness from diabetic retinopathy.  People with diabetes have
>>> neuropathy.
>>> They lose the feelings in their extremities, like feet.  Also they don't
>>> heal well.  I had a patient who, in his home, barefoot, he stepped on a
>>> nail.  It was in his foot and became infected after  a week or so.  As a
>>> consequence he lost his leg.  That must have given him a feeling of
>>> freedom.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Ron Poire
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:38 PM
>>> To: Ray Foret jr; Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I like going barefoot in my own home.
>>> I never thought about mopping the floor or vacuuming barefoot.  I would
>>> be
>>> afraid of stubbing my toe on something, which would ruin the whole
>>> pleasurable experience.
>>> I would definitely not go barefoot in a public place, because of
>>> diseases
>>> and toe stubbing.  Not to mention national convention, where one's feet
>>> are
>>> quite vulnerable to people's canes and sniffing dogs.
>>> It's a great comic discussion, on a par with walking barefoot in the
>>> woods.
>>>
>>> Ron Poire
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>
>>> To: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:19 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Especially when the floors are all completely smooth tile, as they are
>>>> in
>>>> my
>>>> new place.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>>>>
>>>> "Old friend, what are you looking for?  After those many years abroad
>>>> you
>>>> come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from your own
>>>> land"
>>>> George Seferis
>>>>
>>>> Phone or Fax::
>>>> +1 (985) 360-3614
>>>> Cell:
>>>> +1 (985) 791-2938
>>>> e-mail:
>>>> rforetjratcomcastdotnet
>>>> Skype Name:
>>>> barefootedray
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:43 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Vacuuming and mopping are much easier because it is easy for one to see
>>>> his/her work.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Kathleen Millhoff" <kmillhoff at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:31 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi, you could have Robert make a TP out of this; and, yes, you haven't
>>>>> asked this question for quite some time. I would bet that the
>>>>> additional tactile and vestibular info offered by bare feet is
>>>>> valuable to blind people. to say nothing of the fact that shoes carry
>>>>> some pretty yucky stuff into the house. You should move to the islands
>>>>> where people wear shoes when necessary, but mostly are barefoot inside
>>>>> and wearing zoris (what you guys call flip-flops) outside. (some folks
>>>>> also call them slippers, but they're not the bedroom slipper kind). I
>>>>> seldom find shoes that work well for me, and this includes Berkies and
>>>>> the rest.
>>>>> also, it's always summer here I'm glad to say.
>>>>> best,
>>>>> kat
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/17/09, Ray Foret jr <rforetjr at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> With summer practically upon us?  I just thought I'd  throw this out
>>>>>> there.
>>>>>> Should blind people go barefoot; either inside or outside?  It's been
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> couple or three years since somebody else broached the subject; and
>>>>>> so,
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> just thought I'd get the general opinions out there.  Can it be tied
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> blindness in any way?  IF so, why?  IF not, why?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ray
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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