[Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?

Thu Jun 18 02:50:36 UTC 2009

By the way.  I did not think you could do this but my husband did and then I 
did as well.  You can still receive posts from this list, but you can block 
Jeff.  I have done this on all the lists that we both have been on.  I 
really am surprised the moderators let him stay on, but that's there choice 
and I choose mine "block sender".

Merry

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Constance Canode" <satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?

> Jeff,
>
> I don't know you personally, will probably never meet you, and I cannot 
> begin to tell you what incredible joy that brings me.  When you used the 
> word "crap" in your post, that is a perfect description of your attitude. 
> I know I am going to hear about what I just said from people on the list 
> and probably the list owner, but so be it.  I am barefoot in my own home 
> all the time, am not a stupid, uncoordinated or clumsy person.  How dare 
> you to be so presumtuous about other blind people, and yes, I probably 
> spelled that word wrong.
>
> Connie Canode
> At 06:09 PM 6/17/2009, you wrote:
>>Hello Jeff. Yes, we only discuss this kind of thing when you are at work, 
>>because we know under your supervision it would never be tolerated. Let me 
>>point out, if I may, that not all blind people are diabetics, that not all 
>>blind people stub their toes when they go barefooted in the familiar 
>>surroundings of their home, and that some of us do find that the ability 
>>to feel with our feet is of tremendous importance when doing things such 
>>as vacuuming, mopping, and, incidentally, looking for dropped change. It 
>>is not as simple as saying that anyone with brains wears shoes, and anyone 
>>who is blind is necessarily stupid if they don't. Get a grip!
>>
>>Gary
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Schwartz" 
>><sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
>>To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:15 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>
>>
>>>Is this the kind of crap you folks discuss when I'm at work.  I would say
>>>yes, if you happen to be blind and stupid.  In the house there is the
>>>problem of toe stubbing, etc.    Outside, who knows what kind of 
>>>disgusting
>>>or dangerous thing you can step on or into.  At the beech, along the 
>>>water
>>>line is nice.  Then there is the high correlation  between diabetes and
>>>blindness from diabetic retinopathy.  People with diabetes have 
>>>neuropathy.
>>>They lose the feelings in their extremities, like feet.  Also they don't
>>>heal well.  I had a patient who, in his home, barefoot, he stepped on a
>>>nail.  It was in his foot and became infected after  a week or so.  As a
>>>consequence he lost his leg.  That must have given him a feeling of 
>>>freedom.
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>Behalf Of Ron Poire
>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:38 PM
>>>To: Ray Foret jr; Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>
>>>Hi all,
>>>I like going barefoot in my own home.
>>>I never thought about mopping the floor or vacuuming barefoot.  I would 
>>>be
>>>afraid of stubbing my toe on something, which would ruin the whole
>>>pleasurable experience.
>>>I would definitely not go barefoot in a public place, because of diseases
>>>and toe stubbing.  Not to mention national convention, where one's feet 
>>>are
>>>quite vulnerable to people's canes and sniffing dogs.
>>>It's a great comic discussion, on a par with walking barefoot in the 
>>>woods.
>>>
>>>Ron Poire
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>
>>>To: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>><blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:19 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>
>>>
>>>>Especially when the floors are all completely smooth tile, as they are 
>>>>in
>>>>my
>>>>new place.
>>>>
>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>>>>
>>>>"Old friend, what are you looking for?  After those many years abroad 
>>>>you
>>>>come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from your own
>>>>land"
>>>>George Seferis
>>>>
>>>>Phone or Fax::
>>>>+1 (985) 360-3614
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>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>
>>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:43 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Vacuuming and mopping are much easier because it is easy for one to see
>>>>his/her work.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen Millhoff" 
>>>><kmillhoff at gmail.com>
>>>>To: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>>><blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:31 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi, you could have Robert make a TP out of this; and, yes, you haven't
>>>>>asked this question for quite some time. I would bet that the
>>>>>additional tactile and vestibular info offered by bare feet is
>>>>>valuable to blind people. to say nothing of the fact that shoes carry
>>>>>some pretty yucky stuff into the house. You should move to the islands
>>>>>where people wear shoes when necessary, but mostly are barefoot inside
>>>>>and wearing zoris (what you guys call flip-flops) outside. (some folks
>>>>>also call them slippers, but they're not the bedroom slipper kind). I
>>>>>seldom find shoes that work well for me, and this includes Berkies and
>>>>>the rest.
>>>>>also, it's always summer here I'm glad to say.
>>>>>best,
>>>>>kat
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On 6/17/09, Ray Foret jr <rforetjr at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>With summer practically upon us?  I just thought I'd  throw this out
>>>>>>there.
>>>>>>Should blind people go barefoot; either inside or outside?  It's been 
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>couple or three years since somebody else broached the subject; and 
>>>>>>so,
>>>>>>I
>>>>>>just thought I'd get the general opinions out there.  Can it be tied 
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>blindness in any way?  IF so, why?  IF not, why?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ray
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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