[Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
Joel Zimba
jzimba at cavtel.net
Thu Jun 18 04:26:44 UTC 2009
blind people syhould only be barefoot if they have very sexy feet. Oh
wait, that goes for sighted people too. my bad.
Joel
On 6/17/2009 11:44 PM, Peter Donahue wrote:
> Hello Ray and listers,
>
> Firstly I didn't realize it was you asking the question. If sighted people
> can go barefoot blind persons who feel so inclined to do so should do the
> same. Have fun bare footing!
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray Foret jr"<rforetjr at comcast.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List"<blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 9:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>
>
> Well, Jesica, it's like this. I just asked the question as to whether or
> not the blind should go barefooted. Jeff decided to be childish and tell us
> that we are all stupid to even contemplate going barefooted; even in the
> comfort of our own homes. He then proceeded to tell us about all kinds of
> horrible things that happened to people. Gary Wonder then made what I
> reckon is one of the best defenses of going barefooted I have ever seen. He
> put Jeff in his place too. You see, Jeff is assuming that we are all stupid
> and that he has all the answers and if only we would just follow his
> prescription for life, well, we would never even let the soles of our bare
> feet touch the floor; we would never even get out of our comfy cozy little
> blindie worlds because it's much to dangerous out there for us poor delicate
> pitiful things all delicate like we are; and, don't yuh know, we'd break at
> the slightest touch...oops, I think I just shattered my finger typing on the
> keyboard...outch!!!
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>
> "Old friend, what are you looking for? After those many years abroad you
> come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from your own land"
> George Seferis
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jessica Kostiw"<jessicac.kostiw at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List"<blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 9:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>
>
> Hello All,
> My name is Jessica. I am 25, and joined this list a few months back, but am
> not sure if I introduced my self. I have been reading some, but not all
> posts.
>
> Maybe I missed something, but where did all this bashing between Jeff and
> the list come from? I should state that while I my self am lucky to have a
> good job as a federal employee, the key word in that sentence is lucky. We
> all know the discrimination that the blind face when trying to get a job.
> The stats for unemployment have been around 70% for years now, and we are
> now in a devastating economy. What does insulting one and other do?? Are
> there people out there who just live off the system? Of course. I my self
> have never received SSI or SSDI, I admit I have even been guilty of judging
> some for doing so, but instead of slamming those who are why not try and
> help them network to try and find a job. This is all common sense, I could
> go on, but we are all adults. Last thing I will say, remember while you sit
> there and type on your computers alone in your house, what you right goes
> into an archive that anyone can read.
>
> Regards,
> Jessica Kostiw
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Schwartz"<sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'"<blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>
>
>
>> So, besides this meaningless mental masturbation, what else do you do
>> while
>> you sit at home living off my tax dollar. If, as the NFB says, the blind
>> can do anything the sighted can if given a chance, why do so many of you
>> lazy cripples sit at home living on charity.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Steve P. Deeley
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:17 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>
>> Great rebuttal Gary!!!
>> Steve
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gary Wunder"<gwunder at earthlink.net>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List"<blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hello Jeff. Yes, we only discuss this kind of thing when you are at work,
>>> because we know under your supervision it would never be tolerated. Let
>>> me
>>> point out, if I may, that not all blind people are diabetics, that not
>>> all
>>> blind people stub their toes when they go barefooted in the familiar
>>> surroundings of their home, and that some of us do find that the ability
>>> to
>>> feel with our feet is of tremendous importance when doing things such as
>>> vacuuming, mopping, and, incidentally, looking for dropped change. It is
>>> not
>>> as simple as saying that anyone with brains wears shoes, and anyone who
>>> is
>>> blind is necessarily stupid if they don't. Get a grip!
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jeff Schwartz"<sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'"<blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:15 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Is this the kind of crap you folks discuss when I'm at work. I would
>>>> say
>>>> yes, if you happen to be blind and stupid. In the house there is the
>>>> problem of toe stubbing, etc. Outside, who knows what kind of
>>>> disgusting
>>>> or dangerous thing you can step on or into. At the beech, along the
>>>> water
>>>> line is nice. Then there is the high correlation between diabetes and
>>>> blindness from diabetic retinopathy. People with diabetes have
>>>> neuropathy.
>>>> They lose the feelings in their extremities, like feet. Also they don't
>>>> heal well. I had a patient who, in his home, barefoot, he stepped on a
>>>> nail. It was in his foot and became infected after a week or so. As a
>>>> consequence he lost his leg. That must have given him a feeling of
>>>> freedom.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Ron Poire
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:38 PM
>>>> To: Ray Foret jr; Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I like going barefoot in my own home.
>>>> I never thought about mopping the floor or vacuuming barefoot. I would
>>>> be
>>>> afraid of stubbing my toe on something, which would ruin the whole
>>>> pleasurable experience.
>>>> I would definitely not go barefoot in a public place, because of
>>>> diseases
>>>> and toe stubbing. Not to mention national convention, where one's feet
>>>> are
>>>> quite vulnerable to people's canes and sniffing dogs.
>>>> It's a great comic discussion, on a par with walking barefoot in the
>>>> woods.
>>>>
>>>> Ron Poire
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Ray Foret jr"<rforetjr at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "Gary Wunder"<gwunder at earthlink.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:19 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Especially when the floors are all completely smooth tile, as they are
>>>>> in
>>>>> my
>>>>> new place.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>>>>>
>>>>> "Old friend, what are you looking for? After those many years abroad
>>>>> you
>>>>> come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from your own
>>>>> land"
>>>>> George Seferis
>>>>>
>>>>> Phone or Fax::
>>>>> +1 (985) 360-3614
>>>>> Cell:
>>>>> +1 (985) 791-2938
>>>>> e-mail:
>>>>> rforetjratcomcastdotnet
>>>>> Skype Name:
>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Gary Wunder"<gwunder at earthlink.net>
>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List"<blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:43 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Vacuuming and mopping are much easier because it is easy for one to see
>>>>> his/her work.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Kathleen Millhoff"<kmillhoff at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Ray Foret jr"<rforetjr at comcast.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:31 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, you could have Robert make a TP out of this; and, yes, you haven't
>>>>>> asked this question for quite some time. I would bet that the
>>>>>> additional tactile and vestibular info offered by bare feet is
>>>>>> valuable to blind people. to say nothing of the fact that shoes carry
>>>>>> some pretty yucky stuff into the house. You should move to the islands
>>>>>> where people wear shoes when necessary, but mostly are barefoot inside
>>>>>> and wearing zoris (what you guys call flip-flops) outside. (some folks
>>>>>> also call them slippers, but they're not the bedroom slipper kind). I
>>>>>> seldom find shoes that work well for me, and this includes Berkies and
>>>>>> the rest.
>>>>>> also, it's always summer here I'm glad to say.
>>>>>> best,
>>>>>> kat
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/17/09, Ray Foret jr<rforetjr at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With summer practically upon us? I just thought I'd throw this out
>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>> Should blind people go barefoot; either inside or outside? It's been
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> couple or three years since somebody else broached the subject; and
>>>>>>> so,
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> just thought I'd get the general opinions out there. Can it be tied
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> blindness in any way? IF so, why? IF not, why?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ray
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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