[Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?

Merry Schoch merrys at verizon.net
Thu Jun 18 09:20:06 UTC 2009


Absolutely Sarah!!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sarah Baughn" <sarahb006 at comcast.net>
To: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List" 
<blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?


> Yeah, and I think he also has a B.S., because he's B.S-ing everybody when 
> he says that he's a psychologist, because I don't think a psychologist 
> would trash people the way that he does.  Someone who works in the field 
> in which he claims to work should build people up, not tear them down.
> Sarah
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>
>
>> Jessica,
>>    It's because some blind people are unable to cope with and, therefore, 
>> are very angry about their blindness; rather than admitting that they 
>> have poor self-image and a feeling of impotency, they choose to lash out 
>> at others to make themselves feel powerful! Just my professional opinion, 
>> even though he called me a quack! I guess another way of discounting me 
>> in an effort to shore up his ego defense mechanisms!  BTW, do the others 
>> on the list know that they can block individual users so as to not 
>> receive any messages they send to you, whether on- or off-list? You know 
>> what they say about what those letters stand for: B.S., M.S., Ph.D? The 
>> person to whom you responded has a Ph.D.: Piled high & Deeper! (smile)
>>
>> Fraternally,
>> Marion Gwizdala, M.S. (More S**t)
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jessica Kostiw" <jessicac.kostiw at gmail.com>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>
>>
>>> Hello All,
>>> My name is Jessica.  I am 25, and joined this list a few months back, 
>>> but am not sure if I introduced my self.  I have been reading some, but 
>>> not all posts.
>>>
>>> Maybe I missed something, but where did all this bashing between Jeff 
>>> and the list  come from?  I should state that while I my self am lucky 
>>> to have a good job as a federal employee, the key word in that sentence 
>>> is lucky. We all know the discrimination that the blind face when trying 
>>> to get a job. The stats for unemployment have been around 70% for years 
>>> now, and we are now in a devastating economy.  What does insulting one 
>>> and other do?? Are there people out there who just live off the system? 
>>> Of course.  I my self have never received SSI or SSDI, I admit I have 
>>> even been guilty of judging some for doing so, but instead of slamming 
>>> those who are why not try and help them network to try and find a job. 
>>> This is all common sense, I could go on, but we are all adults.  Last 
>>> thing I will say, remember while you sit there and type on your 
>>> computers alone in your house, what you right goes into an archive that 
>>> anyone can read.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Jessica Kostiw
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Jeff Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:34 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>
>>>
>>>> So, besides this meaningless mental masturbation, what else do you do 
>>>> while
>>>> you sit at home living off my tax dollar.  If, as the NFB says, the 
>>>> blind
>>>> can do anything the sighted can if given a chance, why do so many of 
>>>> you
>>>> lazy cripples sit at home living on charity.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Steve P. Deeley
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:17 PM
>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>
>>>> Great rebuttal Gary!!!
>>>> Steve
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:09 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Jeff. Yes, we only discuss this kind of thing when you are at 
>>>>> work,
>>>>> because we know under your supervision it would never be tolerated. 
>>>>> Let me
>>>>> point out, if I may, that not all blind people are diabetics, that not 
>>>>> all
>>>>> blind people stub their toes when they go barefooted in the familiar
>>>>> surroundings of their home, and that some of us do find that the 
>>>>> ability
>>>>> to
>>>>> feel with our feet is of tremendous importance when doing things such 
>>>>> as
>>>>> vacuuming, mopping, and, incidentally, looking for dropped change. It 
>>>>> is
>>>>> not
>>>>> as simple as saying that anyone with brains wears shoes, and anyone 
>>>>> who is
>>>>> blind is necessarily stupid if they don't. Get a grip!
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Jeff Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:15 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this the kind of crap you folks discuss when I'm at work.  I would 
>>>>>> say
>>>>>> yes, if you happen to be blind and stupid.  In the house there is the
>>>>>> problem of toe stubbing, etc.    Outside, who knows what kind of
>>>>>> disgusting
>>>>>> or dangerous thing you can step on or into.  At the beech, along the
>>>>>> water
>>>>>> line is nice.  Then there is the high correlation  between diabetes 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> blindness from diabetic retinopathy.  People with diabetes have
>>>>>> neuropathy.
>>>>>> They lose the feelings in their extremities, like feet.  Also they 
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>> heal well.  I had a patient who, in his home, barefoot, he stepped on 
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> nail.  It was in his foot and became infected after  a week or so. 
>>>>>> As a
>>>>>> consequence he lost his leg.  That must have given him a feeling of
>>>>>> freedom.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Ron Poire
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:38 PM
>>>>>> To: Ray Foret jr; Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> I like going barefoot in my own home.
>>>>>> I never thought about mopping the floor or vacuuming barefoot.  I 
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> afraid of stubbing my toe on something, which would ruin the whole
>>>>>> pleasurable experience.
>>>>>> I would definitely not go barefoot in a public place, because of 
>>>>>> diseases
>>>>>> and toe stubbing.  Not to mention national convention, where one's 
>>>>>> feet
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> quite vulnerable to people's canes and sniffing dogs.
>>>>>> It's a great comic discussion, on a par with walking barefoot in the
>>>>>> woods.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ron Poire
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>
>>>>>> To: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:19 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Especially when the floors are all completely smooth tile, as they 
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> new place.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Old friend, what are you looking for?  After those many years 
>>>>>>> abroad
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from your 
>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>> land"
>>>>>>> George Seferis
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Phone or Fax::
>>>>>>> +1 (985) 360-3614
>>>>>>> Cell:
>>>>>>> +1 (985) 791-2938
>>>>>>> e-mail:
>>>>>>> rforetjratcomcastdotnet
>>>>>>> Skype Name:
>>>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>> From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:43 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vacuuming and mopping are much easier because it is easy for one to 
>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>> his/her work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>> From: "Kathleen Millhoff" <kmillhoff at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:31 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi, you could have Robert make a TP out of this; and, yes, you 
>>>>>>>> haven't
>>>>>>>> asked this question for quite some time. I would bet that the
>>>>>>>> additional tactile and vestibular info offered by bare feet is
>>>>>>>> valuable to blind people. to say nothing of the fact that shoes 
>>>>>>>> carry
>>>>>>>> some pretty yucky stuff into the house. You should move to the 
>>>>>>>> islands
>>>>>>>> where people wear shoes when necessary, but mostly are barefoot 
>>>>>>>> inside
>>>>>>>> and wearing zoris (what you guys call flip-flops) outside. (some 
>>>>>>>> folks
>>>>>>>> also call them slippers, but they're not the bedroom slipper kind). 
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> seldom find shoes that work well for me, and this includes Berkies 
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> the rest.
>>>>>>>> also, it's always summer here I'm glad to say.
>>>>>>>> best,
>>>>>>>> kat
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/17/09, Ray Foret jr <rforetjr at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> With summer practically upon us?  I just thought I'd  throw this 
>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>>> Should blind people go barefoot; either inside or outside?  It's 
>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> couple or three years since somebody else broached the subject; 
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> so,
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> just thought I'd get the general opinions out there.  Can it be 
>>>>>>>>> tied
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> blindness in any way?  IF so, why?  IF not, why?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ray
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>> kathy millhoff - "Let each morn be better than its eve, and each
>>>>>>>> morrow richer than its yesterday."
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