[Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
Merry Schoch
merrys at verizon.net
Thu Jun 18 09:20:06 UTC 2009
Absolutely Sarah!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah Baughn" <sarahb006 at comcast.net>
To: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
<blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
> Yeah, and I think he also has a B.S., because he's B.S-ing everybody when
> he says that he's a psychologist, because I don't think a psychologist
> would trash people the way that he does. Someone who works in the field
> in which he claims to work should build people up, not tear them down.
> Sarah
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>
>
>> Jessica,
>> It's because some blind people are unable to cope with and, therefore,
>> are very angry about their blindness; rather than admitting that they
>> have poor self-image and a feeling of impotency, they choose to lash out
>> at others to make themselves feel powerful! Just my professional opinion,
>> even though he called me a quack! I guess another way of discounting me
>> in an effort to shore up his ego defense mechanisms! BTW, do the others
>> on the list know that they can block individual users so as to not
>> receive any messages they send to you, whether on- or off-list? You know
>> what they say about what those letters stand for: B.S., M.S., Ph.D? The
>> person to whom you responded has a Ph.D.: Piled high & Deeper! (smile)
>>
>> Fraternally,
>> Marion Gwizdala, M.S. (More S**t)
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jessica Kostiw" <jessicac.kostiw at gmail.com>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>
>>
>>> Hello All,
>>> My name is Jessica. I am 25, and joined this list a few months back,
>>> but am not sure if I introduced my self. I have been reading some, but
>>> not all posts.
>>>
>>> Maybe I missed something, but where did all this bashing between Jeff
>>> and the list come from? I should state that while I my self am lucky
>>> to have a good job as a federal employee, the key word in that sentence
>>> is lucky. We all know the discrimination that the blind face when trying
>>> to get a job. The stats for unemployment have been around 70% for years
>>> now, and we are now in a devastating economy. What does insulting one
>>> and other do?? Are there people out there who just live off the system?
>>> Of course. I my self have never received SSI or SSDI, I admit I have
>>> even been guilty of judging some for doing so, but instead of slamming
>>> those who are why not try and help them network to try and find a job.
>>> This is all common sense, I could go on, but we are all adults. Last
>>> thing I will say, remember while you sit there and type on your
>>> computers alone in your house, what you right goes into an archive that
>>> anyone can read.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Jessica Kostiw
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jeff Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:34 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>
>>>
>>>> So, besides this meaningless mental masturbation, what else do you do
>>>> while
>>>> you sit at home living off my tax dollar. If, as the NFB says, the
>>>> blind
>>>> can do anything the sighted can if given a chance, why do so many of
>>>> you
>>>> lazy cripples sit at home living on charity.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Steve P. Deeley
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:17 PM
>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>
>>>> Great rebuttal Gary!!!
>>>> Steve
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:09 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Jeff. Yes, we only discuss this kind of thing when you are at
>>>>> work,
>>>>> because we know under your supervision it would never be tolerated.
>>>>> Let me
>>>>> point out, if I may, that not all blind people are diabetics, that not
>>>>> all
>>>>> blind people stub their toes when they go barefooted in the familiar
>>>>> surroundings of their home, and that some of us do find that the
>>>>> ability
>>>>> to
>>>>> feel with our feet is of tremendous importance when doing things such
>>>>> as
>>>>> vacuuming, mopping, and, incidentally, looking for dropped change. It
>>>>> is
>>>>> not
>>>>> as simple as saying that anyone with brains wears shoes, and anyone
>>>>> who is
>>>>> blind is necessarily stupid if they don't. Get a grip!
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Jeff Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:15 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this the kind of crap you folks discuss when I'm at work. I would
>>>>>> say
>>>>>> yes, if you happen to be blind and stupid. In the house there is the
>>>>>> problem of toe stubbing, etc. Outside, who knows what kind of
>>>>>> disgusting
>>>>>> or dangerous thing you can step on or into. At the beech, along the
>>>>>> water
>>>>>> line is nice. Then there is the high correlation between diabetes
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> blindness from diabetic retinopathy. People with diabetes have
>>>>>> neuropathy.
>>>>>> They lose the feelings in their extremities, like feet. Also they
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>> heal well. I had a patient who, in his home, barefoot, he stepped on
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> nail. It was in his foot and became infected after a week or so.
>>>>>> As a
>>>>>> consequence he lost his leg. That must have given him a feeling of
>>>>>> freedom.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Ron Poire
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:38 PM
>>>>>> To: Ray Foret jr; Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> I like going barefoot in my own home.
>>>>>> I never thought about mopping the floor or vacuuming barefoot. I
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> afraid of stubbing my toe on something, which would ruin the whole
>>>>>> pleasurable experience.
>>>>>> I would definitely not go barefoot in a public place, because of
>>>>>> diseases
>>>>>> and toe stubbing. Not to mention national convention, where one's
>>>>>> feet
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> quite vulnerable to people's canes and sniffing dogs.
>>>>>> It's a great comic discussion, on a par with walking barefoot in the
>>>>>> woods.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ron Poire
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>
>>>>>> To: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:19 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Especially when the floors are all completely smooth tile, as they
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> new place.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Old friend, what are you looking for? After those many years
>>>>>>> abroad
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from your
>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>> land"
>>>>>>> George Seferis
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Phone or Fax::
>>>>>>> +1 (985) 360-3614
>>>>>>> Cell:
>>>>>>> +1 (985) 791-2938
>>>>>>> e-mail:
>>>>>>> rforetjratcomcastdotnet
>>>>>>> Skype Name:
>>>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:43 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vacuuming and mopping are much easier because it is easy for one to
>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>> his/her work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Kathleen Millhoff" <kmillhoff at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:31 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi, you could have Robert make a TP out of this; and, yes, you
>>>>>>>> haven't
>>>>>>>> asked this question for quite some time. I would bet that the
>>>>>>>> additional tactile and vestibular info offered by bare feet is
>>>>>>>> valuable to blind people. to say nothing of the fact that shoes
>>>>>>>> carry
>>>>>>>> some pretty yucky stuff into the house. You should move to the
>>>>>>>> islands
>>>>>>>> where people wear shoes when necessary, but mostly are barefoot
>>>>>>>> inside
>>>>>>>> and wearing zoris (what you guys call flip-flops) outside. (some
>>>>>>>> folks
>>>>>>>> also call them slippers, but they're not the bedroom slipper kind).
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> seldom find shoes that work well for me, and this includes Berkies
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> the rest.
>>>>>>>> also, it's always summer here I'm glad to say.
>>>>>>>> best,
>>>>>>>> kat
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/17/09, Ray Foret jr <rforetjr at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> With summer practically upon us? I just thought I'd throw this
>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>>> Should blind people go barefoot; either inside or outside? It's
>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> couple or three years since somebody else broached the subject;
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> so,
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> just thought I'd get the general opinions out there. Can it be
>>>>>>>>> tied
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> blindness in any way? IF so, why? IF not, why?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ray
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> kathy millhoff - "Let each morn be better than its eve, and each
>>>>>>>> morrow richer than its yesterday."
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