[Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?

Sarah Baughn sarahb006 at comcast.net
Thu Jun 18 03:09:54 UTC 2009 

You're awesome.  That was very nicely put.
Sarah
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jessica Kostiw" <jessicac.kostiw at gmail.com>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?


> Hello All,
> My name is Jessica.  I am 25, and joined this list a few months back, but 
> am not sure if I introduced my self.  I have been reading some, but not 
> all posts.
>
> Maybe I missed something, but where did all this bashing between Jeff and 
> the list  come from?  I should state that while I my self am lucky to have 
> a good job as a federal employee, the key word in that sentence is lucky. 
> We all know the discrimination that the blind face when trying to get a 
> job. The stats for unemployment have been around 70% for years now, and we 
> are now in a devastating economy.  What does insulting one and other do?? 
> Are there people out there who just live off the system?  Of course.  I my 
> self have never received SSI or SSDI, I admit I have even been guilty of 
> judging some for doing so, but instead of slamming those who are why not 
> try and help them network to try and find a job.  This is all common 
> sense, I could go on, but we are all adults.  Last thing I will say, 
> remember while you sit there and type on your computers alone in your 
> house, what you right goes into an archive that anyone can read.
>
> Regards,
> Jessica Kostiw
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jeff Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>
>
>> So, besides this meaningless mental masturbation, what else do you do 
>> while
>> you sit at home living off my tax dollar.  If, as the NFB says, the blind
>> can do anything the sighted can if given a chance, why do so many of you
>> lazy cripples sit at home living on charity.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Steve P. Deeley
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:17 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>
>> Great rebuttal Gary!!!
>> Steve
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>
>>
>>> Hello Jeff. Yes, we only discuss this kind of thing when you are at 
>>> work,
>>> because we know under your supervision it would never be tolerated. Let 
>>> me
>>> point out, if I may, that not all blind people are diabetics, that not 
>>> all
>>> blind people stub their toes when they go barefooted in the familiar
>>> surroundings of their home, and that some of us do find that the ability
>>> to
>>> feel with our feet is of tremendous importance when doing things such as
>>> vacuuming, mopping, and, incidentally, looking for dropped change. It is
>>> not
>>> as simple as saying that anyone with brains wears shoes, and anyone who 
>>> is
>>> blind is necessarily stupid if they don't. Get a grip!
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Jeff Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:15 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Is this the kind of crap you folks discuss when I'm at work.  I would 
>>>> say
>>>> yes, if you happen to be blind and stupid.  In the house there is the
>>>> problem of toe stubbing, etc.    Outside, who knows what kind of
>>>> disgusting
>>>> or dangerous thing you can step on or into.  At the beech, along the
>>>> water
>>>> line is nice.  Then there is the high correlation  between diabetes and
>>>> blindness from diabetic retinopathy.  People with diabetes have
>>>> neuropathy.
>>>> They lose the feelings in their extremities, like feet.  Also they 
>>>> don't
>>>> heal well.  I had a patient who, in his home, barefoot, he stepped on a
>>>> nail.  It was in his foot and became infected after  a week or so.  As 
>>>> a
>>>> consequence he lost his leg.  That must have given him a feeling of
>>>> freedom.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Ron Poire
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:38 PM
>>>> To: Ray Foret jr; Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I like going barefoot in my own home.
>>>> I never thought about mopping the floor or vacuuming barefoot.  I would
>>>> be
>>>> afraid of stubbing my toe on something, which would ruin the whole
>>>> pleasurable experience.
>>>> I would definitely not go barefoot in a public place, because of 
>>>> diseases
>>>> and toe stubbing.  Not to mention national convention, where one's feet
>>>> are
>>>> quite vulnerable to people's canes and sniffing dogs.
>>>> It's a great comic discussion, on a par with walking barefoot in the
>>>> woods.
>>>>
>>>> Ron Poire
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:19 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Especially when the floors are all completely smooth tile, as they are
>>>>> in
>>>>> my
>>>>> new place.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>>>>>
>>>>> "Old friend, what are you looking for?  After those many years abroad
>>>>> you
>>>>> come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from your own
>>>>> land"
>>>>> George Seferis
>>>>>
>>>>> Phone or Fax::
>>>>> +1 (985) 360-3614
>>>>> Cell:
>>>>> +1 (985) 791-2938
>>>>> e-mail:
>>>>> rforetjratcomcastdotnet
>>>>> Skype Name:
>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>
>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:43 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Vacuuming and mopping are much easier because it is easy for one to 
>>>>> see
>>>>> his/her work.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Kathleen Millhoff" <kmillhoff at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:31 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, you could have Robert make a TP out of this; and, yes, you 
>>>>>> haven't
>>>>>> asked this question for quite some time. I would bet that the
>>>>>> additional tactile and vestibular info offered by bare feet is
>>>>>> valuable to blind people. to say nothing of the fact that shoes carry
>>>>>> some pretty yucky stuff into the house. You should move to the 
>>>>>> islands
>>>>>> where people wear shoes when necessary, but mostly are barefoot 
>>>>>> inside
>>>>>> and wearing zoris (what you guys call flip-flops) outside. (some 
>>>>>> folks
>>>>>> also call them slippers, but they're not the bedroom slipper kind). I
>>>>>> seldom find shoes that work well for me, and this includes Berkies 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> the rest.
>>>>>> also, it's always summer here I'm glad to say.
>>>>>> best,
>>>>>> kat
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/17/09, Ray Foret jr <rforetjr at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> With summer practically upon us?  I just thought I'd  throw this out
>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>> Should blind people go barefoot; either inside or outside?  It's 
>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> couple or three years since somebody else broached the subject; and
>>>>>>> so,
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> just thought I'd get the general opinions out there.  Can it be tied
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> blindness in any way?  IF so, why?  IF not, why?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ray
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> kathy millhoff - "Let each morn be better than its eve, and each
>>>>>> morrow richer than its yesterday."
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