[Blindtlk] not the fire I intended to start: was: Re: should blindpeople go barefoot?

Thu Jun 18 14:47:51 UTC 2009

Why can't we have some humor once in awhile ??
Steve
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 4:22 AM
Subject: [Blindtlk] not the fire I intended to start: was: Re: should 
blindpeople go barefoot?


> I'm afraid I agree wit Dave on this one.  I just meant this as an innocent
> fun question.  I did not intend for it to become what it has.  I maintain
> that either we should return to the subject of the original thread, or, as
> Dave indicates below, allow it to die.  This will most likely be the last
> time I try to lighten things up a bit.  It pains me to think that a 
> question
> meant to lighten things up could turn out to result in what it has.
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>
> "Old friend, what are you looking for?  After those many years abroad you
> come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from your own 
> land"
> George Seferis
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 9:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>
>
> Everybody please drop this thread.  Jeffrey has been removed from the
> list, and banned from rejoining.  This is not the first list on which
> he has caused trouble.
>
> David Andrews
>
> At 07:46 PM 6/17/2009, you wrote:
>>Jeff,
>>
>>I don't know you personally, will probably never meet you, and I
>>cannot begin to tell you what incredible joy that brings me.  When
>>you used the word "crap" in your post, that is a perfect description
>>of your attitude.  I know I am going to hear about what I just said
>>from people on the list and probably the list owner, but so be
>>it.  I am barefoot in my own home all the time, am not a stupid,
>>uncoordinated or clumsy person.  How dare you to be so presumtuous
>>about other blind people, and yes, I probably spelled that word wrong.
>>
>>Connie Canode
>>At 06:09 PM 6/17/2009, you wrote:
>>>Hello Jeff. Yes, we only discuss this kind of thing when you are at
>>>work, because we know under your supervision it would never be
>>>tolerated. Let me point out, if I may, that not all blind people
>>>are diabetics, that not all blind people stub their toes when they
>>>go barefooted in the familiar surroundings of their home, and that
>>>some of us do find that the ability to feel with our feet is of
>>>tremendous importance when doing things such as vacuuming, mopping,
>>>and, incidentally, looking for dropped change. It is not as simple
>>>as saying that anyone with brains wears shoes, and anyone who is
>>>blind is necessarily stupid if they don't. Get a grip!
>>>
>>>Gary
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Schwartz"
>>><sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
>>>To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:15 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>
>>>
>>>>Is this the kind of crap you folks discuss when I'm at work.  I would 
>>>>say
>>>>yes, if you happen to be blind and stupid.  In the house there is the
>>>>problem of toe stubbing, etc.    Outside, who knows what kind of
>>>>disgusting
>>>>or dangerous thing you can step on or into.  At the beech, along the
>>>>water
>>>>line is nice.  Then there is the high correlation  between diabetes and
>>>>blindness from diabetic retinopathy.  People with diabetes have
>>>>neuropathy.
>>>>They lose the feelings in their extremities, like feet.  Also they don't
>>>>heal well.  I had a patient who, in his home, barefoot, he stepped on a
>>>>nail.  It was in his foot and became infected after  a week or so.  As a
>>>>consequence he lost his leg.  That must have given him a feeling of
>>>>freedom.
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>On
>>>>Behalf Of Ron Poire
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:38 PM
>>>>To: Ray Foret jr; Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>
>>>>Hi all,
>>>>I like going barefoot in my own home.
>>>>I never thought about mopping the floor or vacuuming barefoot.  I would
>>>>be
>>>>afraid of stubbing my toe on something, which would ruin the whole
>>>>pleasurable experience.
>>>>I would definitely not go barefoot in a public place, because of 
>>>>diseases
>>>>and toe stubbing.  Not to mention national convention, where one's feet
>>>>are
>>>>quite vulnerable to people's canes and sniffing dogs.
>>>>It's a great comic discussion, on a par with walking barefoot in the
>>>>woods.
>>>>
>>>>Ron Poire
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>
>>>>To: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>>><blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:19 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Especially when the floors are all completely smooth tile, as they are
>>>>>in
>>>>>my
>>>>>new place.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>>The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>>>>>
>>>>>"Old friend, what are you looking for?  After those many years abroad
>>>>>you
>>>>>come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from your own
>>>>>land"
>>>>>George Seferis
>>>>>
>>>>>Phone or Fax::
>>>>>+1 (985) 360-3614
>>>>>Cell:
>>>>>+1 (985) 791-2938
>>>>>e-mail:
>>>>>rforetjratcomcastdotnet
>>>>>Skype Name:
>>>>>barefootedray
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Wunder" 
>>>>><gwunder at earthlink.net>
>>>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:43 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Vacuuming and mopping are much easier because it is easy for one to see
>>>>>his/her work.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen Millhoff"
>>>>><kmillhoff at gmail.com>
>>>>>To: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>>>><blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:31 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi, you could have Robert make a TP out of this; and, yes, you haven't
>>>>>>asked this question for quite some time. I would bet that the
>>>>>>additional tactile and vestibular info offered by bare feet is
>>>>>>valuable to blind people. to say nothing of the fact that shoes carry
>>>>>>some pretty yucky stuff into the house. You should move to the islands
>>>>>>where people wear shoes when necessary, but mostly are barefoot inside
>>>>>>and wearing zoris (what you guys call flip-flops) outside. (some folks
>>>>>>also call them slippers, but they're not the bedroom slipper kind). I
>>>>>>seldom find shoes that work well for me, and this includes Berkies and
>>>>>>the rest.
>>>>>>also, it's always summer here I'm glad to say.
>>>>>>best,
>>>>>>kat
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On 6/17/09, Ray Foret jr <rforetjr at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>With summer practically upon us?  I just thought I'd  throw this out
>>>>>>>there.
>>>>>>>Should blind people go barefoot; either inside or outside?  It's been
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>couple or three years since somebody else broached the subject; and
>>>>>>>so,
>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>just thought I'd get the general opinions out there.  Can it be tied
>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>blindness in any way?  IF so, why?  IF not, why?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ray
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>--
>>>>>>kathy millhoff - "Let each morn be better than its eve, and each
>>>>>>morrow richer than its yesterday."
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