[Blindtlk] not the fire I intended to start: was: Re: shouldblindpeople go barefoot?

Thu Jun 18 18:24:23 UTC 2009

I don't think the problem was the humor. I think it was the insult given to 
the list by a man who seemed to regard most of us as uneducated morons.

Gary

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
To: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List" 
<blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] not the fire I intended to start: was: Re: 
shouldblindpeople go barefoot?

> Why can't we have some humor once in awhile ??
> Steve
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 4:22 AM
> Subject: [Blindtlk] not the fire I intended to start: was: Re: should 
> blindpeople go barefoot?
>
>
>> I'm afraid I agree wit Dave on this one.  I just meant this as an 
>> innocent
>> fun question.  I did not intend for it to become what it has.  I maintain
>> that either we should return to the subject of the original thread, or, 
>> as
>> Dave indicates below, allow it to die.  This will most likely be the last
>> time I try to lighten things up a bit.  It pains me to think that a 
>> question
>> meant to lighten things up could turn out to result in what it has.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>>
>> "Old friend, what are you looking for?  After those many years abroad you
>> come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from your own 
>> land"
>> George Seferis
>>
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>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 9:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>
>>
>> Everybody please drop this thread.  Jeffrey has been removed from the
>> list, and banned from rejoining.  This is not the first list on which
>> he has caused trouble.
>>
>> David Andrews
>>
>> At 07:46 PM 6/17/2009, you wrote:
>>>Jeff,
>>>
>>>I don't know you personally, will probably never meet you, and I
>>>cannot begin to tell you what incredible joy that brings me.  When
>>>you used the word "crap" in your post, that is a perfect description
>>>of your attitude.  I know I am going to hear about what I just said
>>>from people on the list and probably the list owner, but so be
>>>it.  I am barefoot in my own home all the time, am not a stupid,
>>>uncoordinated or clumsy person.  How dare you to be so presumtuous
>>>about other blind people, and yes, I probably spelled that word wrong.
>>>
>>>Connie Canode
>>>At 06:09 PM 6/17/2009, you wrote:
>>>>Hello Jeff. Yes, we only discuss this kind of thing when you are at
>>>>work, because we know under your supervision it would never be
>>>>tolerated. Let me point out, if I may, that not all blind people
>>>>are diabetics, that not all blind people stub their toes when they
>>>>go barefooted in the familiar surroundings of their home, and that
>>>>some of us do find that the ability to feel with our feet is of
>>>>tremendous importance when doing things such as vacuuming, mopping,
>>>>and, incidentally, looking for dropped change. It is not as simple
>>>>as saying that anyone with brains wears shoes, and anyone who is
>>>>blind is necessarily stupid if they don't. Get a grip!
>>>>
>>>>Gary
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Schwartz"
>>>><sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:15 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Is this the kind of crap you folks discuss when I'm at work.  I would 
>>>>>say
>>>>>yes, if you happen to be blind and stupid.  In the house there is the
>>>>>problem of toe stubbing, etc.    Outside, who knows what kind of
>>>>>disgusting
>>>>>or dangerous thing you can step on or into.  At the beech, along the
>>>>>water
>>>>>line is nice.  Then there is the high correlation  between diabetes and
>>>>>blindness from diabetic retinopathy.  People with diabetes have
>>>>>neuropathy.
>>>>>They lose the feelings in their extremities, like feet.  Also they 
>>>>>don't
>>>>>heal well.  I had a patient who, in his home, barefoot, he stepped on a
>>>>>nail.  It was in his foot and became infected after  a week or so.  As 
>>>>>a
>>>>>consequence he lost his leg.  That must have given him a feeling of
>>>>>freedom.
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>>On
>>>>>Behalf Of Ron Poire
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:38 PM
>>>>>To: Ray Foret jr; Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>I like going barefoot in my own home.
>>>>>I never thought about mopping the floor or vacuuming barefoot.  I would
>>>>>be
>>>>>afraid of stubbing my toe on something, which would ruin the whole
>>>>>pleasurable experience.
>>>>>I would definitely not go barefoot in a public place, because of 
>>>>>diseases
>>>>>and toe stubbing.  Not to mention national convention, where one's feet
>>>>>are
>>>>>quite vulnerable to people's canes and sniffing dogs.
>>>>>It's a great comic discussion, on a par with walking barefoot in the
>>>>>woods.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ron Poire
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret jr" 
>>>>><rforetjr at comcast.net>
>>>>>To: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>>>><blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:19 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Especially when the floors are all completely smooth tile, as they are
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>my
>>>>>>new place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>>>The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Old friend, what are you looking for?  After those many years abroad
>>>>>>you
>>>>>>come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from your own
>>>>>>land"
>>>>>>George Seferis
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Phone or Fax::
>>>>>>+1 (985) 360-3614
>>>>>>Cell:
>>>>>>+1 (985) 791-2938
>>>>>>e-mail:
>>>>>>rforetjratcomcastdotnet
>>>>>>Skype Name:
>>>>>>barefootedray
>>>>>>
>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Wunder" 
>>>>>><gwunder at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:43 AM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Vacuuming and mopping are much easier because it is easy for one to 
>>>>>>see
>>>>>>his/her work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen Millhoff"
>>>>>><kmillhoff at gmail.com>
>>>>>>To: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>>>>><blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:31 AM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi, you could have Robert make a TP out of this; and, yes, you 
>>>>>>>haven't
>>>>>>>asked this question for quite some time. I would bet that the
>>>>>>>additional tactile and vestibular info offered by bare feet is
>>>>>>>valuable to blind people. to say nothing of the fact that shoes carry
>>>>>>>some pretty yucky stuff into the house. You should move to the 
>>>>>>>islands
>>>>>>>where people wear shoes when necessary, but mostly are barefoot 
>>>>>>>inside
>>>>>>>and wearing zoris (what you guys call flip-flops) outside. (some 
>>>>>>>folks
>>>>>>>also call them slippers, but they're not the bedroom slipper kind). I
>>>>>>>seldom find shoes that work well for me, and this includes Berkies 
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>the rest.
>>>>>>>also, it's always summer here I'm glad to say.
>>>>>>>best,
>>>>>>>kat
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 6/17/09, Ray Foret jr <rforetjr at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>With summer practically upon us?  I just thought I'd  throw this out
>>>>>>>>there.
>>>>>>>>Should blind people go barefoot; either inside or outside?  It's 
>>>>>>>>been
>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>couple or three years since somebody else broached the subject; and
>>>>>>>>so,
>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>just thought I'd get the general opinions out there.  Can it be tied
>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>blindness in any way?  IF so, why?  IF not, why?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Ray
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>morrow richer than its yesterday."
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