[Blindtlk] not the fire I intended to start: was: Re:shouldblindpeople go barefoot?

Thu Jun 18 21:50:49 UTC 2009

Ray, your intent was fine.  Only one person made it not possible to carry on
the thread.  Please, introduce topics as you wish.  The bitter man is now
gone from the list.  You had no idea someone would go so negative due to his
own problems, not yours 

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From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of gloria
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 3:46 PM
To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] not the fire I intended to start: was:
Re:shouldblindpeople go barefoot?

I agree! 

Gloria Whipple
Corresponding Secretary
nfb of Wa
Inland Empire chapter
cell phone: 509-475-4993

-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Steve P. Deeley
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 7:48 AM
To: Ray Foret jr; Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] not the fire I intended to start: was: Re:
shouldblindpeople go barefoot?

Why can't we have some humor once in awhile ??
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 4:22 AM
Subject: [Blindtlk] not the fire I intended to start: was: Re: should
blindpeople go barefoot?

> I'm afraid I agree wit Dave on this one.  I just meant this as an 
> innocent fun question.  I did not intend for it to become what it has.  
> I maintain that either we should return to the subject of the original 
> thread, or, as Dave indicates below, allow it to die.  This will most 
> likely be the last time I try to lighten things up a bit.  It pains me 
> to think that a question meant to lighten things up could turn out to 
> result in what it has.
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>
> "Old friend, what are you looking for?  After those many years abroad 
> you come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from your 
> own land"
> George Seferis
>
> Phone or Fax::
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> Cell:
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 9:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>
>
> Everybody please drop this thread.  Jeffrey has been removed from the 
> list, and banned from rejoining.  This is not the first list on which 
> he has caused trouble.
>
> David Andrews
>
> At 07:46 PM 6/17/2009, you wrote:
>>Jeff,
>>
>>I don't know you personally, will probably never meet you, and I 
>>cannot begin to tell you what incredible joy that brings me.  When you 
>>used the word "crap" in your post, that is a perfect description of 
>>your attitude.  I know I am going to hear about what I just said from 
>>people on the list and probably the list owner, but so be it.  I am 
>>barefoot in my own home all the time, am not a stupid, uncoordinated 
>>or clumsy person.  How dare you to be so presumtuous about other blind 
>>people, and yes, I probably spelled that word wrong.
>>
>>Connie Canode
>>At 06:09 PM 6/17/2009, you wrote:
>>>Hello Jeff. Yes, we only discuss this kind of thing when you are at 
>>>work, because we know under your supervision it would never be 
>>>tolerated. Let me point out, if I may, that not all blind people are 
>>>diabetics, that not all blind people stub their toes when they go 
>>>barefooted in the familiar surroundings of their home, and that some 
>>>of us do find that the ability to feel with our feet is of tremendous 
>>>importance when doing things such as vacuuming, mopping, and, 
>>>incidentally, looking for dropped change. It is not as simple as 
>>>saying that anyone with brains wears shoes, and anyone who is blind 
>>>is necessarily stupid if they don't. Get a grip!
>>>
>>>Gary
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Schwartz"
>>><sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
>>>To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:15 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>
>>>
>>>>Is this the kind of crap you folks discuss when I'm at work.  I 
>>>>would say yes, if you happen to be blind and stupid.  In the house 
>>>>there is the
>>>>problem of toe stubbing, etc.    Outside, who knows what kind of
>>>>disgusting
>>>>or dangerous thing you can step on or into.  At the beech, along the 
>>>>water line is nice.  Then there is the high correlation  between 
>>>>diabetes and blindness from diabetic retinopathy.  People with 
>>>>diabetes have neuropathy.
>>>>They lose the feelings in their extremities, like feet.  Also they 
>>>>don't heal well.  I had a patient who, in his home, barefoot, he 
>>>>stepped on a nail.  It was in his foot and became infected after  a 
>>>>week or so.  As a consequence he lost his leg.  That must have given 
>>>>him a feeling of freedom.
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>>>[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>On
>>>>Behalf Of Ron Poire
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:38 PM
>>>>To: Ray Foret jr; Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>
>>>>Hi all,
>>>>I like going barefoot in my own home.
>>>>I never thought about mopping the floor or vacuuming barefoot.  I 
>>>>would be afraid of stubbing my toe on something, which would ruin 
>>>>the whole pleasurable experience.
>>>>I would definitely not go barefoot in a public place, because of 
>>>>diseases and toe stubbing.  Not to mention national convention, 
>>>>where one's feet are quite vulnerable to people's canes and sniffing 
>>>>dogs.
>>>>It's a great comic discussion, on a par with walking barefoot in the 
>>>>woods.
>>>>
>>>>Ron Poire
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret jr" 
>>>><rforetjr at comcast.net>
>>>>To: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>>><blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:19 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Especially when the floors are all completely smooth tile, as they 
>>>>>are in my new place.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>>The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>>>>>
>>>>>"Old friend, what are you looking for?  After those many years 
>>>>>abroad you come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away 
>>>>>from your own land"
>>>>>George Seferis
>>>>>
>>>>>Phone or Fax::
>>>>>+1 (985) 360-3614
>>>>>Cell:
>>>>>+1 (985) 791-2938
>>>>>e-mail:
>>>>>rforetjratcomcastdotnet
>>>>>Skype Name:
>>>>>barefootedray
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Wunder" 
>>>>><gwunder at earthlink.net>
>>>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:43 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Vacuuming and mopping are much easier because it is easy for one to 
>>>>>see his/her work.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen Millhoff"
>>>>><kmillhoff at gmail.com>
>>>>>To: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>>>><blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:31 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi, you could have Robert make a TP out of this; and, yes, you 
>>>>>>haven't asked this question for quite some time. I would bet that 
>>>>>>the additional tactile and vestibular info offered by bare feet is 
>>>>>>valuable to blind people. to say nothing of the fact that shoes 
>>>>>>carry some pretty yucky stuff into the house. You should move to 
>>>>>>the islands where people wear shoes when necessary, but mostly are 
>>>>>>barefoot inside and wearing zoris (what you guys call flip-flops) 
>>>>>>outside. (some folks also call them slippers, but they're not the 
>>>>>>bedroom slipper kind). I seldom find shoes that work well for me, 
>>>>>>and this includes Berkies and the rest.
>>>>>>also, it's always summer here I'm glad to say.
>>>>>>best,
>>>>>>kat
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On 6/17/09, Ray Foret jr <rforetjr at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>With summer practically upon us?  I just thought I'd  throw this 
>>>>>>>out there.
>>>>>>>Should blind people go barefoot; either inside or outside?  It's 
>>>>>>>been a couple or three years since somebody else broached the 
>>>>>>>subject; and so, I just thought I'd get the general opinions out 
>>>>>>>there.  Can it be tied in to blindness in any way?  IF so, why?  
>>>>>>>IF not, why?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ray
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>--
>>>>>>kathy millhoff - "Let each morn be better than its eve, and each 
>>>>>>morrow richer than its yesterday."
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