[Blindtlk] not the fire I intended to start: was: Re: shouldblindpeople go barefoot?
gloria
fairyfoot at webband.com
Thu Jun 18 19:45:47 UTC 2009
I agree!
Gloria Whipple
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nfb of Wa
Inland Empire chapter
cell phone: 509-475-4993
-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Steve P. Deeley
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 7:48 AM
To: Ray Foret jr; Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] not the fire I intended to start: was: Re:
shouldblindpeople go barefoot?
Why can't we have some humor once in awhile ??
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 4:22 AM
Subject: [Blindtlk] not the fire I intended to start: was: Re: should
blindpeople go barefoot?
> I'm afraid I agree wit Dave on this one. I just meant this as an
> innocent fun question. I did not intend for it to become what it has.
> I maintain that either we should return to the subject of the original
> thread, or, as Dave indicates below, allow it to die. This will most
> likely be the last time I try to lighten things up a bit. It pains me
> to think that a question meant to lighten things up could turn out to
> result in what it has.
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>
> "Old friend, what are you looking for? After those many years abroad
> you come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from your
> own land"
> George Seferis
>
> Phone or Fax::
> +1 (985) 360-3614
> Cell:
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 9:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>
>
> Everybody please drop this thread. Jeffrey has been removed from the
> list, and banned from rejoining. This is not the first list on which
> he has caused trouble.
>
> David Andrews
>
> At 07:46 PM 6/17/2009, you wrote:
>>Jeff,
>>
>>I don't know you personally, will probably never meet you, and I
>>cannot begin to tell you what incredible joy that brings me. When you
>>used the word "crap" in your post, that is a perfect description of
>>your attitude. I know I am going to hear about what I just said from
>>people on the list and probably the list owner, but so be it. I am
>>barefoot in my own home all the time, am not a stupid, uncoordinated
>>or clumsy person. How dare you to be so presumtuous about other blind
>>people, and yes, I probably spelled that word wrong.
>>
>>Connie Canode
>>At 06:09 PM 6/17/2009, you wrote:
>>>Hello Jeff. Yes, we only discuss this kind of thing when you are at
>>>work, because we know under your supervision it would never be
>>>tolerated. Let me point out, if I may, that not all blind people are
>>>diabetics, that not all blind people stub their toes when they go
>>>barefooted in the familiar surroundings of their home, and that some
>>>of us do find that the ability to feel with our feet is of tremendous
>>>importance when doing things such as vacuuming, mopping, and,
>>>incidentally, looking for dropped change. It is not as simple as
>>>saying that anyone with brains wears shoes, and anyone who is blind
>>>is necessarily stupid if they don't. Get a grip!
>>>
>>>Gary
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Schwartz"
>>><sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
>>>To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:15 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>
>>>
>>>>Is this the kind of crap you folks discuss when I'm at work. I
>>>>would say yes, if you happen to be blind and stupid. In the house
>>>>there is the
>>>>problem of toe stubbing, etc. Outside, who knows what kind of
>>>>disgusting
>>>>or dangerous thing you can step on or into. At the beech, along the
>>>>water line is nice. Then there is the high correlation between
>>>>diabetes and blindness from diabetic retinopathy. People with
>>>>diabetes have neuropathy.
>>>>They lose the feelings in their extremities, like feet. Also they
>>>>don't heal well. I had a patient who, in his home, barefoot, he
>>>>stepped on a nail. It was in his foot and became infected after a
>>>>week or so. As a consequence he lost his leg. That must have given
>>>>him a feeling of freedom.
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>On
>>>>Behalf Of Ron Poire
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:38 PM
>>>>To: Ray Foret jr; Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>
>>>>Hi all,
>>>>I like going barefoot in my own home.
>>>>I never thought about mopping the floor or vacuuming barefoot. I
>>>>would be afraid of stubbing my toe on something, which would ruin
>>>>the whole pleasurable experience.
>>>>I would definitely not go barefoot in a public place, because of
>>>>diseases and toe stubbing. Not to mention national convention,
>>>>where one's feet are quite vulnerable to people's canes and sniffing
>>>>dogs.
>>>>It's a great comic discussion, on a par with walking barefoot in the
>>>>woods.
>>>>
>>>>Ron Poire
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret jr"
>>>><rforetjr at comcast.net>
>>>>To: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>>><blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:19 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Especially when the floors are all completely smooth tile, as they
>>>>>are in my new place.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>>The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>>>>>
>>>>>"Old friend, what are you looking for? After those many years
>>>>>abroad you come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away
>>>>>from your own land"
>>>>>George Seferis
>>>>>
>>>>>Phone or Fax::
>>>>>+1 (985) 360-3614
>>>>>Cell:
>>>>>+1 (985) 791-2938
>>>>>e-mail:
>>>>>rforetjratcomcastdotnet
>>>>>Skype Name:
>>>>>barefootedray
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Wunder"
>>>>><gwunder at earthlink.net>
>>>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:43 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Vacuuming and mopping are much easier because it is easy for one to
>>>>>see his/her work.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen Millhoff"
>>>>><kmillhoff at gmail.com>
>>>>>To: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>>>><blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:31 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi, you could have Robert make a TP out of this; and, yes, you
>>>>>>haven't asked this question for quite some time. I would bet that
>>>>>>the additional tactile and vestibular info offered by bare feet is
>>>>>>valuable to blind people. to say nothing of the fact that shoes
>>>>>>carry some pretty yucky stuff into the house. You should move to
>>>>>>the islands where people wear shoes when necessary, but mostly are
>>>>>>barefoot inside and wearing zoris (what you guys call flip-flops)
>>>>>>outside. (some folks also call them slippers, but they're not the
>>>>>>bedroom slipper kind). I seldom find shoes that work well for me,
>>>>>>and this includes Berkies and the rest.
>>>>>>also, it's always summer here I'm glad to say.
>>>>>>best,
>>>>>>kat
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On 6/17/09, Ray Foret jr <rforetjr at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>With summer practically upon us? I just thought I'd throw this
>>>>>>>out there.
>>>>>>>Should blind people go barefoot; either inside or outside? It's
>>>>>>>been a couple or three years since somebody else broached the
>>>>>>>subject; and so, I just thought I'd get the general opinions out
>>>>>>>there. Can it be tied in to blindness in any way? IF so, why?
>>>>>>>IF not, why?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ray
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>--
>>>>>>kathy millhoff - "Let each morn be better than its eve, and each
>>>>>>morrow richer than its yesterday."
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