[Blindtlk] not the fire I intended to start:was:Re:shouldblindpeople go barefoot?

gloria fairyfoot at webband.com
Fri Jun 19 15:32:29 UTC 2009 

Sarah,

It is hard to type and laugh at the same time.!

Love it! 


Gloria Whipple
Corresponding Secretary
nfb of Wa
Inland Empire chapter
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Sarah Baughn
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:43 PM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] not the fire I intended to
start:was:Re:shouldblindpeople go barefoot?

Ding, dong, the moron's gone, the moron's gone, the moron's gone!!!  Ding,
dong, the moron Schwartz is gone!!!!!!  Sorry.  Couldn't resist.
Sarah
----- Original Message -----
From: "gloria" <fairyfoot at webband.com>
To: "'Gary Wunder'" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" 
<blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] not the fire I intended to start: 
was:Re:shouldblindpeople go barefoot?


>I am sure happy the moron is gone!
>
>
> Gloria Whipple
> Corresponding Secretary
> nfb of Wa
> Inland Empire chapter
> cell phone: 509-475-4993
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> On Behalf Of Gary Wunder
> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:24 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] not the fire I intended to start: was:
> Re:shouldblindpeople go barefoot?
>
> I don't think the problem was the humor. I think it was the insult 
> given to the list by a man who seemed to regard most of us as 
> uneducated morons.
>
> Gary
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
> To: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] not the fire I intended to start: was: Re:
> shouldblindpeople go barefoot?
>
>
>> Why can't we have some humor once in awhile ??
>> Steve
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 4:22 AM
>> Subject: [Blindtlk] not the fire I intended to start: was: Re: should 
>> blindpeople go barefoot?
>>
>>
>>> I'm afraid I agree wit Dave on this one.  I just meant this as an 
>>> innocent fun question.  I did not intend for it to become what it 
>>> has.  I maintain that either we should return to the subject of the 
>>> original thread, or, as Dave indicates below, allow it to die.  This 
>>> will most likely be the last time I try to lighten things up a bit.  
>>> It pains me to think that a question meant to lighten things up 
>>> could turn out to result in what it has.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>>>
>>> "Old friend, what are you looking for?  After those many years 
>>> abroad you come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away 
>>> from your own land"
>>> George Seferis
>>>
>>> Phone or Fax::
>>> +1 (985) 360-3614
>>> Cell:
>>> +1 (985) 791-2938
>>> e-mail:
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>>> Skype Name:
>>> barefootedray
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 9:41 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>
>>>
>>> Everybody please drop this thread.  Jeffrey has been removed from 
>>> the list, and banned from rejoining.  This is not the first list on 
>>> which he has caused trouble.
>>>
>>> David Andrews
>>>
>>> At 07:46 PM 6/17/2009, you wrote:
>>>>Jeff,
>>>>
>>>>I don't know you personally, will probably never meet you, and I 
>>>>cannot begin to tell you what incredible joy that brings me.  When 
>>>>you used the word "crap" in your post, that is a perfect description 
>>>>of your attitude.  I know I am going to hear about what I just said 
>>>>from people on the list and probably the list owner, but so be it.  
>>>>I am barefoot in my own home all the time, am not a stupid, 
>>>>uncoordinated or clumsy person.  How dare you to be so presumtuous 
>>>>about other blind people, and yes, I probably spelled that word wrong.
>>>>
>>>>Connie Canode
>>>>At 06:09 PM 6/17/2009, you wrote:
>>>>>Hello Jeff. Yes, we only discuss this kind of thing when you are at 
>>>>>work, because we know under your supervision it would never be 
>>>>>tolerated. Let me point out, if I may, that not all blind people 
>>>>>are diabetics, that not all blind people stub their toes when they 
>>>>>go barefooted in the familiar surroundings of their home, and that 
>>>>>some of us do find that the ability to feel with our feet is of 
>>>>>tremendous importance when doing things such as vacuuming, mopping, 
>>>>>and, incidentally, looking for dropped change. It is not as simple 
>>>>>as saying that anyone with brains wears shoes, and anyone who is 
>>>>>blind is necessarily stupid if they don't. Get a grip!
>>>>>
>>>>>Gary
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Schwartz"
>>>>><sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:15 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Is this the kind of crap you folks discuss when I'm at work.  I 
>>>>>>would say yes, if you happen to be blind and stupid.  In the house 
>>>>>>there is the
>>>>>>problem of toe stubbing, etc.    Outside, who knows what kind of
>>>>>>disgusting
>>>>>>or dangerous thing you can step on or into.  At the beech, along 
>>>>>>the water line is nice.  Then there is the high correlation  
>>>>>>between diabetes and blindness from diabetic retinopathy.  People 
>>>>>>with diabetes have neuropathy.
>>>>>>They lose the feelings in their extremities, like feet.  Also they 
>>>>>>don't heal well.  I had a patient who, in his home, barefoot, he 
>>>>>>stepped on a nail.  It was in his foot and became infected after  
>>>>>>a week or so.  As a consequence he lost his leg.  That must have 
>>>>>>given him a feeling of freedom.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>>>>>[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>On
>>>>>>Behalf Of Ron Poire
>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:38 PM
>>>>>>To: Ray Foret jr; Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>>I like going barefoot in my own home.
>>>>>>I never thought about mopping the floor or vacuuming barefoot.  I 
>>>>>>would be afraid of stubbing my toe on something, which would ruin 
>>>>>>the whole pleasurable experience.
>>>>>>I would definitely not go barefoot in a public place, because of 
>>>>>>diseases and toe stubbing.  Not to mention national convention, 
>>>>>>where one's feet are quite vulnerable to people's canes and 
>>>>>>sniffing dogs.
>>>>>>It's a great comic discussion, on a par with walking barefoot in 
>>>>>>the woods.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ron Poire
>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret jr"
>>>>>><rforetjr at comcast.net>
>>>>>>To: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>>>>><blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:19 AM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Especially when the floors are all completely smooth tile, as 
>>>>>>>they are in my new place.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>>>>The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Old friend, what are you looking for?  After those many years 
>>>>>>>abroad you come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far 
>>>>>>>away from your own land"
>>>>>>>George Seferis
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Phone or Fax::
>>>>>>>+1 (985) 360-3614
>>>>>>>Cell:
>>>>>>>+1 (985) 791-2938
>>>>>>>e-mail:
>>>>>>>rforetjratcomcastdotnet
>>>>>>>Skype Name:
>>>>>>>barefootedray
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Wunder"
>>>>>>><gwunder at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:43 AM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Vacuuming and mopping are much easier because it is easy for one 
>>>>>>>to see his/her work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen Millhoff"
>>>>>>><kmillhoff at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>To: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>>>>>><blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:31 AM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi, you could have Robert make a TP out of this; and, yes, you 
>>>>>>>>haven't asked this question for quite some time. I would bet 
>>>>>>>>that the additional tactile and vestibular info offered by bare 
>>>>>>>>feet is valuable to blind people. to say nothing of the fact 
>>>>>>>>that shoes carry some pretty yucky stuff into the house. You 
>>>>>>>>should move to the islands where people wear shoes when 
>>>>>>>>necessary, but mostly are barefoot inside and wearing zoris 
>>>>>>>>(what you guys call flip-flops) outside. (some folks also call 
>>>>>>>>them slippers, but they're not the bedroom slipper kind).
>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>seldom find shoes that work well for me, and this includes 
>>>>>>>>Berkies and the rest.
>>>>>>>>also, it's always summer here I'm glad to say.
>>>>>>>>best,
>>>>>>>>kat
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 6/17/09, Ray Foret jr <rforetjr at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>With summer practically upon us?  I just thought I'd  throw 
>>>>>>>>>this out there.
>>>>>>>>>Should blind people go barefoot; either inside or outside?  
>>>>>>>>>It's been a couple or three years since somebody else broached 
>>>>>>>>>the subject; and so, I just thought I'd get the general 
>>>>>>>>>opinions out there.  Can it be tied in to blindness in any way?  
>>>>>>>>>IF so, why?  IF not, why?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Ray
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>morrow richer than its yesterday."
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